Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 no hp.shoryu is always better in SF4.... i just said lp is better in SSF4 because MP and HP are two hits and you cant FA out of the last hit...something like kens ...so lp is the most damaging Yup lax: Shado is right on the money. If it is two hits than obviously lp Shoryuken is a far better option, just like Ken as he said. and moreover there is a slight timing difference in lp srk to ultra as or course the opponent goes much less high. HP SRK leaves a lot more buffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxlight Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Yup lax: Shado is right on the money. If it is two hits than obviously lp Shoryuken is a far better option, just like Ken as he said. and moreover there is a slight timing difference in lp srk to ultra as or course the opponent goes much less high. HP SRK leaves a lot more buffer. i wasnt referring to his post,i just said that lp srk fadc ultra is also very easy and there is no particular timing difference you have to worry about.strictly talking about sf4,there are actually quite a few situations where lp srk fadc ultra is preferred over hp.i'll ask my friend about this and let you guys know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 i wasnt referring to his post,i just said that lp srk fadc ultra is also very easy and there is no particular timing difference you have to worry about.strictly talking about sf4,there are actually quite a few situations where lp srk fadc ultra is preferred over hp.i'll ask my friend about this and let you guys know. will be waiting, the reason I fell in love with this game is because you do not beat this game, no it is not about this. You are on a quest to master the game. So much is there to learn that it feels awesome. There are times when I play against someone that I know will beat me for sure (Lax included ) but i play to try things AND see what they do so I can practice, e.g. I learned the tatsu into Ultra after playing against someone called billrizer. It was fun. and the fun goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 But even in SSF4...u can cancel (FADC) out of a HP.SRK after it delivers one hit and then do the ultra... no hp.shoryu is always better in SF4.... i just said lp is better in SSF4 because MP and HP are two hits and you cant FA out of the last hit...something like kens ...so lp is the most damaging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxlight Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 But even in SSF4...u can cancel (FADC) out of a HP.SRK after it delivers one hit and then do the ultra... yes but what shadoken means that the first hot of hp srk will do less damage compared to lp hrk.thus lp srk to ultra would be the most damaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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killroy Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Blanka's expression while blocking and backing away are full of win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 ya ya, it is from the new funny guy, it would piss if someone beats me with him and Vercetti: Lax is dead right. obviously if the HP is 2 hits than if you cancel on the first hit it will be less damage than what currently is, and so of course unless even one hit in HP SRK is MORE than LP SRK only then would you consider this to ultra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Agree to lax, Shaodken and Shoruken_king.... But if Hp.SRK-->FADC---->ULTRA is easier then its better to pull the HP.SRK then the lp.SRK with lesser accuracy. Isn't it? I need to prcctice with other characters and try playing them... For some reason...I always end up getting hit by the Blanka ULTRA whever its done while Blanka is in close range to me:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 For some reason...I always end up getting hit by the Blanka ULTRA whever its done while Blanka is in close range to me:( personal choice, though after all this I am up for a night practicing only lp srk fadc to ultra if, you are hit by Blanka then low block, most of the players forget the low block, that is why you see a lot of Kens jumping in, kinda funny at times. I love the jumping in Kens, I tiger knee them almost like spamming. It is fun though Lax/Shado: small query, I love the ex fireball into Ultra for Ryu, but somehow I can only do it in the corners, any timing problem of mine or it is only possible in corners. I did see Daigo do this to an absolutely devastated Justin in trouney final (Daigo won yeah baby ), but as far as I remember he did it mid screen, obviously he is very fast and all, but I never cam across anyone who did this except him, if it was so easy to pull off then there would be loads of people doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxlight Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 lol the lp version is not any less accurate or difficult to do! and btw vercetti,is that sf4 tournament ladder in that og website for pc users only?if thats the case then its sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 You need to do .... Ex Hadoken ->Fadc-> Ultra ... the last hit of your ultra will not hit though...it goes right through them :/ ..heres a vid of all setups ...now no more ryu talk ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Heres a list of some gameplay changes from a recent build... http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/mar/10/...hanges-mrwizard I really dunno what they are thinking with the balancing...it seems Dudley is gonna be the best character along with Sagat.....Ryu,Balrog,Blanka,C.viper all seem to stay where they are...their 2nd ultras all suck....Akuma will likely stay where he is...he can still combo off the S.HK Ken seems to suck even more...he cant combo his 2nd ultra and sakura has improved alot since her J.MK crosses up and 2nd ultra is comboable...and Bisons 2nd ultra can cross-up ...wtf!! They din nerf sagat ...they made him better WTF!! capcom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Err... When u are in the corner...U don't need to do the FADC after ex.hado for ULTRA....ex.hado and direct ultra wrk fine:) Ur timing is not correct if u are mising the ULTRA on ex.hado-->FADC-->ULTRA I try this nowadays:) while the opponents in the corner lp.lp-->c.hp-->ex.tatsu-->ex.hado-->ULTRA . Leads to 15 hits. Without the ex.hado also this leads tp 15 hits but adding the ex.hado in b/n look way cooler Lax/Shado: small query, I love the ex fireball into Ultra for Ryu, but somehow I can only do it in the corners, any timing problem of mine or it is only possible in corners. I did see Daigo do this to an absolutely devastated Justin in trouney final (Daigo won yeah baby ), but as far as I remember he did it mid screen, obviously he is very fast and all, but I never cam across anyone who did this except him, if it was so easy to pull off then there would be loads of people doing this. its for PC and xbox only:)... if u get along 15-16 players in PS3 I think then it can be held for PS3 as well nd btw vercetti,is that sf4 tournament ladder in that og website for pc users only?if thats the case then its sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Err... When u are in the corner...U don't need to do the FADC after ex.hado for ULTRA....ex.hado and direct ultra wrk fine:) right on the money boy, it works fine without FADC in corners, and I personally think it would be stupid to do it in middle screen if we need FADC, that is 2 super bars wasted for nothing Without the ex.hado also this leads tp 15 hits but adding the ex.hado in b/n look way cooler I love the part when you say it is cooler, yes it looks WAY MORE cooler with the ex hadouken in between, makes you look real bad a*s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Heres a list of some gameplay changes from a recent build... http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/mar/10/...hanges-mrwizard I really dunno what they are thinking with the balancing...it seems Dudley is gonna be the best character along with Sagat.....Ryu,Balrog,Blanka,C.viper all seem to stay where they are...their 2nd ultras all suck....Akuma will likely stay where he is...he can still combo off the S.HK Ken seems to suck even more...he cant combo his 2nd ultra and sakura has improved alot since her J.MK crosses up and 2nd ultra is comboable...and Bisons 2nd ultra can cross-up ...wtf!! They din nerf sagat ...they made him better WTF!! capcom "Trades into Ultra from Dragon Punches are gone, and most trades into Ultra from Street Fighter 4 are gone, but not all. Puts you in a floaty state, and you can't combo after wards" I hate this part, bloody hell so much for nothing, the only good news is tat Bison seems better, I have become a fan of him lately, he is super cool and if anyone missed Dudley's video, yes Wong did seem to like him, he took bloody 7 and a half minutes with him on a trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 He said trades into ultra....He still has all his setups still there.....trades are when both character gets hit..and you know they both go flying back its soo fukcing unfair that ryu can ultra of that... good thing they removed that Edit: and this is not the official list its just from one guy who tried the game for a day...we all know it takes months or even years to find out all of the characters full potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Its very use ful actuall when u are under pressure...puts u right back on top and the opponent will be afraid to come close unblocked fearing the ultra... and the whole thing eats aways 3 super and 1 revenge bar...one of the most expensive ultra setup's in SF4 right on the money boy, it works fine without FADC in corners, and I personally think it would be stupid to do it in middle screen if we need FADC, that is 2 super bars wasted for nothing HATE this...F**k CAPCOM.... although Ryu's fireball didn't do a heavy damage I liked it as it was very versatile.... but now with this gone only FADC Ultra would be mostly possible... Hate that CAPCOM also screwed KEN...bitches "Trades into Ultra from Dragon Punches are gone, and most trades into Ultra from Street Fighter 4 are gone, but not all. Puts you in a floaty state, and you can't combo after wards" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 wtf....i trades into ultra were absolutely useless in high level play....if the opponent safe jumps there is noway you are gonna trade ....only exception is dhalsim because of his long hands and about the EX-hadoken ....EX Hadoken is wayyyy more safer than Shoryuken....if you do a shoryuken and you miss ..your pretty much gonna eat the opponents ultra...If you miss shoryuken you need do fadc out of there which will take two bars....so over all ex hadoken is a viable setup....maybe not in combos but overall its very usefull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shoryuken_king Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 He said trades into ultra....He still has all his setups still there.....trades are when both character gets hit..and you know they both go flying back its soo fukcing unfair that ryu can ultra of that... good thing they removed that Edit: and this is not the official list its just from one guy who tried the game for a day...we all know it takes months or even years to find out all of the characters full potential yup you are right, and thank for explaining "trades" and finally last Ryu post from me I googled frantically to find out that it was in EVO 2009 final that Daigo did ex fireball to Ultra, It was FADC all right, but he was so bloody quick that you could not see the FADC at all (had to follow the super meter disappearing ), seriously. check for awesomeness at 1:14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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