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[Nemo]

Sphere of influence, For those who are interested-

 

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere_of_influence

[Right]

As far as I could understand Ukraine doesn't want to enter EU. But a large group of civilians, who may be influenced, do.

 

I Know a lot of people from Ramania on personal and professional level and all of them oppose the concept of EU. According to them it doesn't work very well in eastern European countries which are not so well to do.

[Nemo]

As far as I could understand Ukraine doesn't want to enter EU. But a large group of civilians, who may be influenced, do.

 

I Know a lot of people from Ramania on personal and professional level and all of them oppose the concept of EU. According to them it doesn't work very well in eastern European countries which are not so well to do.

 

A majority of Ukraine wanted/s to join EU. Russia/putin don't want them to, as... well..... Obviously they dont

 

So what happened last year, in December-ish, is that the (then) president of Ukraine agreed in principle to join EU. The EU delegates came to kiev to complete the formalities, but at the last moment (allegedly-- nudge nudge wink wink) Putin did his magic behind the scenes and the Ukraine president backed off from joining.

 

This then culminated in mass violent protest that the media has well covered. The president is now on run and hiding in russia and his opposition leader, who was in jail for past 2 yrs has been freed and has declared herself the president.

 

 

Now i don't know if it's in interest of Ukraine to join EU or not, i mean sure i am always in favour of an EU type integrated community but people in Ukraine would know better. And yes, a sizeable majority of them want to join EU, ergo the protests at such a large scale. EU would give them better economy and freedom from Russian dependence. But then again, EU has a history of tight control.

 

I also have had a personal contact in Romania (brofist?) and what i have been told is along the same lines as you, that it's not easy for an eastern Europe nation to work on the EU model, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's totally bad for them. I did get a feeling of resentment from the person whenever i had talked about Germany or other big EU nations though.

 

 

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[ALPHA17]

As far as I could understand Ukraine doesn't want to enter EU. But a large group of civilians, who may be influenced, do.

 

They don't want to be back under the Russian yoke either.

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Well all this sh*t started post 08 sub prime crisis, when the financial markets fell flat & the fallout engulfed the banking sector, USA is a 16 Trillion economy and a very fragile one at that, recession can be managed but depression is a different ball game altogether, so no sooner the 'Think-Tanks' of US started working on the fallout that was inevitable not if but when the sphere of influence of US decreased.

 

This is when all the behind the scenes work started of upsetting dictatorships across the world, foreign funding has been instrumental in pushing the main opposition to destabilize emerging markets along with Oil & Gas producing nations. It was untenable for US to continue it's military adventures in middle east but to balance that with maintaining it's sphere of influence was a tight rope walk which needed out of box thinking, role of NGO's in all these revolutions is a common feature including the recent Ukraine episode. This same stunt was also tried in India with the Anda Hazaare movement, RSS pitched in but later withdrew & Kejriwal has now formed his own party. Even BJP has from time to time raised this question of foreign funding but alas the Indian voter is as dumb as it gets in matter of political science, so they haven't focussed on this too much for the cost-benefit is very skewed in matter which require too much elaboration & seldom resonate with the masses & they have rather stuck to their emotional trajectories.

 

It is not a coincidence that in all of the revolution since 2011, it's the right wing forces that have been inflated with resources & funds so as to counterpose the centrist & left wings. This same pattern has been repeated in almost all nations including Tunisia, Egypt, Syria etc. and the latest victim in this overthrow of legitimate but ineffectual regimes is Ukraine, but the problem with Ukraine is that Russia has some very high stakes in that country both from economic POV & security POV & shares not only it's borders but has demographic linkages as well.

 

Even then ethnicity is just a pretext & what Putin is doing is telling United States of Assholes their actual "Aukaat" standing in the world, this was a long time coming. Crimea episode is now effectively over and done with, it's never going to go back to Ukraine that much is very obvious no matter how much USA or the rest of the world cries.

 

What Putin is looking is to divide Ukraine into East & West Ukraine, there is a natural water body as well which divided the two parts of Ukraine, & now what one has to see is whether or not Putin will be able to get his way & effectively reduce Ukraine to 1/2 of what it used to be.

[Modgill]

Well all this sh*t started post 08 sub prime crisis, when the financial markets fell flat & the fallout engulfed the banking sector, USA is a 16 Trillion economy and a very fragile one at that, recession can be managed but depression is a different ball game altogether, so no sooner the 'Think-Tanks' of US started working on the fallout that was inevitable not if but when the sphere of influence of US decreased.

 

This is when all the behind the scenes work started of upsetting dictatorships across the world, foreign funding has been instrumental in pushing the main opposition to destabilize emerging markets along with Oil & Gas producing nations. It was untenable for US to continue it's military adventures in middle east but to balance that with maintaining it's sphere of influence was a tight rope walk which needed out of box thinking, role of NGO's in all these revolutions is a common feature including the recent Ukraine episode. This same stunt was also tried in India with the Anda Hazaare movement, RSS pitched in but later withdrew & Kejriwal has now formed his own party. Even BJP has from time to time raised this question of foreign funding but alas the Indian voter is as dumb as it gets in matter of political science, so they haven't focussed on this too much for the cost-benefit is very skewed in matter which require too much elaboration & seldom resonate with the masses & they have rather stuck to their emotional trajectories.

 

It is not a coincidence that in all of the revolution since 2011, it's the right wing forces that have been inflated with resources & funds so as to counterpose the centrist & left wings. This same pattern has been repeated in almost all nations including Tunisia, Egypt, Syria etc. and the latest victim in this overthrow of legitimate but ineffectual regimes is Ukraine, but the problem with Ukraine is that Russia has some very high stakes in that country both from economic POV & security POV & shares not only it's borders but has demographic linkages as well.

 

Even then ethnicity is just a pretext & what Putin is doing is telling United States of Assholes their actual "Aukaat" standing in the world, this was a long time coming. Crimea episode is now effectively over and done with, it's never going to go back to Ukraine that much is very obvious no matter how much USA or the rest of the world cries.

 

What Putin is looking is to divide Ukraine into East & West Ukraine, there is a natural water body as well which divided the two parts of Ukraine, & now what one has to see is whether or not Putin will be able to get his way & effectively reduce Ukraine to 1/2 of what it used to be.

 

Very in depth analysis here. I usually talk regarding plight of Indian Economy and much of it is collaborated by our government in accordance with foreign nations.

 

The so called Anna Hazare revolution was obviously fuelled by Foreign Money and even Kejriwal AAP stunt is being fuelled OPENLY & LEGALLY by legal donations on its website. A lot of the funds AAP is getting are coming straight from abroad under phony or fictitious accounts. Someone in Indian politics mentioned that Kejriwal is a CIA agent. I wont be surprised if he actually is one.

 

USA's main aim is to destabilise the world, and the prime reason is USA's fiscal deficit of 17 Trillion Dollars and Total Liability outstanding (including futures and bond trade) at a staggering 76 Trillion dollars.

 

What they want to do is destabilise the world, throw the world into world war and chaos, wipe most of that debt out of the equation using WAR Economy. Just like the same sh*t happened during world war 2. The "GREAT DEPRESSION of 1930s" led to world war 2. and at the time it wasn't called great depression but a recession. Something which is used very commonly now.

 

Turkey , Ukraine etc is just a front of Europe, they will destabilise Europe and then the war will come at home in USA. World is getting for a global revolution / civil-wars and ultimately a global conflict. And there will be a great transfer of wealth globally.

 

Stay safe, just in case. Have small and frugal contingency plans ready if may be.

 

peace

[godspeed4476]

Kejri.....tu kitna bada Chu hai re......

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

USA's main aim is to destabilise the world, and the prime reason is USA's fiscal deficit of 17 Trillion Dollars and Total Liability outstanding (including futures and bond trade) at a staggering 76 Trillion dollars.

 

 

I think you meant debt, fiscal deficit is different than debt, China recently pushed it's defence budget with the biggest hike ever of 12.2%, this is all a facade for it's already ailing Balance sheet which is getting worse by the day, they tried to manage the economic fallout of 08 with huge credit & now this has become a PITA for them, India is the only country which took the right steps (cut subsidies, devalue untenable currency to aid exports) & managed to control it's CAD & Fiscal deficit which according to the latest figures is now most likely to be below 2.5% &4.6% respectively.

 

 

China's ailing economy --> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304554004579420721484454390

On US debt --> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/18/us-debt-jumps-400-billion-tops-17-trillion-first-t/

 

Either ways I think World war won't be happening but realignment of world powers from a uni polar world order to a multi polar world order is already happening and Ukraine is just the tip of the iceberg, lot of churning is going on between world powers & once all this destabilizing coup's are over & done with & once the dust finally sets in, then the real game will begin. India, China, Russia & Japan being the counter to western sphere of influence & US knows it all too well. That Devyani Khobragade's episode was also one such episode wherein US was trying to test & at the same time teach India a lesson for arm-twisting western powers at WTO. With a demographic dividend as it is in India plus many other factors combined will see India surpassing China in the next 20 years, hell population of UP alone is more than all of Europe countries combined (that is just one stat for comparison) LOL !! Like RG said it is friggin beehive bustling with energy yet cohesive & coordinated compared to none & it has the sting which can even paralyze enemies infinite times bigger than it (WTO last year was an example of that 'sting' where all western powers combined could not get their way & India was the sole opposition to their capitalist imperialistic Trade agreement that they were trying to bring in & in the end India got it's way)

 

Coming back to the changing world order, one can easily understand the reorganization as it is synonymous with the post Mandal fallout that India witnessed during late 80's & early 90's (many such coup's happened within regional parties which resulted in the anti-defection law) after the dust settled many SC/ST & OBC leaders emerged on the National political scene (they were already there at regional level but none with clout to call themselves national level leaders), today you have the likes of Mayawati, lalu Yadav, Nitish Kumar, Narendra Modi, Shivraj Singh Chahuhan, jayalalitha, mamta banerjee, Naveen patnaik, Sukhbir badal & the list goes on, but the Mandal time in itself was a huge churning period & everything seemed chaotic & for many it was as if the world is all coming down.

 

So, no i don't agree with the view that World war is coming, but realignment of world powers with emergence of socialist, centrist countries on the global scene who will dictate the terms to capitalists of the world is definitely in order (just like it is happening with BJP, BJP was always touted as Baaniya/Brahman party it always had clear capitalist leanings, & most of that is reflected in it's supporters as well, but realignment of political powers post mandal has forced them to come to terms with the reality & now Narendra Modi an OBC is being touted as the next PM candidate from their side). Expect the same to happen on global scale in the next 20 years, with Russia leading the pack till such time as China first closely followed by India will emerge as the alternative to Russia & as a viable counter to capitalist Western powers. These 3 will isolate US & Europe will be caught in the middle (Beech kaa Bandar aka Congress) trying to balance both sides, just like EU is trying to do in the Ukraine episode, it can't afford to break ties with Russia nor can it see itself going against US, this is the exact role Congress has been playing for the last 20 or so years, BJP only got their head around it after the defeat they got in 99 where they lost by just 1 frigging vote, till then they were living in their own cocoon of being the REAL, GOD ORDAINED rulers of India courtesy ideology of 'Brahmanwaad'. This is when they realized Ram had to be abandoned cos India is no more an overtly Hindu society(Uni polar) but every section has it's own set of values which are in either opposition to the so-called 'Brahmanical' value system or don't conform itself to that fold anymore and these breakaway groups will never again be consolidated under the flag of Hindutva anymore(Multi-polar world order), US will also have to come to terms that it is not the 'Mai-Baap' of the people of the world and Russia is just teaching US what it's real 'aukaat' is in the world.

 

Another drubbing by Russia to US & EU, in the series of drubbings to come in the near future. Hell they are just T-bagging US now LOL (reminds me of the BJP-BSP tie-up for assembly elections of UP in 1991 , Russia & US tied up to solve Syria even though they are ideologically miles apart, 'an unholy coalition' is what it is called in Political Science & now US getting T-bagged just like it happened with BJP in UP post 1991) The similarities are just astounding, but then i guess power game is much or less a constant world over !!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140307

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-latest-russia-defiant-in-face-of-western-sanction-threats-9177607.html

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/07/ukraine-crisis-lavrov-kerry-idINL6N0M43IJ20140307

Furthering Western frustration, a delegation of unarmed military observers from the pan-European Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe was blocked from entering Crimea for a second day in a row today.

“Russia will not accept the language of sanctions and threats,” the Russian foreign ministry said

In a phone conversation with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov "warned against hasty and reckless steps capable of causing harm to Russian-American relations, particularly ... sanctions, which would inevitably hit the United States like a boomerang", the Foreign Ministry said.

[playstation]

 

 

Ok, as legit student of political studies and in particular IR, in higher education, lemme tell you something-

 

There is an old theory in international relations branch of political studies. It is called "sphere of influence". It's a spatial concept. All great powers claim sphere of influence on their periphery, where they seek to limit the role of rival powers and prevent internal developments in their neighbourhood that threaten their interest.

 

Russia calles its sphere of influence in Eurasia as 'near abroad'.

 

 

Since time many a great powers of their era has exercised their influence over their immediate neighbours. Usa has Monroe Doctrine in Latin America since 19th century (read about it), Britain has gone as far as Falkland Islands to "protect the interest of people", not to mention their movements in africa even after ww2. India too has had a history of nosing in in internal affairs of other countries (remember IPKF in lanka?). What's more, haven't you seen usa's liberal dispensing of "democracy" in a number of countries in the past 30 yrs? Places as far as middle east? By essentially bombing the sh*t out of them? Russia still has more than a theoretical reason for being concerned about situation in Ukraine as not only does it share a big border and Ukraine has a lot of ethnic russians; about 50% of russia's gas pipe lines to Europe pass through Ukraine. Obviously russia would want to limit western influence on that nation as much as it can.

 

 

Legal and moral arguments are always interesting but they seldom dictate the evolution of any crisis in IR. What really matters is the structure, composition and change of power structure with in and around the crisis zone. We are now seeing a clear REVERSAL of stand of American (and European) vis-a-vis Russian positions on sovereignty and need/justification for intervention.

 

The champions of liberal imperialism in usa and europe never tire of considering territorial demarcations as overrated and claim it to be their "responsibility" to protect the right of minorities or civilian population in places around the world. And now they are losing their collective sh*t over accepting the Russian justification on securing the rights of minorities in Ukraine.

 

It's all about power and your ability and desire regarding that, at the end. And yes, it's quite interesting to see Putin asserting Moscow's dominance in its near abroad. America has been calling shots for far too long.

 

Moreover the situation in very similar to Russian intervention in the former Soviet nation of Georgia in 08.

 

 

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Where was all this talk when i had asked for India's intervention during Sri Lankan- Ltte war (atleast on some level )...at that time you all were giving moral talks and how india should avoid intervening other countries but when russia does it toh...its all sphere of influence.Today What is left of India's "sphere of influence" ??No Influence left even on our immediate neighbours ...Nepal ...Bangladesh....Sri Lanka....Bhutan.

 

Like Few points discussed by Saint and Modgill....World power is shifting ....It is no longer America that will be exerting power on the entire and This is the time for India to rise and take its fair share as Global Power and that would require some muscle flexing from India too to be practical.

[Nemo]

 

Where was all this talk when i had asked for India's intervention during Sri Lankan- Ltte war (atleast on some level )...at that time you all were giving moral talks and how india should avoid intervening other countries but when russia does it toh...its all sphere of influence.Today What is left of India's "sphere of influence" ??No Influence left even on our immediate neighbours ...Nepal ...Bangladesh....Sri Lanka....Bhutan.

 

 

 

 

Read again what i said. Did i, at any point say that Russia has a moral right to do what it is doing ? I am least bothered about what happens to and in russia. The developments do not affect me in any sense. I can easily keep emotions away from discussions, perhaps you should do it too.

 

I mentioned that What russia was doing is in no way new or different. Many countries have tried it in the past, to swing their massive dicks around and beat small countries with it. So you or KC chastising them for that while praising similar actions elsewhere is odd.

 

India's endeavors in Lanka and ipkf's result is for all to see. I will tell you the same thing what my teacher once told to an overzealous "poora kashmir humara hai, akhand bharat !! zomfg !!!" types student in the class- "Le sakte ho toh le lo".

 

If india can influence other countries and survive a stare down with US, the way Russia has been gloriously able to do, then sure, try it. But, as the old saying goes- "chaddar dekh ke pair fayilane chahiye". Remember the country of Georgia in 2008 ? Read what happened there.

[Senator]

Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane flying to Beijing.

[playstation]

 

 

 

Read again what i said. Did i, at any point say that Russia has a moral right to do what it is doing ? I am least bothered about what happens to and in russia. The developments do not affect me in any sense. I can easily keep emotions away from discussions, perhaps you should do it too.

 

I mentioned that What russia was doing is in no way new or different. Many countries have tried it in the past, to swing their massive dicks around and beat small countries with it. So you or KC chastising them for that while praising similar actions elsewhere is odd.

 

India's endeavors in Lanka and ipkf's result is for all to see. I will tell you the same thing what my teacher once told to an overzealous "poora kashmir humara hai, akhand bharat !! zomfg !!!" types student in the class- "Le sakte ho toh le lo".

 

If india can influence other countries and survive a stare down with US, the way Russia has been gloriously able to do, then sure, try it. But, as the old saying goes- "chaddar dekh ke pair fayilane chahiye". Remember the country of Georgia in 2008 ? Read what happened there.

 

The question is not russia here...it is India we are talking about.

 

Look at where we stand today...

 

Pak, Bangladesh set to buy submarines from China amid sub crisis in India

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/pak-bangladesh-set-to-buy-submarines-from-china-amid-sub-crisis-16334.html

 

 

Sri Lanka’s Growing Links with China

http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/sri-lankas-growing-links-with-china/

 

Why China's influence on Nepal worries India

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22365488

 

 

[playstation]

 

 

sala....hajam kar payega??

[ALPHA17]

Look at where we stand today...

 

Are you saying we should start selling our military hardware to other countries, even after knowing that the PSU defence establishments cannot even meet national demand.

 

Pakistan has been purchasing Chinese equipment for years, the same reason why we bought mostly Russian hardware till now, because of the attractive terms being offered to them by China which cannot be matched by any other country. Same with Bangladesh, they cannot keep using the hardware we bequeathed them on their independence.

 

Sri Lanka has a definite reason to hold a grudge against us, considering the Indian intelligence services armed, stoked and funded the initial embers that were to crystallise into LTTE.

 

By the way, another piece of news,

Navy Type 701 suffers malfunction: THE HINDU

Nine days after a submarine accident triggered the resignation of Navy Chief Admiral D.K. Joshi, a naval officer was killed in a gas leak on board INS Kolkata, officially known as Yard 701, while undergoing delivery trials at the Mazagon Dock.

 

sala....hajam kar payega??

 

Yes, will take three-four weeks.

[dylanjosh]

Sad

[playstation]

Malayasian Flight missing

Possibly crashed in Chinese sea

 

Carrying 237 + 13 humans

yaar ek plane aaj ke technology meion asa kaisa gayab ho jata hai...no one is still able to say what has happen like if it has crashed in south china sea or where is it..

 

GPS..Radios...atleast pilots would have send some message before crash...

[Sa1nT_SoLd1eR]

Crimea is over and done with, now the main battle is for Eastern Ukraine !!

 

http://rt.com/news/popular-uprising-eastern-ukraine-314/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/world/europe/ukrainian-officials-in-east-move-to-blunt-pro-russia-forces.html?_r=0

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21598744-having-occupied-crimea-russia-stirring-up-trouble-eastern-ukraine-end

[playstation]

 

Are you saying we should start selling our military hardware to other countries, even after knowing that the PSU defence establishments cannot even meet national demand.

 

Pakistan has been purchasing Chinese equipment for years, the same reason why we bought mostly Russian hardware till now, because of the attractive terms being offered to them by China which cannot be matched by any other country. Same with Bangladesh, they cannot keep using the hardware we bequeathed them on their independence.

 

Sri Lanka has a definite reason to hold a grudge against us, considering the Indian intelligence services armed, stoked and funded the initial embers that were to crystallise into LTTE.

 

I did not mean weapons supplier..but our neighbours our looking for funds and support in lto fo areas from china only...look hpw chinese company took that marituis airort infrastructure project from Indian company..

By the way, another piece of news,

Navy Type 701 suffers malfunction: THE HINDU

 

 

Yes, will take three-four weeks.

I dont think it will be able to move till then.

[playstation]

Machine is machine

& made of gazillion different parts

 

Even if one of those part goes buzzerk,it has a potential of bringing others down

 

So there is always a chance one in a million that you may die while flying

Keep that in mind while boarding a flight next time

sala darr reha hai...asahi flight mein kabhi chara nahi hai hum...

[playstation]

Did India treat “Ceylon” as a Plantation Colony before China war: Not as a Frontline neighbour?

http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2014/03/10/did-india-treat-ceylon-as-a-plantation-colony-before-china-war-not-as-a-frontline-neighbour/

 

 

 

Very interesting read.

 

Sala Nehru ka foreign policies itna gandha tha yaaar...he let his ego and pride come in between Country's self interest.