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HTC Desire The Best SmartPhone :: Exclusive Owner's Review

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THE BEGINNING



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After a gruesome wait for almost 6 months I finally was able to get my hands on my HCT Desire. After venturing in to the Smartphone giants like Nokia and SE, I was not much satisfied by the features and performance they offered, especially with Nokia E75/72 that was supposed to be some kind of revolution in Smartphones with its latest Syambian OS and QWERT slide keyboard, at the time when it was launched.
I was etching for a Smartphone that can act as my personal assistant, social networking hub and as well as decently handle my multimedia needs, without slowing down at any given point of time.
After all this years I was under the impression that iPhone “might” be the solution, but it was always an unaffordable preposition for me, until recently when I did decide to shell out 30K for a high end smart phone, including iPhone 3GS, and hence started my research for the same, some 3,4 months back.
As always is the case, my research for a gadget is always in extensive detail whatever may the product be. Though I would confess that in this case I was already getting inclined towards getting am iPhone 3GS.
To start with, Just a couple of Google searches gave me enough options to narrow down my purchase and also provided me a brief insight of Android. I decided with the following choices…..

1. Nokia N900 with MEMO OS
2. Motorola
3. iPhone 3GS
4. SE X10
5. HTC Desire
6. Samsung Galaxy S (i9000)


Where in HTC and Samsung were soon to be launched, or Samsung was already just launched (I don’t remember). Point which I want to share is that the last two options (Desire and GS) were the least interested ones for me, at that time when I first started my search. But with time and knowledge (courtesy Google Uncle) the same last two contenders became the strongest one for me in the next coming month.
I would skip the CONS of Nokias and SEs and come straight to what I finally decided to choose from. After a brief research it was either the HTC Desire, Galaxy S, or iPhone 3GS. With Samsung and Desire both being on Android platform, I was more interested how the comparison faired between iPhone 3GS and HTC Desire…………and Boy I was heading for a surprise.
Android needless to say is a different ball game all together and took me with a fair bit of surprise and respect with its customization and openness. Though frankly the mind set was still based on a thorough research through reviews, readings and YouTube videos only, I was nevertheless pretty convinced that Android was thing to look forward to.

THE DECISSION


The decision for a smartphone, or for a simple phone for that matter as well, is highly dependent on individual’s needs and the priority of the features the user expects in it, and before deciding on a phone its very important to know your requirements, else you might just land up spending a high amount, on what others suggest and still end up dissatisfied.
Following were few of the major point I considered that made me decide between Desire, Galaxy and 3GS.

1. Customization: I love to customize my gadgets; even my Win 7 is pretty much attuned and customized according to my interest.

2. Amazing Net Experience: Super Fast and Smooth, internet experience, with flash support, full pinch, zoom support within intelligent alignment.

3. Full Integration :: full integration between contacts, phone book and widgets and as far as possible

4. Last but not the least, the entire experience should be butter smooth, with no lag what so ever.

You might have noticed, I did not bring any multimedia needs in to my criteria, that’s because multimedia takes a back seat as far as my priorities are concerned. Not that I am ok with any run of the mill features, but I am ok with a decent 5 meg cam and 800x400 video recording. With these features and priorities in mind I finally decided to go for HTC Desire. Following is my review for the Gadget with exclusive comparison with Galaxy GS and iPhone 3GS.

THE REVIEW



Let’s start with details specifications, courtesy gsarene …

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Now the major difference between the Desire launched in India and rest US mainly is the Display which is Super LCD as against to AMOLED. Most of the people are curious to know if super LCD is any better. Well if you ask me (or infact get on some online reviews as well), super LCD is more or less same as AMOLED. Few of the minor differences include …

1. SLCD seems to perform better under direct sunlight. Though personally I have not used AMOLED under direct sunlight, so can’t comment, but indoor both look exactly same.

2. Colors on AMOLED may look a bit strong.
3. Text is sharper on SLCD.
4. SLCD tends to drain battery faster than AMOLED.


The following video shows the difference between SLCD and AMOLED indoors.

To begin with, HTC Desire is exactly same as Google Nexus in teams of physical factor, and inbuilt features. HTC ramped up the processor and introduced its HTC Sense and launched with the name HTC Desire. Other major difference is the presence of physical buttons like the home and the back key unlike the touch sensitive buttons in Nexus.
The below video from engadget gives you a small insight of the few major differences of the two.

Viddler.com - HTC Desire review - Uploaded by engadget

Let’s start with the positives ……

SENSE UI:: Undoubtedly the best part of HTC smartphones is the UI. If you look at the videos and reviews, it becomes pretty evident, that HTC has spend a lot of time designing the UI, the way most of the users would perceive it and called it Sense UI. There are loads and loads of big and small features that have been brought in the sense UI. Few of the most noticeable ones are…..

1. The way contact/phone book is co related and integrated in to the system:: Opening the contacts details ofcourse presents you with the basic info for the contact (provided the contact is stored on phone memory, if its on sim memory, the attributes are far less). The main thing what you'd notice is that there are another five tabs at the bottom,… of which it’s the first one you are viewing. Those 5 tabs actually provide the complete correspondence with that contact in one single screen, be it messages, mails, face book, or Flicker. The last two tabs representing facebook and flicker actually connect you with the social networking part for that contact. All this is placed neatly in one single screen. Along with this any update that the contact does on facebook or flicker is updated automatically in the phonebook itself, and it shows not only in the notification bar, but on main page as well while doing any sort of correspondence with that contact. Very neat if you ask me.

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Digging deep in to contacts you can have groups with different names like work, fav etc and can set these groups on your home screen as a widget. So I can have favs stored right on my home screen for faster access. It’s a scrollable widget with photos and can be set to directly call, SMS or open a screen to choose an action. Very neat and thoughtful.

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2. Customizable screens:: With sense UI, HTC has also brought the concept of themes, that can change the entire look and feel of your phone. To start off as you must know that HTC gives you 6 home screens to play with; you can customize all seven home screens with different widgets and applications, contacts or shortcuts. The entire setup can then be saved in a Theme, say for example “HOME”. You can have 6 of these themes with you. Say for example “TRAVLE” theme that would have its own desktop background, its own 6 home screens which you can again set up with your travel applications, widgets and shortcuts ……
Apart from we have a unique and very handy way of accessing all the home screens at one go. If you are at the extreme right screen and want to go to extreme left, you don’t have to swipe your way all across the screens, just press the home button (or pinch in on the screen) and you would be presented with all 7 desktops in small thumbs. Just click on the screen you want and you are there.

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Few of the other noticeable features include …

a. When the phone rings, the ringtone volume is what you have set, but once you pick up the handset, the phone senses this and automatically reduces the ringtone to bare minimum. This means the phone knows it has been picked and the user knows it ringing and so minimizes the ringtone automatically.

b. To silent the phone ringtone, (say in a meeting) all you need to do is to flip the phone upside down and, it goes in to mute, and remains in that condition even if you flip back the phone again. (and yes you can do the same the conventional way as well by pressing the home button and choose Mute)


The above examples is just the tip of the ICEBERG, there are lots of small/Big changes that makes this phone experience unique. The following video shows the different things we can do with Sense UI, very informative video.

YouTube - The New HTC Sense Demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_rOX0zMF38


To conclude the UI part I can say, the best part of Android incorporated with Sense UI is the ability to customize the phone like I want, not the way Apple wants me to … (serious pun intended)

3. Browsing: Net Browsing on Desire is THE BEST out there period, and I have seen enough comparison to claim so bluntly. The best part is the default browser itself is so fast you don’t feel the need to go for any other alternative, unlike other phones where opera mini has scored heavily. The browser has everything sorted out to right till the end.

a. Full HTML support :: Site load with full HTML support exactly like they would ona regular desktop, with an option to switch between the mobile view as well

b. Full Adobe flash 10.1 support:: Very handy to view flash embedded videos on various site that supports it.

c. Full pinch and zoom support:: Pinch and zoom in Desire works with exact precision like any iPhone, with full cut copy and paste support, very much like the iPhone.

d. Other features include visual bookmarks, which appear like small thumbnails, and you can choose one to open. Downloading of images by simply long-pressing the image and selecting save.

Coming to the main thing, how fast is the darn thing…….. And the answer is the fastest, even faster than iPhone 4 browser. As somebody said visuals are louder than reviews, below are the videos that compare the Desire browsing with Samsung GS and iPhone 4.


First with Samsung GS

YouTube - Samsung Galaxy S vs. HTC Desire Browser Speed Test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhWsGz0lBXc


Then with iPhone 4

YouTube - Apple iPhone 4 Vs HTC Desire browser speed test.avi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjKe2GW1UNg

Let’s now have a small comparison head to head and then few negatives to conclude the review

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Coming to the negativities.

All is not hokey Dorky with the phone, despite of the fact of desire being claimed the Best smartphone out there, I was able to find some really basic irritating flaws which cannot be neglected.

1. Speaker Phone:: One word “Pathetic”, there is no phone as cheap as 800 bucks whose speaker was more crappier then HTC Desire. Its so bad that I am hardly able to converse properly on the speaker while driving in light traffic. Same goes while playing songs or FM. I simply could not understand why on earth HTC settled with such a low quality speaker with such a high price………Thank god the earpiece is of optimum quality.

2. 720p Recording :: Well it was said that with Froyo, Desire would get 720p recording, and yes it did, but unfortunately its no way near to the one Samsung GS or iPhone 4 has, yes it better than the normal 800x600 we get these days but actually 720p is much more sharper/vibrant colored than what Desire offered with Froyo update.

3. Custom Folder For Messages:: Ok with such an extensive, phone book with quality messaging features, how can they not include, a simple way to create your own custom folders to save your SMS. Yes there are ways to take a complete backup of the message box, but no way to individually save your messages in a customer folder.

4. Battery Life: Once of the most irritating factor of this phone. Yes I know battery life of almost all high end smartphones is somewhat poor, but desire takes the cake in this. Even with proper calibration, the battery does not last for more then 7-8 hours, that too on a casual use. With some heavy fiddling forget to cross 5 hours, and if you are like a social networking hog, make sure to carry a third part battery pack that can power the phone when down ….

5. Internal memory storage: Another irritating factor for this phone. The internal memory though claimed to be 512 MB, but that just total, after the OS update and everything what is left for installing your applications is just 140MB!!! As against to 16GB that GS gives. Ok I know what you people must be saying, that with Froyo we have the ability to install the apps on the external card. Through correct this is not entirely true.

a. First not ALL applications are installed on the card, latest ones does but its on the developer if he has provided the facility to install the application on card. For older application its again on the developer if he brings an update, so that the application can be moved on to the external card ….

b. Second even if the application is installed on the card the updates and system files of the application still remains on the phone, so if we have an application of say 1MB, 20% of the files still remains on the phone even after we have moved the application one the card.


A user like me who is an application freak and likes to use his smartphone in all possible ways seriously feels frustrated, when the memory runs short. I have like 40-50 applications on my phone and I cannot install more because of the memory shortage. GS wins hands down in the regard to provide 16GB of internal memory.

RAM on the other hand, thank god is sufficient and running multiple application simultaneously is a smooth ride altogether.

This concludes my review for HTC Desire, any questions and Queries I am more than willing to ans

Regards
Sammy

Edited by sam9s, 01 January 2011 - 10:11 PM.

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Dude.... VERY cool. And VERY comprehensive.

Repped.

Edited by Aftrunner, 01 January 2011 - 10:11 PM.

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i have both iphone 4 and galaxy S, the display in iphone is much better and much soothing to eyes...galaxy S display is great, but if you are giving verdict based on just size of screen, it tops iphone otherwise not.

Android market better then app store, well sorry don't agree, as matter of fact, android still needs to go a long long way...android is evolving very fast but as of today by no wild imagination it beats app store...

i like the review, i do not care about how you put first or second the fact that you put in effort is commendable :)
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iOS has a much better appstore than the android one. :)
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I agree with Aman, the iOS appstore is miles ahead of any other smartphone appstore, both in terms of quality and presentation.

Although I like your reviewing style. Very detailed and comphrehensive!

Edited by Death Stryke, 01 January 2011 - 10:34 PM.


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Though I kinda disagree with a lot of what you've written (yes, the games are better on iOS for now :| and the iOS review process weeds out some of the crap people sometimes put up on android market which is much stricter) and i'm itching to go grammar nazi on your post (it's a goldmine :D ) and comment on some of your spelling and grammar (don't mind me bro lol) , I must say I have found a kindred spirit in the sense that you've looked up so much info about something and written a detailed comparison (with videos) :clapping:



I'll have my android phone (the Nexus S) within, hopefully, the next few weeks, so I can find out first hand about the OS. From all my endless hours of reading and looking up stuff about iOS and android over the years (seriously, must be the first non-developer, non-tech-reviewer to have done this much android and iOS reading :lol: ), with my needs in mind, Android fits the bill better than iOS except for some games I'll be missing.

the thing that iOS' appstore has going for it is the consistency and quality of apps plus the early start it had that has led to a HUGE number of good apps. The games are also way better. Even with presumably better innards, the latest phones like the Nexus S and Galaxy S don't quite have too many games that blow your mind. Still, the android store is getting better with time, it's just that Google needs to exert a bit more control and goad game makers on and give them some incentive, otherwise the situation will stay the same. Oh, I wish cut the rope comes to android (i think it is coming though).

When it comes to other apps, I don't see what all the fuss is about, there's almost always some decent app equivalent to an iOS app if you look around enough (which of course not everyone does).

But while you're talking hardware specific to the Android phones, the SLCD thing you've talked about here needs to take into account the new SAMOLED screens and not just pure AMOLED. Your battery is probably new (if you've bought the device just now) and needs time to calibrate itself. That Sense UI is sometimes what delays the updates coming to your phone and prevents you from enjoying the latest version of android out cos the manufacturer needs to put in their own crapware before shipping it to your phone.

basically it comes down to what you want from your phone, you might need what the Desire has, another the features of the iPhone 4, yet another a galaxy S. Besides if you're ready to put a bit more effort into android you do reap the rewards. If you'd rather have a stable experience out of the box with a bit less control then iOS more than meets your needs.




Pssst you have 40-50 applications? Oh man, I have like 200+ lined up ready to roll when the Nexus S comes in. :lol:


Plus, that executive assistant in charge of shipping the device is on leave.. stupid americans on leave till Jan 4th.. :rant: Why can't they understand a poor boy's need for liberation from Symbian :cry: . Must begin gathering info about her and stalk her on social networks.. make her come back to work early and ship my phone :devil:

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i'm itching to go grammar nazi on your post (it's a goldmine :D ) and comment on some of your spelling and grammar (don't mind me bro lol)


And I'm itching to point out your posts' structural flaw, like sentences starting with lower case alphabets and unevenly organized paragraphs :bigyellowgrin:

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^Gaurav, regarding the apps, I think both Aman and me speak out of experience with both platforms in hand side by side on a daily basis. So I can reaffirm the difference in quality. I mean, look at the market app itself, it looks so weirdly designed. The text is misaligned with some of the border edges in some places and looks completely haywire to me. Do u think its a pleasing and informative experience to read about apps on the market? I dont think so.

Regarding the situation of apps, I get that android is all "open source" and all that, but Google has to step up and take responsibility. Look at Apple, they make it so much easier for devs to earn good money. Paid apps in 100+ countries while Android has paid apps in 30-32 i think plus no proper filtering of devices or configurations (See the comments on app reviews in the market: It succks does not work on motorola DroidX this that)

I personally feel Android can be really powerful, if Google takes more responsibility and does not let carriers and manufacturers control the devices completely. Look at the Korean networks. They have refused to carry the Nexus S i believe coz they want to load bloatware on it and Google isn't allowing them. So basically other than nexus 1/S, all other devices will always be a step behind and under carrier control. Atleast Apple takes full responsibility and releases constant firmware updates and software upgrades regularly, carriers nonwithstanding. IMO, i put the blame on Google and Samsung and not Android in itself for my less than stellar experience.

And no offence, but stop throwing around the early headstart thing. U atleast are well read in this. I see that on every android forum. The iOS appstore came into being in June 2008 and android market in August or September 2008. So they're like 3 months apart which is not a lot like fandroids make it out to be

Edited by Death Stryke, 02 January 2011 - 01:25 AM.


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And I'm itching to point out your posts' structural flaw, like sentences starting with lower case alphabets and unevenly organized paragraphs :bigyellowgrin:


:chair: Those are intentional :P (everyone seems to do it on the forums, so i'm just getting in line :giggle: - won't happen with regard to spelling and grammar though)

Besides I typed that out from my poor N79 :cry: Oh my fingers.

Edited by Gaurav - Solitaire, 02 January 2011 - 01:33 AM.

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And I'm itching to point out your posts' structural flaw, like sentences starting with lower case alphabets and unevenly organized paragraphs :bigyellowgrin:

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Damn: Late timing ! :|

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^Gaurav, regarding the apps, I think both Aman and me speak out of experience with both platforms in hand side by side on a daily basis. So I can reaffirm the difference in quality. I mean, look at the market app itself, it looks so weirdly designed. The text is misaligned with some of the border edges in some places and looks completely haywire to me. Do u think its a pleasing and informative experience to read about apps on the market? I dont think so.

Regarding the situation of apps, I get that android is all "open source" and all that, but Google has to step up and take responsibility. Look at Apple, they make it so much easier for devs to earn good money. Paid apps in 100+ countries while Android has paid apps in 30-32 i think plus no proper filtering of devices or configurations (See the comments on app reviews in the market: It succks does not work on android this that)

I personally feel Android can be really powerful, if Google takes more responsibility and does not let carriers control the devices completely. Look at the Korean networks. They have refused to carry the Nexus S i believe coz they want to load bloatware on it and Google isn't allowing them. So basically other than nexus 1/S, all other devices will always be a step behind and under carrier control. Atleast Apple takes full responsibility and releases constant firmware updates and software upgrades regularly, carriers nonwithstanding. IMO, i put the blame on Google and Samsung and not Android in itself my my less than stellar experience.


Yeah I guess you're right about most of that stuff. I'll find out soon enough how 'bad' or 'good' the android market is. I'm only talking from the app availability POV (as in the stuff being there to meet my needs) and the app reviews of each of those apps that I've read. I usually look up the app on appbrain and then (plan to ;) ) get it from the market.

Sadly, the carriers are ruining it all but I don't think Google's Android would have taken off that well if they had stuck to being a singular entity controlling android the way apple does with iOS. Still they need to really rein in the sh*t carriers are putting on their phones. And yeah I agree the myriad of devices out there makes it difficult for coders to get their apps to work on every one or on most devices. Apple doesn't need to worry about that much with only the iPhone 4 and its predecessors plus the iPad. It would be nice if google cracked the whip on crappy apps and controlled things much more but the really geeky android crowd wouldn't quite like that shift from 'opennness' . So too the carriers. Now that Android is more established and people like it I think it does give Google that bit of power. But going solo right from the start would have got them the finger from the carriers.

Paid apps, well that won't affect me much cos I'd gladly settle for a few free ones instead unless I'm hard pressed to get something which has no free (even ad-laden) alternative, though I guess it does mean a lot of people are missing out on earning money.

I don't however see a lot of the disadvantages relating to carriers not affecting the Nexus line of devices, so I guess on a personal level I'm happy. But I suppose the world isn't full of Nexus phones alone *sigh* .

Edited by Gaurav - Solitaire, 02 January 2011 - 01:46 AM.

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Damn: Late timing ! :|


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And I'm itching to point out your posts' structural flaw, like sentences starting with lower case alphabets and unevenly organized paragraphs :bigyellowgrin:


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@OP good effort mate...

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I personally feel Android can be really powerful, if Google takes more responsibility and does not let carriers and manufacturers control the devices completely.

Wrong. They will be sent into oblivion. At least as of now.
Google does have a lot of guidelines (mandatory ones and optional ones) but not controlling the platform with an iron fist is what has led to its rise. Just see the OEM/carrier enthusiasm (lack of) towards WP7. It's more like ok MSFT, I'll do you a favor because we used to carry WinMo phones some time back or like hmm..let me put a small finger in WP7 deptt too just in case, but a small finger only, thats it.

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^Fine. I'll give you carrier control and bloatware. But what about its app market policies? Which might help developers and attract them towards Android or making android seem like a good business proposition? Atleast that is in Google's hands right? Carriers dont have a say in its app market policies i guess?

I guess in some cases, iron fists work and some cases it doesn't.

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^Fine. I'll give you carrier control and bloatware. But what about its app market policies? Which might help developers and attract them towards Android or making android seem like a good business proposition? Atleast that is in Google's hands right? Carriers dont have a say in its app market policies i guess?

I guess in some cases, iron fists work and some cases it doesn't.



I want CUT THE ROPE on android :cry: That's all I want :rant:

Otherwise I'll have to get win an iPhone 5 or 4GS or an iPod Touch by this year's end :(

Edited by Gaurav - Solitaire, 02 January 2011 - 01:55 AM.

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^Oh, just encash your gift certificate for the latest iOS device. iPad/iPod or anything else that may be launched in 2011 :D. You'l be set with the best of both worlds.

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^Oh, just encash your gift certificate for the latest iOS device. iPad/iPod or anything else that may be launched in 2011 :D. You'l be set with the best of both worlds.


Why use something I have when I can try and win :naughty:

Besides I was thinking I could use it to get an MBP at a significant discount by the end of this year :D (of course I'd dual boot with Win 7 too ;) )
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^Fine. I'll give you carrier control and bloatware. But what about its app market policies? Which might help developers and attract them towards Android or making android seem like a good business proposition? Atleast that is in Google's hands right? Carriers dont have a say in its app market policies i guess?

I guess in some cases, iron fists work and some cases it doesn't.

yup you are correct. Android is lagging in google's market policies and other things and they realize this as well and currently working on it.

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^Fine. I'll give you carrier control and bloatware. But what about its app market policies? Which might help developers and attract them towards Android or making android seem like a good business proposition? Atleast that is in Google's hands right? Carriers dont have a say in its app market policies i guess?

I guess in some cases, iron fists work and some cases it doesn't.


Android development has no entry barrier (u dont need a Mac to develop apps like in iPhone), SDK is freely available (and uses the popular Eclipse IDE), AppInventor is now freely available, and the subscription cost is about $25 to get ur app into the market. Plus android is the fastest growing platform (not just mobile phones)
Incentive enough for developers to enter the market.

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^I will give you the requirement of mac, which is a big hurdle for many indie devs. But the rest not quite. Its $99 for iOS which is not a big jump from 25 when you are thinking about selling apps on the appstore. Regarding the SDK, there are many conflicting arguments on that. Some say, the iOS SDK is the best SDK around and native code on iOS makes much better applications and its much easier to design UI on iOS SDK instead of the java based ones on android. Though there is no definite consensus on this as it depends on personal preference and coding skill. You cant say one is good and the other isnt.

Fastest growing yes, but is that enough? I still see reports of devs not happy with Google's market policies and difficulty in putting paid apps on the store. Hence they resort to independant appstores. You need to help developers make money by easing things like the financial red tape or else they wont come. its that simple. And i doubt if apps get lot of visibility if they are not on google's market app.

Edited by Death Stryke, 02 January 2011 - 02:27 AM.


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^^ btw one of the biggest gripe that devs had with Android has been removed now (much to the chagrin of users though). The refund policy. By making it 15 minutes, they have effectively removed it as devs always used to complain about this since it didn't promote an impulsive buy environment that iOS allows.
Good for devs but it is actually a step back forced by damn iOS

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^Also, the fact that people finished the games or whatever in 24 hours and refunded. That was the main issue afaik? From the developer's point of view, this is definitely a problem right?

Also, its not all impulsive on the iOS app store. Most of the apps/games worth their salt have or eventually get a lite version. I guess that could be adopted here and everyone's happy?

Edited by Death Stryke, 02 January 2011 - 03:30 AM.


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^Also, the fact that people finished the games or whatever in 24 hours and refunded. That was the main issue afaik? From the developer's point of view, this is definitely a problem right?

Also, its not all impulsive on the iOS app store. Most of the apps/games worth their salt have or eventually get a lite version. I guess that could be adopted here and everyone's happy?

I don't think finishing games and refunding was actually an issue. Most people aren't after "finishing" games in mobile world. Mobile games tend to provide a means to provide relief/entertainment over a long period and are designed so as well that satisfaction is not earned by "finishing" them but rather by the repeat entertainment value. And anyways, games in Android aren't much in number and even from them most of them already have lite versions available. Even from the remaining numbers, I don't think there would be so many people in the world who have so much time to install games and complete it at rapid pace and refund and then do it over and over again with new games. IMO, 99% of such folks would actually pirate games and play with leisure. Also, if Google really wanted to address games issue, the window would have been something like an hour or two as you cant try most games in 15 minutes and in fact most good games download data after install which means you will spend that time in that itself.
So, now many people who bought the apps without lite versions (which is a huge number compared to games) or the ones that had lite versions with missing feature sets, refunded these if they noticed they didn't really need it. This, now, is a huge number as many of us see apps being mentioned here and there or think that it would be good from the app's descriptions, or thought the pro version would be directly proportional to the goodness of the lite one and then bought it but realized it was the opposite and refunded.

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Regarding the situation of apps, I get that android is all "open source" and all that, but Google has to step up and take responsibility. Look at Apple, they make it so much easier for devs to earn good money. Paid apps in 100+ countries while Android has paid apps in 30-32 i think plus no proper filtering of devices or configurations (See the comments on app reviews in the market: It succks does not work on motorola DroidX this that)


it is better for Google if there are less paid and more freemium apps (apps with ads). Google makes more money that way. Google gets more business that way. Google can give android away that way. :D

^Fine. I'll give you carrier control and bloatware. But what about its app market policies? Which might help developers and attract them towards Android or making android seem like a good business proposition? Atleast that is in Google's hands right? Carriers dont have a say in its app market policies i guess?

I guess in some cases, iron fists work and some cases it doesn't.


Well once we see app stores of carriers and others like amazon come into being it may well become a moot point.

Android development has no entry barrier (u dont need a Mac to develop apps like in iPhone), SDK is freely available (and uses the popular Eclipse IDE), AppInventor is now freely available, and the subscription cost is about $25 to get ur app into the market. Plus android is the fastest growing platform (not just mobile phones)
Incentive enough for developers to enter the market.


it may be easier for devs to get apps on the market but it is more difficult for them to sell those apps compared to app store.

edit : oh, & at OP.. din't read your comprehensive review/comparison but the effort shows. well done. :thumbsup:

Edited by achilles, 02 January 2011 - 04:39 AM.

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Had this device in may... has to be the worst 28k i ever spent on anything :fogug:

Battery life was and still is, by reports, atrocious. At one point i was carrying 2 spare batteries on me just on a day out with the gf.

The only good thing about it is the fact that it's soooo frigging fast.... for everything else look the other way.
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At one point i was carrying 2 spare batteries on me just on a day out with the gf.


Why? She plays angry birds a lot? :giggle:
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Why? She plays angry birds a lot? :giggle:


yeah thats why i got the Touch 4G

As for the Desire, i had to "not" use the phone so as to not drain the darned thing... awful battery life... Muchos Gracias to Danny bro for buying-out the stupid cradle + extended batteries i got for this cursed POS

Edited by Jigsaw, 02 January 2011 - 12:30 PM.

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Had this device in may... has to be the worst 28k i ever spent on anything :fogug:

Battery life was and still is, by reports, atrocious. At one point i was carrying 2 spare batteries on me just on a day out with the gf.

The only good thing about it is the fact that it's soooo frigging fast.... for everything else look the other way.


battery is equally sad on iphone, you are lucky you can carry atleast a spare battery, with iphone even that is ruled out.


Actually planning to get his --> http://www.mophie.co...1145_jpaxp4.htm

but this will make the phone bulkier :(

Edited by AtheK, 02 January 2011 - 12:33 PM.

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