KnackChap Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 what a waste of life. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 You guys don't know about the NCERT manual fiasco? It just takes one PIL in supreme court to change entire direction of country. It's going to happen in next 5-10 years. Doesn't matter which government is in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, AnK said: Not even close & won’t be any time soon. Until the current regime is in power which by the looks of things will be a long long time. 377was removed by same government. Ruling party had TG MLA and Mayor in the past. One of the Padama awardee who is also the president of one of the largest Karnataka culture committee, is a TG. It is absolutely wrong to imagine that conservatives do not support LGBT and 3rd gender, it's just that they do not go town advocating and advertising it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Right said: 377was removed by same government. Ruling party had TG MLA and Mayor in the past. One of the Padama awardee who is also the president of one of the largest Karnataka culture committee, is a TG. It is absolutely wrong to imagine that conservatives do not support LGBT and 3rd gender, it's just that they do not go town advocating and advertising it. All this doesn’t mean sh*t when they endorse Baba Ramdev’s medicinal “cure” for Gay & Lesbian. What the president of India is doing or saying in his tenure has really little to do with what is the ground reality on MLA/corporator level. Removal of 377 is part of the status quo I mentioned. Kinda like squashing any chance of a rebellion/protest & coming in limelight. It’s an open ended settlement of “you be you but just don’t get in our faces”. Edited March 21, 2022 by AnK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: Didn't realise that supreme court is now a part of the government Matter was subjudice and GoI through its SG asked for remedy. In other words, govt didn't contest it to decriminalise Consensual Gay sex while keeping the provision intact for sodomy. Edited March 21, 2022 by Right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, AnK said: All this doesn’t mean sh*t when they endorse Baba Ramdev’s medicinal “cure” for Gay & Lesbian. ”. Please send me link which says someone from govt has endorsed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Right said: Please send me link which says someone from govt has endorsed it. Not asking him what is the science & logic behind his treatments in itself is endorsement as far as I am concerned. Obviously PM himself won’t stand with him when he is saying that he can “cure” someone’s child out of it. & it’s not really a hidden fact what kinda relationship he holds with the current regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 Blaming the govt when general public is extremely averse to most LGBT. Sec 377 has been removed. It's now upto the society to decide how to take it forward. Govt and judiciary have done their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) There is nothing to take “forward” as such. Unless the status quo is preserved like I said. Someone said that LGBT community can sort of take unfair advantage even here in near future. That is something which would be far fetched with the current regime. Yeah if tmrw they gather enough numbers in a particular region & someone like Kejru pleases them for votes & in that particular region they start taking perks & privileges then that’s a different thing. That’s how democracy works actually. Edited March 21, 2022 by AnK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said: Blaming the govt when general public is extremely averse to most LGBT. Sec 377 has been removed. It's now upto the society to decide how to take it forward. Govt and judiciary have done their job. Slight correction: Section 377 is removed only for homoesexual couples. It's still an offense for heterosexual couples. So if anyone's gf or wife gives them a consensual BJ, the guy is committing a crime with imprisonment upto 10 years. Consensual or non consensual doesn't matter when it comes to heterosexual couples. It's still a crime if non consensual sex happens between gay men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Meanwhile excellent dubbing https://www.facebook.com/1036885453/posts/10223593877968492/ Twitter link: Edited March 21, 2022 by Big Boss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: Law changing doesn't do anything. Everything needs to move together to drive real change. Like making a law about not killing women children doesn't solve the problem. Enforcement and positive steps towards educating the population is important to drive change. And that's upto the society. You can't blame govt for every single action. Society's consciousness has to move forward. 6 minutes ago, Big Boss said: Slight correction: Section 377 is removed only for homoesexual couples. It's still an offense for heterosexual couples. So if anyone's gf or wife gives them a consensual BJ, the guy is committing a crime with imprisonment upto 10 years. Consensual or non consensual doesn't matter when it comes to heterosexual couples. It's still a crime if non consensual sex happens between gay men. Meri saat pushtein jail main rahengi ab. Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 Society is changing very fast, but not fast as one wants and it shouldn't. Just until 70yrs ago, Australia was treating aboriginals like Flora and Fauna, UK was neutering gays, US was denying education to Blacks, India was asking people to obtain licences to own cars and telephones and Taxing them 97% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: Yeah, I mean government is a reflection of that. At the end of the day, it's the most important institution of the country and they have to take steps to change direction. These things don't happen automatically. You say society needs to change but how's that going to happen without education? It's not about blame but about taking responsibility. Government is a reflection of the majority, not the society per se. Society is not an absolute concept in itself, too. Your local community can be extremely receptive of secularism and TGs, and the neighbouring community might not be. Both societal aspects are different. The government cannot intervene, heck, does not has the resources to intervene at such deep level. It took the government DECADES, with the help of megastars like Amitabh Bachchan, to rally parents to get their kids a life saving Polio vaccine. DECADES for something that is in the benefits of their own kids - and we still see some anti-vaxxers against it. We also have a lot of other critical issues to work out - employment, affordable housing, public safety, transportation, defense, capacity building, setting India's stage in global politics, poverty, hunger, clean water, clean air etc. LGBT issues are - and I know I will be criticized for this - nowhere near as important. As we saw in the recent Ukraine news, TGs left their ideologies behind and "turned" back to females to escape war. Societal change has to start with us. I cannot fathom the government spending an iota of time, money or energy on this. Simply a waste of resources. Lobby the schools to teach about LGBT. Heck, lobby for them to teach about practical issues like sex ed and financial planning. Current thought is typical a gutka chewer - f**ker will chew and spit wherever he wants, but government is responsible for the cleanup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: You say it has to start with us but how can any change happen without education. You talk abstract concepts without an action. I don't think any long term change can happen without education. And guess who has the biggest influence on education? Having these things as part of the curriculum is one of the most significant way to influence thought. Change does not happen automatically. You have to do things to make it happen. Again, you might say that it's not as important and idk maybe that's true but government's importance for these things cannot be denied. Adding a 15 page chapter to the curriculum is not a massive undertaking. Even little things have an impact. My civic textbook mentioned secularism in a throwaway paragraph. My teacher explained to us what it is and why it's important and it had an impact. Huh ? I ended the above post saying education is the only way to bring this change - lobby your school. Government will be busy with politics. You've to the power to make a difference via your school. Why do you need a government mandated curriculum ? Why can't a school take those steps on their own ? When most of us, or even most schools are not even comfortable talking about sex ed with our kids, how do you think LGBT discussions would go ? The restrictive societal norms have to go. Even if you've the schools trying to educate on such policy, you'll have thousands of parents opposing it. There's no clear answer, but the government cannot push for mindset change, specially for a topic this sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said: I'm saying more people will be open to these things if they're educated and that is driven by government. Individual action can hardly bring any real change but that's my opinion. Society must change is just a way to handwave the responsibility away from the government. Gutkha chewers keep doing it because there is nothing wrong with it as per them. Modi starts a campaign to promote cleanliness and maybe a few will think that umm, this is wrong. My point is, and I can be wrong, any behaviorial change can not ever come automatically unless someone massively influences it. You can't just leave a situation hanging for a few decades and expect it to change. That's just not how the world works. People don't change unless given a good reason to. Cleanliness is a universal issue. LGBT are individual issues. To the masses, LGBT rights have no effect on their day to day lives, but they're a dark political door for government. I don't think our general society is so open minded that government can intervene without being criticised. You'll most likely have pockets of education and cities were LGBT will have higher acceptance than others, and it'll spread as individualism spreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: I'm saying more people will be open to these things if they're educated and that is driven by government. Individual action can hardly bring any real change but that's my opinion. Society must change is just a way to handwave the responsibility away from the government. Gutkha chewers keep doing it because there is nothing wrong with it as per them. Modi starts a campaign to promote cleanliness and maybe a few will think that umm, this is wrong. My point is, and I can be wrong, any behaviorial change can not ever come automatically unless someone massively influences it. You can't just leave a situation hanging for a few decades and expect it to change. That's just not how the world works. People don't change unless given a good reason to. Good point. When Modi initiated Swaach Bharat, people wanted to do it but without local authority supporting it was impossible. My City Indore for example is the Gutka capital Look at it now, people have adapted but it started with local authority coming to collect garbage daily, daily emptying dustbins and after few months they refused to take garbage from households if it was not categorized properly and thus people changed too. Now look at Indore, clean and i mean super clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, hope said: City Indore for example is the Gutka capital UP accepts challenge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 Totally shameless fkr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 Random. Haven't watched the video but might be interesting for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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