Ne0 Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 People just don't give new IPs a chance; they'd rather spend their money on a bad game from a well-known franchisepeace Thats not entirely true. Gears of war, Assasins creed, skate(like u mentioned), bioshock, mass effect were new IPs, and they sold quite well. Its all about the game, I don't know who had thought that games like Mirror's Edge or Brutal Legend would sell millions ! Not everybody is a fan of such games. They may be good, but they aren't not everyone's cup of tea. I myself found both of the games to be not something I would enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid ocelot Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Gears of war etc were new IP's at one point,but look at how much they sold. And they were fantastic games. Thats why people go back to them. Eas main problem was that the ips were in the more "arty" genre, and though they were good games they werent not down right dripping awesome. So you cant blame the public for not lapping them up. Face it..when you have gears of war 2 and a little known 5 hour long 3d platformer coming up,and you had to choose one,most people are going to choose gears of war 2. About need for speed selling so much....well britney spears outsells most good artists . Atleast need for speed was good racing game at a point. Anyway a franchise wouldnt exist if the game it created wasnt good. There are some exceptions(50 cent game anyone?) ,but for most part franchises exist because the game that kicked it off was good and sold well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devil_angel Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 fantastic article, I know this is a bit critical but I would ask: why did EA not invest in developing new ips for their sports franchises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Yo man, don't diss RE 5. It had its moments. Yup! I loved RE5. Haters be damned! Thats not entirely true. Gears of war, Assasins creed, skate(like u mentioned), bioshock, mass effect were new IPs, and they sold quite well. Its all about the game, I don't know who had thought that games like Mirror's Edge or Brutal Legend would sell millions ! Not everybody is a fan of such games. They may be good, but they aren't not everyone's cup of tea. I myself found both of the games to be not something I would enjoy. But there is some truth in what sam said. The titles you mentioned (except for Skate I guess) came with HUGE hype. Gears was touted as a system seller and AC had AAA-blockbuster written all over it and Jade Raymond . People are very cautious with new IPs, especially when they aren't hyped to death. How many people rushed out to buy Borderlands on day one? It's only when the word or mouth / internet praise spread that people actually even started taking notice of the game. But look at MW2, it sold like hot cakes despite it's extremely short campaign, MP issues and ridiculously high price. Don't even get me started on other lesser known new IPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ne0 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 But there is some truth in what sam said. The titles you mentioned (except for Skate I guess) came with HUGE hype. Gears was touted as a system seller and AC had AAA-blockbuster written all over it and Jade Raymond . People are very cautious with new IPs, especially when they aren't hyped to death. How many people rushed out to buy Borderlands on day one? It's only when the word or mouth / internet praise spread that people actually even started taking notice of the game. But look at MW2, it sold like hot cakes despite it's extremely short campaign, MP issues and ridiculously high price. Don't even get me started on other lesser known new IPs. Now, see no one asked EA to "not" hype up the game. And they are not newbies in the industry either. Its purely their marketing failure. Shouldn't be blaming customers for that. Its their responsibility to sell their product ! Again, for games like borderlands, whether its a sequel or a new IP, it'll never be as successful as COD:MW 2. Just take oblivion for ex, it was the fourth game in the series, many knew about it, the prequel was a great game, still it would have hardly sold anything in the opening week. Or for that matter even Fable 2. They don't sell like a Gears of war or a COD because they don't have that mass market/casual gamer appeal. Anyone can pick and play a racer or a shooter, but other genres - not so much. That being said, I do agree a brand name means a lot. But squarely blaming the customers because some new IPs did well, is not quite right IMO. Also, some of us have rejected these new IPs (skate, mirror's edge, brutal legend) after playing the demo. So its not like we don't give them a chance. Its just that not all new IPs are THAT good or interesting. Even the next new IP - Dante's Inferno looks pretty average to me, and there's a very good chance I won't be buying that as well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Bottomline is people prefer buying recycled drivel and sequels than new IPs and games that do something original. I don't know how you can write off games just by playing a 10-15 minute demo. Anyway, I just think it's wise to invest in something different like Borderlands or Brutal Legend than Call of Duty 34: Post-modern Warfare. But that's because I'm not a rabid MP-player. Also, I cannot expect everyone to like stuff that I do. Since you mentioned Dante's Inferno, I'm actually looking forward to it. I love hack-n-slash and buy and enjoy games in that genre even if they get mediocre reviews (Ninja Blade, Viking, Conan). I'm pretty sure that if Dante gets a 9-ish review everyone will suddenly want to score a copy. Once again it's the same thing, people don't want to give new IPs a try unless they get extremely good reviews and that rarely happens, most sites play it safe by giving them "good but not great" type of ratings. But an established franchise is guaranteed to sell and score well even if the game is average at best. It's only in retrospect and when the hype dies down completely that people and even the reviewers begin to notice and acknowledge flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 I don't know how you can write off games just by playing a 10-15 minute demo. Anyway, I just think it's wise to invest in something different like Borderlands or Brutal Legend than Call of Duty 34: Post-modern Warfare. I need some yardstick to determine which game I should buy, since most of them are pretty expensive. Demos and reviews are one way. They might not work everytime, but I don't have a choice I'm pretty sure that if Dante gets a 9-ish review everyone will suddenly want to score a copy. Not entirely true. Games like UC2 has a rating of 9.5, and its still languishing in sales. Same thing happened to R&C games. They are sequels, having good ratings. But not everyone likes such games. Once again it's the same thing, people don't want to give new IPs a try unless they get extremely good reviews and that rarely happens, most sites play it safe by giving them "good but not great" type of ratings. But an established franchise is guaranteed to sell and score well even if the game is average at best. It's only in retrospect and when the hype dies down completely that people and even the reviewers begin to notice and acknowledge flaws. I would still say, it depends on the type of the game rather than new IP or the sequel. In general, shooters, racers & popular sports games tend to do well. From other geners, there are very few games that do well irrespective whether they are new IP or a sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 guys.. I am really thankful to all of u for such a wonderful thread and most importantly nobody has shown Bs here so far...I think Gaming is taken more seriously then it should deserve. Companies are spending more resources(time,money) to create a game and selling them at a very high rate. For example if EA want to create some new IP then they should release their title keeping in mind that a new IP of their is coming - they should not release and major title during that quarter. Regarding the failure-less success(in sales) of new experimental IPs - they should price them well..gamers has fixed budget -if someone got a pocket money of 100 bucks and knows that two of his favorite franchise will be coming in next month which will cost him around 100 bucks(50 bucks each) - so he will save his money and will be reluctant to spend any money on any new game.Also buying games are effected by friends..for example if all of your friends are buying FIFA -- how much are you interested in buying other football games feel left alone and miss the multiplayer with your friends., Also some games are highly rated by critics - psychonauts ,beyond good n evils etc - they are very innovative and good in their own terms - but too whacky or odd to be acknowledged and BOUGHT by an average gamer (who represents the majority of the gamer). For example Beyond good n evil - if it was in more realistic environment rather those whacky human+animal characters - i think it will get better response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 It's the same thing with movies. Movies like 2012 for example make a shitload of money compared to offbeat stuff like Moon for example. Even if the latter is a much better movie and is also highly rated by critics. Imagine if a movie studio hyped up Moon to be the "next big sci-fi hit since The Matrix", people would have watched it and hated it. Look what happened to Paranormal Activity. It was a decent low-budget movie but was hyped to death by the studio calling it the "scariest movie of all time". Now look at all the hate threads on IMDB. Hyping stuff that isn't everyone's cup of tea doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 hate threads at imdb find me one movie that doesnt have them imdb is a nice site for finding movies but the boards are amongst the most BS i have come across Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 yeah..buttomline - for bigbudget thing - Marketing & PR really make a difference. If EA wants new IP to get accepted.. PR it like anything from day on inception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 hate threads at imdb find me one movie that doesnt have them imdb is a nice site for finding movies but the boards are amongst the most BS i have come across True but it's still fun to read some of the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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