achilles Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 The few geeks are the ones who usually makes the suggestions to their relatives. The X10 sold well even though it wasn't that popular, the Xperia Arc and Play might even sell better among the enthusiasts, especially when HTC have also started protecting the bootloader and the eMMC strictly. If the few geeks are the only ones who care about Android, then there must be a huge number of geeks in the world. Yes, I meant "those few" only. Oh wait, looks like "few", according to you, means 40% of the world's smartphone buyers. Numbers guys, eh? All buyers don't care about buying Android. Just like when Blackberry was popular half a decade back, people also bought the "most Blackberry like devices" like the Moto Q or the Nokia E series. So many of those 40 percenters are buying the "most iPhone like device" that they find acceptable. Oh, and there are a lot of geeks in the world. Look at Twitter. It wouldn't be alive now otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 ^^ Yup. None of the android buyers care about it. iOS buyers, on the other hand, care about it so much that they are willing to pledge their first born to keep Steve Jobs healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Stryke Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Agreed. At the same time, many people who have techie friends/relatives refer to them when they need help making purchase decisions. SE is basically appealing to the enthusiast crowd as well with this decision. Average people would be unaffected before as well as after. And the average joe usually doesn't bother to read these news or surf the forums. Again, it's the enthusiast crowd that SE is appealing to here. I think the Xperia Arc and Play are pretty good phones, they're the first ones to the market after the Nexus line to have Gingerbread officially, and it seems that SE has done a much better job this time around. Agreed. As long as the phone works well, everything else is a bonus to geeks, or doesnt matter to non-geeks. Hope the timescape thing is cool, never used it. But i still feel the need for Google to make their own syncing application like RIM and iOS do. Will make non-gmail peoples' lives easier if they buy an android device. What Superfrag said in reply to your and DS' posts. There are plenty of geeks who do care, and if they were gonna go with unlocked bootloaders and had enough community support, I might one day get an SE phone as against sticking to the Nexus line when I'm looking for a phone a year or two down the line. For those who aren't geeks (by your assumption that they could care less about OS versions, bootloaders and such), SE phones should be good enough cos they work smooth on stock with their MediaScape or Timescape or whatever that interface is called. For those who're even dumber, there's always iOS as evidenced by the American masses ordering large quantities Whatever reputation SE lost was lost among the geek crowd, the kind that write reviews more than the commoner. So yeah, they do regain a bit of the same if they go the distance to unlock bootloaders. As i said to Superfrag, if the phone itself flies and works well, great. No, iOS isn't for dumber people. Please tell me an easy way to sync my outlook mail and calendar with Android. No? Or an easy way to sync my existing outlook or windows/OSX address book with Android? No! Please tell me an easy way to sync my existing music collection and apps with my phone without additional work like third party applications? No? Right! U cant broadly term someone who isn't technologically updated as "dumb" Thats a pretty stupid generalization coming from u! There are tons of people and tons of careers where computers aren't paramount nor do they need to be updated with current trends. Just because you and me are in a forum like this and visit engadget etc, that does not put us on some higher pedestal to call others "dumb" People even today make millions legitimately without probably even knowing how to send an email. Do we term them as "dumb" or less intelligent? No That is not all. Why I say this is a brilliant move is because this is a solution to the problems that carriers/OEMs face with providing warranty services with messed-with phones and hence lock them down completely for everyone. This creates a new avenue where you are giving out your IMEI and hence signing off of your warranties which makes the situation amicable for both sides. So, those who want to use their phones normally can continue to do so but those who want to mess with them don't have to waste time on hacking them and playing cat and mouse games with the OEMs in finding/patching exploits. Ah, thats the technical explanation. Cool, wasn't aware of this. Ya great move then from SE. Edited April 7, 2011 by Death Stryke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 As i said to Superfrag, if the phone itself flies and works well, great. No, iOS isn't for dumber people. Please tell me an easy way to sync my outlook mail and calendar with Android. No? Or an easy way to sync my existing outlook or windows/OSX address book with Android? No! Please tell me an easy way to sync my existing music collection and apps with my phone without additional work like third party applications? No? Right! U cant broadly term someone who isn't technologically updated as "dumb" Thats a pretty stupid generalization coming from u! There are tons of people and tons of careers where computers aren't paramount nor do they need to be updated with current trends. Just because you and me are in a forum like this and visit engadget etc, that does not put us on some higher pedestal to call others "dumb" People even today make millions legitimately without probably even knowing how to send an email. Do we term them as "dumb" or less intelligent? No While I can answer some of those questions, I shall just say "There there".. tension math.. I was replying to iChilles. Can't expect me not to poke him with an "iOS users are dumb" comment when he's making a similar generalization about Android users being limited to just geeks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achilles Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 ^^ Yup. None of the android buyers care about it. iOS buyers, on the other hand, care about it so much that they are willing to pledge their first born to keep Steve Jobs healthy. Cheap shot man. Google to make their own syncing application like RIM and iOS do. Will make non-gmail peoples' lives easier if they buy an android device. Er..that would be Google really being open. But it's not about that. Rubin would just change the definition again. As i said to Superfrag, if the phone itself flies and works well, great. No, iOS isn't for dumber people. Please tell me an easy way to sync my outlook mail and calendar with Android. No? Or an easy way to sync my existing outlook or windows/OSX address book with Android? No! Please tell me an easy way to sync my existing music collection and apps with my phone without additional work like third party applications? No? Right! U cant broadly term someone who isn't technologically updated as "dumb" Thats a pretty stupid generalization coming from u! There are tons of people and tons of careers where computers aren't paramount nor do they need to be updated with current trends. Just because you and me are in a forum like this and visit engadget etc, that does not put us on some higher pedestal to call others "dumb" People even today make millions legitimately without probably even knowing how to send an email. Do we term them as "dumb" or less intelligent? No Nah. Your explanation has to contain atleast one of "bootloader, GHz, open, open-ness, evil, tegra 2, dual core, OMAP, free, ads, open, RAM, choice, widgets, root" to make sense here. What the hell is wrong with you? Y U No Speak Android? While I can answer some of those questions, I shall just say "There there".. tension math.. I was replying to iChilles. Can't expect me not to poke him with an "iOS users are dumb" comment when he's making a similar generalization about Android users being limited to just geeks . Emo geek is emo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theneurotoxin Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Are these Android powered phones (I am talking about the SGS, specifically, here) really smart if they do not allow me to copy text from the Email app to the Messaging app? *beep* you Google & Samsung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Stryke Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I faced that issue many times. Even now, its not possible!!..Copy paste was highly irritating at one point. I think finally in Gingerbread they made it ok. I think in eclair or froyo, I never knew where the cursor is as my finger used to hide the tiny text. It frustrated me to no end. Even in the browser while editing URLs, this was painstakingly difficult. In iOS, a small zoom loupe popped out which showed me where the cursor is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Emo geek is emo. Yeah, me speaka da iOS too iChilles Edited April 7, 2011 by Gaurav - Solitaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theneurotoxin Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Tell me about it. I wasted a good 15 mins on the above menial task. Edited April 7, 2011 by ArtVandelay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhav Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Yeah, me speaka da iOS too iChilles I saw that ninja edit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 I saw that ninja edit! Well since he's doing it for SJ, why make him do it here too iChilles - "iTroll for iOS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Please tell me an easy way to sync my outlook mail and calendar with Android. No? Or an easy way to sync my existing outlook or windows/OSX address book with Android? No! Please tell me an easy way to sync my existing music collection and apps with my phone without additional work like third party applications? No? Right! Well, its pretty simple. I do all that already without any 3rd party app. Only music "syncing" isn't there. But you can simply copy your music to your device. if you really want to sync music, yes you have to use 3rd party apps for now but the new Google music will even allow music syncing over the air. I actually find google approach much easier. You buy a new phone, login with your existing google account and everything will sync to it over the air easily. No need to tether to a PC. I'd want a desktop app though if I was into gaming because they require large downloads. Er..that would be Google really being open. But it's not about that. Rubin would just change the definition again. Er.. Please enlighten us why having a proprietary desktop app to sync stuff with your phone will be more open as compared to providing built-in OTA mechanisms along with APIs for anyone else to create apps for the same on any OS instead of restricting you to even desktop platforms? Nah. Your explanation has to contain atleast one of "bootloader, GHz, open, open-ness, evil, tegra 2, dual core, OMAP, free, ads, open, RAM, choice, widgets, root" to make sense here. What the hell is wrong with you? Y U No Speak Android? What to do? In the regular world outside RDF, we don't work with MAGIC Edited April 7, 2011 by Shantz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Stryke Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 ^But how to sync my outlook address book and mail and iCal for example? It all involves using google's services as a middleman. The google sync is also wonky at times. I like having a standalone app for things than doing everything on a browser. This is why I'm saying that a proprietary app for both Mac and Windows will ease a lot of issues. Btw, the market section only tracks paid apps. Is there a way to track all the free apps you had incase of a new phone or an OS reinstall? This is why having a backup of all your apps on ur system helps. Lets say you dont have internet somewhere, in iOS, i can sync back my apps with a click. OTA is fine no doubt, but I wish Google themselves released a desktop sync app for Windows/Mac/Linux. The blackberry desktop software is a good example of how it gets all ur existing outlook and exchange settings and outlook address book onto your phone. Of course, BB also backs your contcts and settings in their servers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shantz Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) ^^ Outlook mail/contacts/calendar don't involve any google services. They connect directly to your exchange server. About syncing woes, I think there is seriously some issue with your phone as you seem to have a lot of sync, notifications, etc issues which many others including me have never faced. Probably something special to Galaxy S? But then I don't see other Galaxy S folks complaining about it. But yes, a desktop sync app in addition to the OTA mechanism would be welcome but I don't see/expect them to do it. Edited April 7, 2011 by Shantz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Wright Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Hey spin, the Desire S is here. 25.5k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Stryke Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Whats the difference between the Incredible and Desire S? Incredible has better innards and camera i think but comes with Froyo whle Desire S is launched with gingerbread. They seem too similar to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Hey spin, the Desire S is here. 25.5k Didn't he already get the HD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Stryke Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) ^^ Outlook mail/contacts/calendar don't involve any google services. They connect directly to your exchange server. About syncing woes, I think there is seriously some issue with your phone as you seem to have a lot of sync, notifications, etc issues which many others including me have never faced. Probably something special to Galaxy S? But then I don't see other Galaxy S folks complaining about it. But yes, a desktop sync app in addition to the OTA mechanism would be welcome but I don't see/expect them to do it. I dunno. Actually I dont use exchange server. If i did, then ya everything falls into place. Notifications are ok so far (?) Thing is, i have to manually add my email account into K9 mail to receive my mail. I have sync issues with calendar and contacts only as I use iCal for calendar. I only hav a personal calendar and no work calendar. Anyway, its not a big issue as I have found workarounds for both contacts and calendar (using google cal and contacts as middleman). But its not the solution I would prefer. Mail since I transferred to Google apps, the IMAP has been working great Baaki sab theek hai. GB has been good so far! I'm pretty sure its just samsung whose messed up with the RFS lag and touchwiz. I really need to spend time with an HTC incredible S or something to see if its really the galaxy only. Edited April 7, 2011 by Death Stryke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColorCodePurple Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Got the archos 7 20b ebook reader android powered.Rocks as an ebook reader but otherwise not good the lack of dev support i is sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'AL' Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 so now desire s is the 4th phone in India with gingerbread out of the box!!.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.