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Latest official Japanese Tier list from Arcadia

 

S

Cammy, Fei Long, Seth, Adon

A

Ryu, Vega (Claw), Sagat, C. Viper, Rufus, Ibuki, Makoto, Juri

B

Ken, E. Honda, Zangief, Guile, Dhalsim, Balrog (Boxer), M. Bison (Dictator), Abel, Akuma, Sakura, Rose, Gen, Dee Jay, Dudley, Cody, Guy, Yun, Yang, Evil Ryu, Oni

C

Chun-Li, Blanka, El Fuerte, Gouken

D

Hakan, Dan

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^^ You have no idea how stupid good cammy is now then.... That buff to her dive kick hitbox was stupid as f**k ....If you look at all other dive kicks they have weak hitboxes and hence lose to simple and quick normals (LPs,Cr.MPs)....

But not cammys , she can literally jump in on you for free .... and u need to guess if shes gonna dive kick or not ....

 

and notice another weakness of dive kick characters?Even though their dive kick might cross up .... they always have bad crossup normals... but not cammy .... fuk that J.LK ...

 

And most of the japanese AE Yun players have switched to Cammy or Seth ...

 

 

Fei long is still solid good , but hes no longer EZ mode for scrubs who used to abuse LP rekkas.... The list seems pretty accurate except idk what put Vega so high ... and Sakura should be in A tier as well...

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^^ You have no idea how stupid good cammy is now then.... That buff to her dive kick hitbox was stupid as f**k ....If you look at all other dive kicks they have weak hitboxes and hence lose to simple and quick normals (LPs,Cr.MPs)....

But not cammys , she can literally jump in on you for free .... and u need to guess if shes gonna dive kick or not ....

 

and notice another weakness of dive kick characters?Even though their dive kick might cross up .... they always have bad crossup normals... but not cammy .... fuk that J.LK ...

 

And most of the japanese AE Yun players have switched to Cammy or Seth ...

 

 

Fei long is still solid good , but hes no longer EZ mode for scrubs who used to abuse LP rekkas.... The list seems pretty accurate except idk what put Vega so high ... and Sakura should be in A tier as well...

 

hear me out on this. cammy is unlike any other character because shes never had a proper blockstring combo special ender. In sf4 and vanilla ssf4, her lack of a proper string ender on block was compensated by giving her a TKCS and mediocre pokes, so in essence she was an overly offensive character who cannot have a dull moment once in range, she needs to keep working on blowing up crouch techs with her TKCS and mediocre pokes to get that knockdown. so given her fragile health condition, yomi and execution(especially using tkcs to blow up your opponent every single time even in pressure situations) was a huge part of using her successfully in matches.

what most of the theory fighting idiots dont realize is that in yun edition, she lost her TKCS and practically couldnt use ANY special move at all on a crouch blocking opponent to chip and create pressure, all she was compensated with was better normals to blow up techs, score a touchdown and start her mixup game(which is very very difficult to keep doing in ground games). most people dont realize that this was her greatest weakness and after a cammy player opened my eyes about this issue a couple of months back, my perspective of player her completely changed. when she gets in on me, shes going to keep using her normals repeatedly till she scores a hit, this is a 50/50 situation for both her and her opponent. play with this mindset and facing her becomes that much more easier.

 

cammy players completely struggle against people who can tech throws properly, which is the reason why kindevu struggled at topanga, the only time he got any sort of momentum going on was when he managed to score a knockdown.

so yeah, to sum it up, although she looks very good in theory, shes got a glaring flaw that most people dont realize which makes her one of the toughest character to win with consistently against strong players. a better hitbox on her tk is barely a change, even if you didnt have the time to focus it, you can be sure that on block she cannot be like rufus and auto pilot with repeated low dive kicks and specials.

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looking at the way things are right now, the only character who MIGHT be S tier is seth, but unfortunately i couldnt have fought more than 10 matches against seth in my entire sf4 lifespan and thus im in no position to comment on the matchup.

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If TKCS is meant to blow up crouch techs.... why the fuk does it cross up randomly ... thats the annoying bit .... I prefer SSF4 Cammy , the hitbox on the new AE CS is ridiculous dude so many normals lose to it ..... And lets not even go to EX TK CS

 

As for FA , it works most of the time but if she does cross up ur FA will whiff or ull dash in the wrong direction ...

 

Overall look at in in a risk vs reward situation .... her damage output off a CS is huge ... and what exactly is the risk for using an EX TK CS? thats right NOTHING .... And to top all this she has the best AA DP in game what is the reasoning behind that?

 

She might not be S-tier but shes damn well A+ or in the highest tier....most japanese players put her there...as for kindevu losing , Its not just the oppoents teching great they could also be reading him better..

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