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Some other good apps to have:

Barcode scanner - to get to apps/links easily

Brut maps - to enable google navigation in india

SMS call responder - to respond to calls by sms

Google Gesture Search - All in one search via gestures

Nimbuzz - For skype

Dialer One - Awesome smart dialer

Google Translate - Awesome voice and text translation on the go

KeePass Droid - Password wallet

News Rob - Excellent feed reader with greader sync

Google Places Directory - Local info galore

Seesmic - Best Twitter client and free

Swype - Must have keyboard

These are all for non-rooted devices.. For rooted ones, you can have much more :(
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Multitouch is flaky only in games and that too not much.. otherwise in normal use multitouch works just fine (infact, multitouch is too much hyped.. Normal one handed use is much better done with a UI that does not assume multitouch)
There are some other touchscreen issues that the phone loses calibration info sometimes, but is fixed by a quick tap to the power button and anyways, it will be fixed with an update as confirmed by google (this issue is with nexus, not sure if it is already fixed in desire builds. Some ppl who flashed desire builds on nexus say that they dont see this issue anymore)


No! How can a software update fix it when the multi-touch sensor itself is old and is not capable of ? Its the same multi-touch sensor which Google G1 had and is as old as 2007. It might not be a big problem but honestly if I was putting 30k+ on any device, i would like to be a little future proof. HTC Desire has the same parts as Nexus One more or less hence the problem.

Android and Me reported earlier this year of the major touch screen problems that affected the Nexus One. Google’s flagship phone seemed to have severe hardware issues which prevented it from accurately sensing multiple touches across the same axis. The following video demonstrates the problem:

As the Motorola Droid didn’t exhibit the same problems, Google Engineer Dianne Hackborn went on the record to state that the problem originates from the different touch sensors that manufacturers use in their phones:

“Sorry I meant exactly what I said: this is how the touch screen hardware on the Nexus One works (which is essentially the same screen as on the G1 and myTouch). The Droid has a sensor from a different manufacturer, with different behavior. Other phones will likewise have different sensors.”

Android and Me has now revealed that the Nexus One uses a Synaptics ClearPad 2000 sensor. The sensor was actually never developed to be used for multi-touch use and works as advertised when it was made available in 2007.

In contrast, the new HTC Incredible uses a brand new Atmel maxTouch sensor which was not only designed for multi-touch use, but offers superior performance, accuracy, and power consumption. Atmel states that their touchscreen offers the following over the competition:

* Unlimited touches
* Low power consumption
* Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to eliminate recalibration issues
* Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive products
* Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive products
* Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
* Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
* Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
* Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3" touchscreen
* Small footprint with few external components
* Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
* Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
* Size and angle of touch supported
* Screen sizes up to 10.2" are supported by a single chip
* Proximity channel support

Android Central has made a video to show how the new Incredible and its touch sensor fares against the Nexus One. The results speak for themselves:


If i had to decide between N1 and Desire, i would go with latter even though the design and looks of N1 is much better but its plagued with problems.

Moto Droid was pretty good but I can see the Proc and ram becoming a bottleneck in near future especially when every Android device is coming out with 1Ghz Proc and 512mb ram
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if you want to use the phone for long, go for an HTC/google solution because then you will be assured of the updates...
btw, abt hard kbd, get an android phone and install swype.. you wont look back (except again, for games)


+1 on this
Google devices get updates first and then other devices plus Google Devices = HTC, you have support of XDA-Devs which is lacking in Droid.
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No! How can a software update fix it when the multi-touch sensor itself is old and is not capable of ? Its the same multi-touch sensor which Google G1 had and is as old as 2007. It might not be a big problem but honestly if I was putting 30k+ on any device, i would like to be a little future proof. HTC Desire has the same parts as Nexus One more or less hence the problem.
If i had to decide between N1 and Desire, i would go with latter even though the design and looks of N1 is much better but its plagued with problems.

Moto Droid was pretty good but I can see the Proc and ram becoming a bottleneck in near future especially when every Android device is coming out with 1Ghz Proc and 512mb ram

no, the software update is not going to fix the multi-touch issue. There is another touchscreen issue that i mentioned in my post (phone loses calibration sometimes). This is what the update is for..
Even for the multi-touch there is going to be some software clean up goind to be done. The test would not pass but you wont feel much issues with the actual usage.
Also apart from this, I don't really find any issue with it, so I can't say that it is "plagued" with problems. Really the only things that annoy me on nexus are the touch-calibration issue and lack of divx/xvid playback (supposed to come soon though with desire update, and if it is in desire, it can be ported over to nexus). N1 is also the best unlocked device you can get for the price it is being sold for. And the community support that it will get for years to come cannot be taken lightly. You can already see that even though it has sold probably the least amount of units for any android phone, but still has the most active Rom/app scene because the closed-bits for N1 are less than any other phone out there and is officially hackable plus officially being promoted by google to develop apps for..

desire is definitely better than N1 though as a device(I especially like the OFND better than trackball)...

Edit: BTW, when you say that the touch controller is 2 years old, you would be suprised how old tech is actually used in devices.. Infact the processor that you see in N1 is also over 1.5 years old as well.. it takes a lot of time to commercialize things..

Edited by Shantz, 22 April 2010 - 04:47 PM.


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Right now Rooting my phone :roflroll: My build number is new so have to downgrade to an older build by a method called goldcard method. doing that right now

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Okay so finally i flashed my phone to Sense hero android 2.1 :rofl: its amazing

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This game is amazing- Doodle jump only for android 2 or greater.

Edited by pARTH, 23 April 2010 - 12:33 AM.

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This game is amazing- Doodle jump only for android 2 or greater.


Doodle jump is a great game. Though I heard its not as good as on the Iphone version

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Doodle jump is a great game. Though I heard its not as good as on the Iphone version


Yeah there was a bit of lag , but i think that was because i had a couple of apps open in the background. But otherwise everything is the same.

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Edit the opening post and fill it with a list of Must have Apps as stated above. List can be constantly updated.
It will really help people out. :rofl:
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Edit the opening post and fill it with a list of Must have Apps as stated above. List can be constantly updated.
It will really help people out. :rofl:


done :rofl:

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Dude parth, thats a warez version of doodle jump you have posted... remove it bro..
infact you have even linked to a complete warez forum in the OP :giggle:

Edited by Shantz, 23 April 2010 - 12:19 AM.


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what is warez?

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Pirated? Doodle jump isn't supposed to be free :giggle:

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But doodle jump isnt there on the market.

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^^its there in the market, but you cant see it because by default android users in india cant see the paid apps..since you have rooted, you can download and install "market-enabler". Then you will be able to see all apps worldwide..

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^^its there in the market, but you cant see it because by default android users in india cant see the paid apps..since you have rooted, you can download and install "market-enabler". Then you will be able to see all apps worldwide..


Ahh thanks , will remove the links

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guys pls suggest a Android phone for a budget btwm 14 to 16k..

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Any Messenger which is like BeejiveIM for iPhone? I have seen Nimbuzz and IM+ and they are below par to be honest, hows Twidroid for Twitter ?

Any differences between Facebook for iPhone and Android? except Push notifications
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guys pls suggest a Android phone for a budget btwm 14 to 16k..

can spme pls answer this..

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Quick q: Does this android come with built in protocol stacks ? Or its just an OS like vxworks on top of which you've to develop stuff ?

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guys pls suggest a Android phone for a budget btwm 14 to 16k..

Samsung Galaxy Spica

Any Messenger which is like BeejiveIM for iPhone? I have seen Nimbuzz and IM+ and they are below par to be honest, hows Twidroid for Twitter ?

Any differences between Facebook for iPhone and Android? except Push notifications

Not sure about IM and facebook apps as I dont use them.. You could probably try ebuddy and meebo... For twitter I prefer seesmic over twidroid..

Quick q: Does this android come with built in protocol stacks ? Or its just an OS like vxworks on top of which you've to develop stuff ?

Depends on what you mean by protocol Stacks... Android is a high level OS. The android kernel (based on linux kernel) provides the IP/packet stacks, Android OS provices the RIL etc but the real protocol stack is in baseband which is separate from android ecosystem and is a different image and can also be on same processor, a different core on same processor, or a different processor altogether...
Edit: vxworks is something completely different. vxworks is an RTOS. It provides a kernel and some basic services.

Edited by Shantz, 23 April 2010 - 11:44 AM.


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Not sure about IM and facebook apps as I dont use them.. You could probably try ebuddy and meebo... For twitter I prefer seesmic over twidroid..
Depends on what you mean by protocol Stacks... Android is a high level OS. The android kernel (based on linux kernel) provides the IP/packet stacks, Android OS provices the RIL etc but the real protocol stack is in baseband which is separate from android ecosystem and is a different image and can also be on same processor, a different core on same processor, or a different processor altogether...
Edit: vxworks is something completely different. vxworks is an RTOS. It provides a kernel and some basic services.


Yeah, I meant baseband protocol stock (MAC/RLC etc).

So android is not a RTOS ? I thought the mobile phones use a soft version of RTOS ! Even the linux deployed on mobile phones is RT linux isn't it ? Or not ? I'm way out of touch with the mobile phone OS area. So pardon my n00b qs :rant:

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^^ The definition of an RTOS is pretty fuzzy these days..its hard to explain whats going on.. If you look at a phone there are so many components.. e.g. if you take any HTC android phone, its not just android OS running, there are other "OS"s as well..
infact sometime back there were other linux phones which had linux running on top/side with another OS..
Android in itself does not need to have hard real time constraints because it is mainly an apps/HL OS. The telephony part is where it needs real time performance and most of it comes from the baseband which runs a different "OS". Again whether the other "OS" is an OS or not is debatable..You can probably search and read about L4 and Rex. And there are things even on top of those.. its pretty confusing...

I call vxworks an RTOS because its only job is to run a slim kernel and provide basic services like scheduler/memory management etc that can provide you a deterministic response time. Rest everything has to be done by the developer. You can chose to be content with what vxworks gives and develop some apps/services on top of it or you can even chose to run another HLOS on top of it/along with it..

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Great news guys

802.11 n enabled on Nexus One

Edited by Shantz, 23 April 2010 - 05:59 PM.


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huh wtf wow no athek saying use mobile phone thread blah blah :devil:

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^^ mobile phone thread wtf? :happydance:

This is a thread about ultra-portable computational devices that come along with the bleeding edge of technology :thumbsup:

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huh wtf wow no athek saying use mobile phone thread blah blah :rofl:

because there is a separate thread for apple

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^In that case we should have a Blackberry thread, a Nokia thread, a WebOS thread :rofl:...

Apple has a thread coz there are many devices other than the iphone.

Still Android is also on devices other than phones now, and its ecosystem will grow, so it makes sense to have a thread.

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Simple.
God made Apple, Man made Android.

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Simple.
God made Apple, Man made Android.

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