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[Death Stryke]

I miss this Steve ballmer...(too early? )
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Edited by Death Stryke, 19 June 2012 - 11:17 AM.

[Rock Lee]

Hope you won't be apologized by God for your sin

Dude I am no grammar Nazi and my English is not that good but a MASSIVE WTF AND QUAD FACEPALM AT THE ENGLISH.

[Javs]

really interested, would be awesome to pickup a pro version to replace my current laptop

+ get integrated xbox live and achievements for games.......

[MarketTantrik]

Display - Lower than the iPad ..

That is a misnomer. The new iPad has a higher resolution, however the actual usable resolution is still 1024x768 because iOS uses the extra resolution to make on screen objects appear clearer and sharper rather than providing more screen real estate. However, Windows 8 treats screen resolution as native resolution, meaning that the Surface RT actually has a much higher usable resolution at 1366x768 or 1280x720 than the new iPad.

[MarketTantrik]

Dude I am no grammar Nazi and my English is not that good but a MASSIVE WTF AND QUAD FACEPALM AT THE ENGLISH.

Spot on.


Also this little gem

Out of 10,000 people that are going to be laid .

[Rock Lee]

Out of 10,000 people that are going to be laid .

Didnt notice earlier. OMFG made my day.

[ScrewyAurum]

[vimaltandan]

Haha, check out what others think about the Surface

[url="Will #Microsoft’s new tablet "#Surface" be a worthy rival to #Apple’s #iPad?"]http://www.thotpad.c...a/user/thot/317[/url]

[Udham]

Gems.

[Javs]

http://gizmodo.com/5...-for-windows-rt

Hands On With Microsoft Surface for Windows RT
Microsoft's event today was long on promise and short on specs. RAM? We dunno. Processor speed? We dunno. Price? We dunno. Release date? We dunno. But even avery brief hands-on made something abundantly clear: It's a super solid device and if Microsoft can deliver what it demoed, the iPad finally has a real competitor and Android has a big goddamn problem.

Microsoft kept touting build quality, and for good reason: the Windows RT Surface tablet is solid and stunning. Attention to detail is positively amazing, and it's so well designed from every angle that it's just a joy to look at. The keyboard is so thin it seems made from fabric. The lines are gorgeous, and it's a well-balanced device that you'll be able to hold for extended sessions. It is, certainly, easier to hang on to than any of the three generations of iPads to date. The screen is bright and vivid, and the viewing angle is as wide as you could reasonably expect to hold it. Even the kickstand that lets it sit upright, which seemed kind of, well, dumb onstage was a fantastic touch once we saw it in person and attached to the keyboard.

It's also fast and responsive. When we flipped through an app, going from snap state to full screen, it blazed faster than your average reggae band in Humboldt County. Touching led to instant firing. We don't know what kind of processor or RAM is in there (mysterious!) but it's ground-up quick.

And then there's typing on it. We couldn't do that! Notably, every single Surface tablet Microsoft let us put our hands on either was turned off, or didn't have a keyboard connected. I kept hearing how quickly you could type on it—"I did 63 word per minute the first time I used it," one Microsoft employee told me—but there was no way to try this out for ourselves.

So. Yes. It's awesome. It's going to be fantastic. Google had better step things up at IO, because this Windows RT tablet is far more impressive than any shipping Android tablet I've ever seen. It's a clear rival to the iPad. Or at least, so it seems. We'll see. Can't wait for Fall.

[achilles]

MS is trying to get in on a war that doesn't exist..yet. Nobody is buying tablets. They never have. People are buying iPads. Coz it's the iPad.

Anyway, more than the device I hunk their touch keyboard cases were pretty cool.

@MT Doesn't matter if more screen real estate is available. It will be much less sharp than the retina iPad.

[slackerninja]

MS is trying to get in on a war that doesn't exist..yet. Nobody is buying tablets. They never have. People are buying iPads. Coz it's the iPad.

Anyway, more than the device I hunk their touch keyboard cases were pretty cool.

@MT Doesn't matter if more screen real estate is available. It will be much less sharp than the retina iPad.

This. This. This. This. This.



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[AtheK]

I really like the integrated keyboard, very cool.

But win vs iOS, lol...

[AtheK]

MS is trying to get in on a war that doesn't exist..yet. Nobody is buying tablets. They never have. People are buying iPads. Coz it's the iPad.

Anyway, more than the device I hunk their touch keyboard cases were pretty cool.

@MT Doesn't matter if more screen real estate is available. It will be much less sharp than the retina iPad.

Absolutely true there are two categories...iPad and wannabes...this will sit pretty much on top in wannabe list...

[Karooo]

I was expecting an Xbox branded tablet, but this sounds a little interesting that I originally thought.

[Udham]

Thats completely untrue. ipad is sitting at 57-58% ww market share, android 39-40%. The US is heavily dominated by iPad, but Android is getting stronger, Kindle fire which goes for 199$ accounts for 50%+ android tablets sold in the US< obviously there is a lot of scope, for mid-price and low-price segment.

Now we have a new player, and if they get the pricing right, they have a good shot at grabbing the middle segment.
Again, iPad sales wouldn't cease, they will eventually lose more of its market share, either to Android or to Win8, I'm not at liberty to say few things here... only the time will tell.

[Karooo]

Yeah, this is pretty much the best competitor to the iPad. Now I don't know how well it will be received, but it's better than MS not trying at all since they have the necessary ecosystem in place as well.

[AtheK]

Microsoft pricing in India will kill it before it is born


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[MarketTantrik]

@MT Doesn't matter if more screen real estate is available. It will be much less sharp than the retina iPad.

I posted that in response to Zee's comment on resolution. Yes, the Surface RT's screen will have a lower dpi, but it will also have more usable screen real estate.

[achilles]

Thats completely untrue. ipad is sitting at 57-58% ww market share, android 39-40%. The US is heavily dominated by iPad, but Android is getting stronger, Kindle fire which goes for 199$ accounts for 50%+ android tablets sold in the US< obviously there is a lot of scope, for mid-price and low-price segment.

Now we have a new player, and if they get the pricing right, they have a good shot at grabbing the middle segment.
Again, iPad sales wouldn't cease, they will eventually lose more of its market share, either to Android or to Win8, I'm not at liberty to say few things here... only the time will tell.

The percentage you're talking are shipped numbers, not sales, while Apple sells iPads as fast as they can make them. Check how much unsold Android tabs are gathering dust all over, everywhere. Oh and how very convenient that Fire is being included in the 'Android' numbers now. GG.

Anyway, the Kindle Fire dropped like a brick in the post holiday quarter, so much so that Amazon cancelled pre-ordered parts for further manufacturing of the device. (Source,

Anecdotally, I have seen a lot of iPads around. I haven't seen one "Tablet" yet.

[Death Stryke]

Udham there is no way in hell iPad has 57% market share. Those figures are spouted by random analysts quoting figures from some random channel checks and shipped numbers.

I'll just speak till March 2012 figures. But till March 2012, Google sold 12 million tablets (Andy Rubin's word)...Apple sold 68 million tablets till that period (Apple's earnings reports say this)

How in the hell will it have only 57% market share. These are all global figures mind u. U can add 4-5 million Kindle fires into the pie still wouldn't make a big diff

[Udham]

The stores can maintain the inventory for 6 months, right? So if there are so many android tabs gathering the dust, and there is not much of real demand, market share should drastically come down this year.
But it wouldn't , and you should wait for this fella , 199$ tag means insta-win.

And how could you not include Kindle Fire and Nook nos with android, they ARE Android devices. They have ICS to CWM to MIUI....everything.

Udham there is no way in hell iPad has 57% market share.

I was talking about 2011, will post link.
And there's no point seeing life-time data for these devices or OSs. Just see one year's.

Edited by Udham, 19 June 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[Death Stryke]

I dont know if my method of calculation is wrong but i dont see how 68 mil vs 12 mil can in any way translate to 57%. But doesn't matter. I dont see android tablets taking off anywhere. The Kindle is a success not because its an android tablet, but because its a storefront for Amazon services which is where Amazon is going to make money (Movies, music, items, appps)

At 199, Google also will not be making any money in h/w as well. Unless they announce a huge ecosystem deal for movies and music and offers like Amazon prime, I doubt it gains any traction. Besides, Amazon Kindle is now a brand name, which everyone knows. Like the iPad. Huge +ve for Amazon. Amazon has the benefit of having a lot of customer trust built over the years. Google doesn't have a defining device or brand name which people know about. Most average joes (which is basically 90% of customer base) dont even know which android version they are running in their phones. Or that its Google which owns the OS.

Edited by Death Stryke, 19 June 2012 - 08:48 PM.

[MarketTantrik]

It's definitely not as low as 57%.

[achilles]

Like I said, that % is the shipped number of tablets for Christmas qtr, 2011. If Apple could've made more their shipped % would have been higher as well.

Anyway if I had to pick a number I'd say in actual sales to consumers, the iPad would have a close to 90% share.

@ DS The Fire isn't a success. Even at that price point. It's just the iPad market so far. The 'Tablet' market does not exist.

@ Udham 6 months? What in the hell store are you managing? The accepted healthy inventory turn around time is 45 days or 6 weeks. And the share has already come down in the first quarter. Kindle went down from ~5 million to 750k, 17% to 4%. You see the immediate difference the shipped figures bring? The fire isn't selling much even when it was introduced at less than half the price of iPad 2, forget the fact that the iPad 2 was already almost a year old at that point. In the same quarter the iPad 2 sold enough at full price even though the new iPad was just around the corner.

['Pranay]

I think this has potential for me to throw away my laptop

Pro version comes with Windows 8 Desktop version x86, has mouse support and 360 controller support, a HDMI out, and can run any application that you can run on your desktop.
uTorrent + VLC Player + Steam + Chrome


MS are trying to compete with two different markets, laptops and tablets

[Death Stryke]

I am not too bullish on the touch experience of using Full Win8. I mean, to me, it seems the Metro thing is just a glorified launcher for Win7 in the background.Maybe I am wrong but lets see...

Also, Win 8 pro tablets are almost a kilo in weight. I find the 650 gms of the iPad just barely okay at times. Who would use a tablet weighing that much?.

At the price of 800-1000 dollars, u can get a super specced Win 8 Asus Laptop. better investment. U dont need the touch experience

[spindoctor]

the ipad is not going to maintain whatever marketshare and mindshare it has well into the future. this surface tablet might not compete directly with the ipad, but the kind of unified ecosystem microsoft are trying to build will blow away all the competition if it is successful (this includes both apple and google). they're leveraging the windows and xbox brands to unify everything... gaming, home entertainment, mobile computing, music and digital distribution, telephones, desktop computing, the internet... everything controlled by the same software systems that talk to each other. apple might compete in tablets and phones, but they have nothing else. google can compete on phones and internet services, but nothing else. the kind of sh*t microsoft are trying to pull off will be what smart homes from sci fi movies depict. dunno if it will be successful or not, but this isn't going to be a "lololol ipad vs surface" war. microsoft is playing the long game here... for them it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Edited by spindoctor, 19 June 2012 - 10:33 PM.

[pArth]

For 900$ the pro version seems worth.

I think this has potential for me to throw away my laptop

Pro version comes with Windows 8 Desktop version x86, has mouse support and 360 controller support, a HDMI out, and can run any application that you can run on your desktop.
uTorrent + VLC Player + Steam + Chrome


MS are trying to compete with two different markets, laptops and tablets

All I need on my entertainment machine

And HDMI out win

[achilles]

the ipad is not going to maintain whatever marketshare and mindshare it has well into the future. this surface tablet might not compete directly with the ipad, but the kind of unified ecosystem microsoft are trying to build will blow away all the competition if it is successful (this includes both apple and google). they're leveraging the windows and xbox brands to unify everything... gaming, home entertainment, mobile computing, music and digital distribution, telephones, desktop computing, the internet... everything controlled by the same software systems that talk to each other. apple might compete in tablets and phones, but they have nothing else. google can compete on phones and internet services, but nothing else. the kind of sh*t microsoft are trying to pull off will be what smart homes from sci fi movies depict. dunno if it will be successful or not, but this isn't going to be a "lololol ipad vs surface" war. microsoft is playing the long game here... for them it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Thanks. I really needed something like this to cheer me up today.