The top 10 lies in audio

[jDaMn]

somewhere nunni just dropped a tear

Damnit, I take back what I said.. that guy really loves his Tritton Beach

and his MAG

 

DVD Audio recorded at the same bitrate won't be better than CDA. If its recorded at a higher bitrate or if the recording has less noise then it might sound better.

CDA is the most common though.

DVD-A is 24 bit vs 16 bit for CD.. that is a LOT more audio info in the file. Anyway, no one sells the stuff here

[Superfrag]

Yup, in that case it will sound better.

 

I have a couple of 24bit/96khz FLAC's songs that are ripped from vinyl, and although the volume must be increased to hear them in comparison to my 16bit/48khz FLAC's, they sound much better. Main reason is that the loudness level is lower.

[kunallkw]

Haha.. well surround sound 5.1 headphones are one of the worst things they have come up with. I've made the mistake of buying one long time back, (turtle beach one) will never get one again.( but the turtle beach was pretty decent actually. the 5.1 part was bogus though )

 

Turtle beach , isn't the name speaking enough for not buying this lame company's stuff

 

This post^ will help some people who did not read the full article.. just a couple to things to add:

 

1. I'll repeat it for anyone else reading, they are talking about decent cables vs 'premium' cables. They mention that a cable should meet basic requirements, especially for insulation.

 

2. Something new - the article says that tube amps are actually intentionally made to provide a 'warmer' signature so as to differentiate them from SS. It also says that the same effect could be achieved with SS.

 

BTW do you use DVD Audio? I'm looking for some here to check if there is any difference vs CD.

 

CC - yes, those surround sound headphones are no good compared to a good surround speaker set up

unfortunately I had to sell my speakers and move to headphones

 

How did you derive that conclusion and which headphones are you using ?

 

somewhere nunni just dropped a tear

 

please last thing i'll do is probably defend my headsets , haters wont stop existing

 

i wish these poor souls could take a demo , instead of spreading the wrong word

[Superfrag]

Guys, I think you'll are mistaken with the hate about the 5.1 headphones.

 

I'm not saying the 5.1 headphones are bad. They will be decent and some of them really good too for gaming only. What is false is the fact that they will give you a 5.1 surround sound like how 5.1 speakers give in comparison to 2.1 .

 

In the end any good stereo headphone's which are engineered to have a good soundstage and bass will give you the surround sound effect such as the AD700(lacking in bass though) for example.

[Superfrag]

Turtle beach , isn't the name speaking enough for not buying this lame company's stuff

 

I was 12-13 years old then. Turtle Beach actually sounded good to me

[jDaMn]

My cut-paste has confused point 3 - the article is saying that digital is better than analog. Anyway, have added a few more lines so that it is not so far out of context.

 

How did you derive that conclusion and which headphones are you using ?

please last thing i'll do is probably defend my headsets , haters wont stop existing

 

i wish these poor souls could take a demo , instead of spreading the wrong word

I use a JVC-SU DH1 for gaming. If you remember, you're the one who told me how to get it to India

 

I was mostly kidding about the surround headphones being useless... I'll just clarify here:

1. Some early 'surround' headphones used multiple drivers in each ear cup - this is apparently bad for sound quality. Anyway, this design is being phased out completely in favor of Dolby Headphone.

2. How a person responds to simulated surround is dependent on individual differences. I think it's called HRTF - varies from person to person. DH manages to (mostly) work despite these differences between people. However, it's not a custom solution like the Smyth realiser.

3. I like DH, I use it and recommend it to anyone who asks

 

I just said that 'true' surround sound with a good setup is better than simulated surround over two channels.

[kunallkw]

then why don't you go and sue the companies who claim to be giving true surround sound through headphones , you'll get a lot of money

 

On a more serious note , just because your junk could not render true surround sound does not mean that all the products in the bracket are so

 

you should have read a review or some before buying :

 

This little black device allows you to use any pair of 2-channel headphones to emulate Dolby 5.1 Surround Sound

 

Source

 

multiple drivers in a single cup deteriorates sound quality , needs to be on that top ten lies list aswell ... i have some of the best sounding headphones with 4 drivers in each cup , and it can kick a*s with it of some of the premium range stereo headphones .

 

you need to be educated .. Stop being stupid and dont pass silly comments on stuff u haven't tried and just read over the internet.

[jDaMn]

In the end any good stereo headphone's which are engineered to have a good soundstage and bass will give you the surround sound effect such as the AD700(lacking in bass though) for example.

The effect is much more than just soundstage. Sometimes I can't believe the sound is coming from my headphones

 

DH takes in a 5.1 signal and puts out 2 channels of what that 5.1 should sound like. The headphones are normal, it's the signal they get that is different. This is true for the Astro, TB and Tritton phones as well - they are just normal headphones hooked up to a surround sound adapter.

 

On a more serious note , just because your junk could not render true surround sound does not mean that all the products in the bracket are so

 

multiple drivers in a single cup deteriorates sound quality , needs to be on that top ten lies list aswell ... i have some of the best sounding headphones with 4 drivers in each cup , and it can kick a*s with it of some of the premium range stereo headphones .

Sorry man, didn't mean to hurt you

 

I wrote 'apparently', just because yes, I have not used multiple driver phones.

 

Umm, you know that your amazing it only does everything Tritton is just a headset hooked up to a adapter using Dolby Headphone, right? Do you think it is possible to get true surround over 2 channels? You're also getting emulated, sorry to be the one to tell you

[Phoenix Wright]

Umm, you know that your amazing it only does everything Tritton is just a headset hooked up to a adapter using Dolby Headphone, right? Do you think it is possible to get true surround over 2 channels? You're also getting emulated, sorry to be the one to tell you

 

You do realize Tritton has multiple models, don't you?

 

He owns the AXPros, he's not getting emulated Surround.

[Karooo]

Jdamn tritton axpro has DD5.1 decoder, its not emulated sound, as Kunal said stop passing off comments if you haven't tried it yet.. like the PS3.

[kunallkw]

owww gawd

 

do u need a whole diagram to be explained , please google dude ... u have some serious misconceptions about the headphone market

[Shantz]

My cut-paste has confused point 3 - the article is saying that digital is better than analog. Anyway, have added a few more lines so that it is not so far out of context.

Scientifically that can never be true..Why it comes out better though in many cases is that digital sound suffers less deterioration (or can be made up for with it).

[CarbonCore]

Jdamn tritton axpro has DD5.1 decoder, its not emulated sound, as Kunal said stop passing off comments if you haven't tried it yet.. like the PS3.

I have Sony's 7.1 headphones with 7.1 decoder unit (these ones). The headphones still have only 4 speakers (2 in each cup) and directional sound is 'emulated' by changing volume levels of each speaker. The actual space in each cup is so small that its not feasible (and effective) to add more than two speakers in each cup. So yeah, the true surround headphone is still a lie and doesn't replace real 5.1/7.1 setup with good sub.

[Phoenix Wright]

I have Sony's 7.1 headphones with 7.1 decoder unit. The headphones still have only 4 speakers (2 in each cup) and directional sound is 'emulated' by changing volume levels of each speaker. The actual space in each cup is so small that its not feasible (and effective) to add more than two speakers in each cup. So yeah, the true surround headphone is still a lie and doesn't replace real 5.1/7.1 setup with good sub.

 

So you're making a broad generalization based on one pair of headphones that you own?

[jDaMn]

You do realize Tritton has multiple models, don't you?

 

He owns the AXPros, he's not getting emulated Surround.

Yes I do:

1. Some early 'surround' headphones used multiple drivers in each ear cup

I didn't know he had the AXPros though. It is true that this method is being phased out in favor of Dolby Headphone.

 

Jdamn tritton axpro has DD5.1 decoder, its not emulated sound, as Kunal said stop passing off comments if you haven't tried it yet.. like the PS3.

Before the trolls/fanboys completely ruin this - can someone tell us why 8 drivers less than a inch from your ears do not need processing? Or why this is in any way comparable to true surround delivered over speakers? I have searched online, can't get an explanation for this.

 

Scientifically that can never be true..Why it comes out better though in many cases is that digital sound suffers less deterioration (or can be made up for with it).

Please read the article first, what is the scientific bit you have in mind?

[CarbonCore]

So you're making a broad generalization based on one pair of headphones that you own?

I'm just replying to karoo's decoder argument. Just because your decoder unit can decode 5.1 doesn't mean your headphones have proper hardware to play each individual channel.

[Phoenix Wright]

I'm just replying to karoo's decoder argument. Just because your decoder unit can decode 5.1 doesn't mean your headphone's have proper hardware to play each individual channel.

 

Oh, carry on. Karoo just picked the totally wrong thing to support his argument.

[Ne0]

are you guys saying Trittons are not true surround sound ?

[jDaMn]

are you guys saying Trittons are not true surround sound ?

AFAIK, 'true' surround sound can only be delivered through properly placed, properly spaced sources. Speakers.

 

Other approaches are an approximation. I'm still waiting for Karoo/PW/Kunal to tell us how speakers right next to the ear can deliver the exact same signal as widely spaced speakers. My guess is that there is processing involved here as well, as CC said, to manage volume changes across the drivers.

 

I don't have anything against virtual surround or headphones, love to use both.

[Ne0]

^^ ah, if what you say is true, u just saved me 10k