Shenmue III

[GeraltOfRivia]

i know meaning of delusionists

I was agreeing with you

ok.. my bad

 

 

 

Yup , Its hilarious what some people think and will say.

 

Yu Suzuki

 

The man behind all classic 80s arcade games

 

Outrun

Hang-On

Afterburner

 

The first 3D game on Arcade and Console

Virtua Racing

 

Virtua Cop

Virtua Fighter

Daytona USA

 

And then the first Open World game

Shenmue

 

He pushed 3D so much and convinced Sega to spend millions on 3D development.

 

Ultimately this is what inspired Playstation to go with 3D instead of 2D as well.

f it wasn't for Virtua Fighter, the PlayStation probably would have had a completely different hardware concept," said former Sony Computer Entertainment producer Ryoji Akaga

 

And Xbox wouldn't have existed without Playstation. If it wasnt for him you would still be playing NES with Nintendo trying to nickel and dime every last penny with their underpowered BS.

 

 

 

THIS MAN ladies and gentleman has been reduced to a common con-artist by some people

 

 

Sega must be demanding their lost money back. Yu Suzuki has no other option but to scam people on Kickstarter

 

The best part of the story is that people saying that they are trying to get some quick bucks from fans through kickstarter backing. Its a billion dollar company, surely the managers over there, who BTW get paid as much as this KS backing amount in an year, can come up with better straties than that.

 

This is the second best story I've seen in forums. First goes to gaf goons who spred rumors that Corrine yu got fired from MS and got job in ND solely trough connections. Nothing can top that

 

World is full of Sherlock Holmes

[Snake]

 

Adam clearly says it is very much their (YsNet) game and they want to announce it on Sony's stage. So what these people are saying is that Sony is stealing 2-3 million that the KS has collected???

[PhantomShade]

Do some people get khujli when they see an age old dead franchise getting a sequel that fans' yearned for?

This concern trolling needs to stop.The guy here worried about Sony & Yu "scamming" gamers would never play this game if its released anyway,and neither has played previous games,Toh itna "concern" kyu gamers ke "wellbeing" ka Faltu mai aag lagane aate he saale idhar.Then there are folks like Shado who dont know when to Ignore the bait or stop feeding trolls

Troll ko publicity nahi milegi toh bhaagega thread se

[Snake]

Do some people get khujli when they see an age old dead franchise getting a sequel that fans' yearned for?

This concern trolling needs to stop.The guy here worried about Sony & Yu "scamming" gamers would never play this game if its released anyway,and neither has played previous games,Toh itna "concern" kyu gamers ke "wellbeing" ka Faltu mai aag lagane aate he saale idhar.Then there are folks like Shado who dont know when to Ignore the bait or stop feeding trolls

Troll ko publicity nahi milegi toh bhaagega thread se

 

The khujli is only because its not on their system and others are just sh*t-posting. Stop feeding the trolls.

[KyoyaHibari]

World is full of Sherlock Holmes

 

True that

[CarbonCore]

Shado going full Hayabusa is fun to watch

 

Go in Street Fighter thread and cry about the dlc and watch him go Devil Trigger on your a*s

[Shadoken]

 

Don't forget Oculus Rift, the grand dandy of all KS scams

 

With the kind of negative publicity this Sony deal is giving shenmue , youd think the oculus rift scam would have appeared on national television

 

Shado going full Hayabusa is fun to watch

 

Go in Street Fighter thread and cry about the dlc and watch him go Devil Trigger on your a*s

 

I need to prepare for this dont I ?

Edited June 26, 2015 by Shadoken

[KyoyaHibari]

In case anyone didnt know there is a movie version for the first game. Might be a great source to get to know story for the impatient - looks at Ank

 

 

Havent watched it as I plan to play myself sometime, but trough wiki info the movie seems to cover story thoroughly.

[Shadoken]

 

 

So $30 certainly doesn't pinch me.....but is ultra satisfying to throw some grains of salt by my own hands

 

This... Pre-ordering $60 AAA games that are many times broken at launch , nobody says anything.

 

Fund Shenmue 3 for $30 and get a digital copy?

 

"OMG LOL YOU GUYS ARE STUPID FOR BACKING THIS"

"SCAM OF THE CENTURY"

 

 

Srsly what? How can people even defend their logic.

[PhantomShade]

 

This... Pre-ordering $60 AAA games that are many times broken at launch , nobody says anything.

 

Fund Shenmue 3 for $30 and get a digital copy?

 

"OMG LOL YOU GUYS ARE STUPID FOR BACKING THIS"

"SCAM OF THE CENTURY"

 

 

Srsly what? How can people even defend their logic.

because trolls get some sick pleasure seeing you trying to argue with their bullshit

[KnackChap]

Oh and $10M isn't close to the cost of this game's Devpt. i feel its like $50 mn or so,considering SM2 was 42M This is an Open world action game with seemingly RPG elements and Japanese folks create Game Engine's and all tools in-house which costs lots moneys also ofc SEGA wants $$$$$ for giving ShenMue IP.Itna sab $10m me nahi hoega

 

 

it's doable. for starters game development in japan is cheaper compared to western devs. and regrding the budget it was 47 acc to yu and 70 acc to sega. now the point is the 47 mill budget was the cost of the cancelled saturn games and the dreamcast games. since people seem to throw out the numbers randomly without much context ill try to explain in an easier manner.

 

say game developer is making a huge cutting edge AAA game. they make a state of the art bleeding edge engine unlike anything out there which is doing stuff that shouldn't be possible on more powerful consoles. make content worth 2 games before the console they're working on gets discontinued. now they move on to the next gen console and make another new engine, redo all the assests and other stuff and release 2 games with the 3 title partially completed before it gets cancelled. this is where that 47 million went. the engine is never used again and the publisher sets unreal expectations for the game like selling 2 copy per console.

 

yu suzuki is a fkin legend in video game history, he used to work his magic on the master race systems of that time (arcade machines) across a number of genres. what other developer can boast of having made games in varying genres like arcade racer, sim racer, sports games, action games, rpg, vs fighter, flight games etc etc

[Shadoken]

Yea KC is right , 70m budget was including Marketing budget. Dev budget was 47m , Cancelled Saturn project must have costed bomba and Engine development must have costed bomba and AI development costed another bomba.

 

Now given game is running on UE4

+ Sony handling marketing

+ Open world games are now a dime a dozen ( its not like time of GTA3 when there were just 1 or 2 open world games) . Game programmers now have more experience in Open world games. More APIs and many AI tools as well all reduce the budget significantly.

 

10m is good for a Shenmue 1 level game in our age. Game development in general is simpler now compared to back then.

Nobody wants Shenmue 3 to be some revolutionary title like Shenmue 1 and 2. Just a sequel that can live up to the name in terms of Story and Gameplay and finish the fking story.

 

Edit - I also read that Yu cut no corners with the budget. For work that was outsourced to other companies like VA work..etc. He wanted everything done in Japan so that he could personally QA every aspect of the game. So they had to be flown over and worked in Japan ( with an obviously higher pay , because of the move). He wont be so spend happy this time though

Edited June 26, 2015 by Shadoken

[KnackChap]

 

This is the second best story I've seen in forums. First goes to gaf goons who spred rumors that Corrine yu got fired from MS and got job in ND solely trough connections. Nothing can top that

the follow up to this is where things get real interesting. soon after she joined ND some guy claiming to be a nd employee was posting on gaf that how she's incompetent as f**k and is falling well their (ND) expectations. he also said that something like she wont be able to last long here and will be eventually fired within months. few months later, corrine yu is now a part of amazon.

[Shadoken]

Now before someone starts crying about Sony and spins this into some BS conspiracy again. This is awesome.

 

 

Preview of the upcoming Shenmue print. This first Shenmue print is made by John Sweeney - Lead concept artist on The Last of Us and Uncharted 4 - who took a super cinematic approach. He is also a massive Shenmue fan , We hope to release the print for purchase early next week as we want part of the proceeds to go to the Shenmue Kickstarter.

 

Looks like even the big wigs at ND love Shenmue

Edited June 26, 2015 by Shadoken

[Shadoken]

Holy sh*t I never actually knew this until now. Was posted on GAF.

 

Cancelled Project Shenmue Online costed SEGA $25m.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2004/08/03/shenmue-goes-online

 

 

SEGA you dunderheads. What a waste.

Edited June 26, 2015 by Shadoken

[Shadoken]

http://www.twitch.tv/shenmue3official

 

 

Twitch stream with Yu Suzuki starting in 2 hours.

[CarbonCore]

 

 

With the kind of negative publicity this Sony deal is giving shenmue , youd think the oculus rift scam would have appeared on national television

 

The only people that were upset about the deal were people who pledged their money and the Minecraft developer Notch. The rest of the media was telling them to suck it up and move on while praising OR for grabbing that deal.

[KnackChap]

the new reward tiers are all gone within hours.

[KnackChap]

ryo's current model

 

 

where the money from KS is going.

 

[KnackChap]

Q & A from the twitch stream. via gaf

 

 

"We have lots of very important things to get to so let's start right away!"

*They all pause to drink some Fanta*

Q: "One more time, explain Sony's role in Shenmue 3."

A: "Sony's providing us comprehensive support in terms of publishing and marketing, as well as funding of the project partially."

*Stream goes down due to technical issues*

Q: Once again they ask about Sony's role

A:"Sony is providing us comprehensive support in marketing, promotion, and funding. They are one of the most important partners of this project. But as we said before in our statement ... they are not receiving one cent from the Kickstarter... the funds collected in the KIckstarter project will be all used for development except for the fees used for the Kickstarter and for providing the Kickstarter rewards. Not a single cent will go to Sony from the Kickstarter funds."

Q: PS4 physical reward ?

A: "It's one of the most requested rewards and I personally want to prepare for it as a reward. We are now considering how we can provide the reward in such a way that satisfies the backers. Please be patient."

Q: Before you were talking about how the funds will be spent. Can you explain more?

A: "We have a pie chart for how the funds from Kickstarter will be spent. KS
Fees: 8 - 10 % Game development: 65 to 72% Backer rewards: 20 - 25% Most of the kickstarter funds are going to the game development. Everything excluding necessary fees and the reward fulfilment.. everything's gonna be used for development."

Q: "Will the real Ryo please stand up?"

A: "We're still improving the qualities of Ryo's face. Not satisfied with the face Ryo has right now. Today we have the latest version, a new pic or Ryo's face. (They show a pic) This new pic we're not satisfied with. Ryo still looks kind of 'frowny.' So I want to continue the improvement. I want to enhance Ryo's attactiveness and personality through not only the models but through the facial expressions and actions he does to make Ryo even better. So we are going to see an improved Ryo in the future. He'll be much better through the process of development."

Q: "Another big issue. Voice actors coming back to reprise their roles. Specifically Ryo. Will we be seeing them again?"

A: "So, I think that the original voice actors will be the best match for Ryo's voice. So I want them to come back as his real voice in shenmue 3 as well. I'm now in negotiation with them. Please wait. We'll have more details about that."

Q: "Will PayPal be an option to help fund Shenmue 3?"

A: "No definite answer, but we're looking into it."

Q: "Is Shenmue 3 going to be DRM free on PC?"

A: "We are now looking into it, but it's not something I alone can decide on. I'm talking to other parties to decide if that's possible... we're looking into it."

Q: "Shenmue 1/Shenmue II HD remaster: are we gonna see it?"

A: "I personally want to see them so that the fans can enjoy Shenmue 3 more. However the property rights belong to SEGA, so I'm not in a position to comment on it. But I want it, so I will talk to SEGA if that's possible."

Q: "More rewards?"

A: "Today we will have additional rewards. First of all we have the grab bags. A lot of surprises in different prize tears, starting from 1,000 dollars to 500 dollars. It contains Shenmue merchandise, and it is random, so you have fun in opening the bag. And also we'll have one more reward, that is the replica of Ryo's watch. There is only one. This will be in the 5,000 reward tier. *They show the watch*

Q: "What are the other rewards going to be like?"

A: "The grab bags will include for example special figures of Ryo. There are also Shenmue watches. (Not the one just shown.) They also include autographed art work. Check out the page later. The rewards will be up. Check it out! For today we have grab bags and watches but in the future we'll have more additional rewards so please stay tuned to the kickstarter page!"

Q: "Stretch goals... stretch goals... stretch goals. Can we get a little bit of explanation please, about the stretch goals."

A: "The budget we have right now, it's Shenmue with story elements. It will be Shenmue 3 up until the duel against the four big bosses. But with additional stretch goals, more areas are going to be added and expanded.

The Rapport system is the system that governs the changes in characters' attitudes toward you, depending upon actions you take in conversations. It will provide a new twist to Shenmue.

In Shenmue 3 there'll be a lot of occasions when you can obtain technique scrolls through special events, jobs, missions, etc. They can be used in battle right away as a QTE. However the advanced skill scrolls and arcane skill scrolls are managed in a tree diagram. Completing that tree will be another side of fun, and it links to the actual martial art learning.

Q: "More on stretch goals"

A: "With the area Baisha, we want to include new fun not included in Shenmue 2. Traditional tactics such as seige and infiltration that we see in warring kingdoms in traditional China are also added. But I want to make it Shenmue-like, easy to grasp, easy to play, and provide more fun.

There's an opportunity for the players to play as different characters. In that event you'll see different choices that different personalities offer, different from Ryo and other characters. That will provide more fun and more personality to the characters.

So there's a lot more stretch goals we published, but there will be a large amount of explanations and a large amount of fun still to come, so we'll leave it to other occasions to explain the other stretch goals.

Your cooperation is what makes this Kickstarter progress, so please support us!

Q: "How will Shenmue 3 at its current funding level be different from Shenmue 3 at the 10 million dollar level?"

A: "The current funding level - about 3.6 million - will have story oriented Shenmue. More focus on story. Exceeding 5 million will allow the development to include more things that are new, such as we explained about Baisha. Exceeding 10 million will allow for the players to enjoy a more open world like Shenmue."

Q: "When is Shenmue 3 going to be released?"

A: "It's expected to be released by the end of 2017. We're confident."

Q: "Is this the end of the story?"

A: "The initial storyline contained 11 chapters. With 1 & 2 it advanced to only a little bit of the 11 chapters. I considered doing the final game to include all the remaining chapters, but in the final consideration it would be skipping all the big arcs, and the completeness of the game would be less enjoyable. So this Shenmue 3 will have more storylines, but this structure will not finish the storyline with Shenmue 3."

Q: "When can we play the trial version?"

A: "It requires many of the basic systems to be developed. The release date of the demo version will be the latter half of the development stage. It might be after the new year of 2017. Until then it requires more development for the basics."

(Inaudible)

Please keep sending us your questions. We want to make Shenmue 3 the best we can. Please share the project. Get the word out. Let everybody know that Shenmue 3 is happening, and we need everybody to support and make sure that we make this Shenmue 3 spectacular."

Q: "Final thoughts?"

A: "I always want to do new things. I hope to achieve all the things I want to do in the new Shenmue, matching with what the Shenmue the fans want, to meet the ten million dollar goal. We ask your continued support, and that you spread the word around to make Shenmue a real thing! Thank-you very much!"

"Let's make this happen! Everybody has been so great the past fourteen years. Making it happen. It's happening now. #SaveShenmue! Let's do this! Thank-you!"

 

and everyone knows that the KS page has been managed poorly. its by some guys called awesome japan and this is their track record.

 

 

 

From the podcast that was linked:

- Awesome Japan has "helped" 13 kickstarters prior to this (in a span of 11 months), only 7 were successful
- Only 1 videogame kickstarter ,Soul Knights (ex Nippon Ichi staff), barely met the goal of $60k with only 246 backers
- only 1550 backers and $170k for all their campaigns combined so far
- they had no native english speaker before this kickstarter apparently. All of their previous campaigns had significant spelling and translation mistakes

 

:doh: should have got the guys who managed bloodstained.