The Android Thread

[AtheK]

http://www.flipkart.com/nokia-asha-305/p/itmdbgayrxepjykc

[Shantz]

Apart from benchmark apps i can't really think of any app that takes advantage of all 4 Krait cores...can you?

I wasn't really commenting about the number of cores as Tegra 3 has the same number (4). The single threaded performance itself of APQ8064 is pretty good compared to T3 and so is the memory bandwidth, IPC and many other areas. T3 is a generation behind APQ8064.

[i_rock098]

 

i have Note already :|

now will u guys pls answer, ok just cancel the android phone then, good phone for 3k and 5k??

 

Nokia Asha series is really good at that price point, do check it out

[boltonfan]

 

 

Congrats bro!!!

 

btw how much is the One X+? 64 or 32gig?

Thanks man! Was going for the L- Hated it, then SP- hated it too. Finally waited for the ZR and its been worth it!

 

HTC onex x plus is 64gb and is available for 28k in local stores here!

 

Congrats, also the screen on both are pretty much the same. 64 GB you can compensate by buying a 32 GB card for cheap. 2 GB ram in ZR will serve you well in future.

Thanks Space isn't much of an issue for me. 16 gb should be enough!

 

 

 

Congrats Sire, may it serve you well.

 

Thank you

[Pushy]

http://www.flipkart.com/nokia-asha-305/p/itmdbgayrxepjykc

 

 

 

Nokia Asha series is really good at that price point, do check it out

 

i wont check it out, let him do his stuff, will just tell him to go out and check the Asha series, let him decide what suits his lady

 

thanks bro's

[pixeljunkie]

 

CPU - Tie (They're both head to head, Clock-for-Clock) -- better chipset, better GPU, better CPU, yes nothing takes advantage of it (now) but it is a more powerful package at the same price. It is like saying the new Intel Haswell line-up is redundant because it performs just ~20% more than existing Ivy-Bridge chips for the same power draw.

Display - One X+ (BE2 is no match for SLCD2 at 720p) -- Really don't see any reason why people decry SONY's screen, it is not like you go around sharing everything on your screen with your colleague or air regular 1080p RIPz on your phone in the office. Colour reproduction is fine, it may not have the deepest blacks but it gets the job done.

Build Quality - Tie (Not much to comment here)

Durability - Xperia ZR (IP58 certification speaks for itself)

Battery Life - Tie (Based on online reviews i'd say they'd both deliver with no difference) -- User replaceable makes a world of difference. I have a non-replaceable battery handset and it is a pain, you agonise over the battery more than anything else.

Camera - Tie (Personally, i think this feature is nothing more than a marketing gimmick)

In-built memory - One X+ (64gigs is really tempting)

Customization - Xperia ZR (I'm told that most of the guys responsible for customizing ROMs for the S3 have ditched the Galaxy line for Sony's Xperia) -- That is because of SONY's pro-modding stance.

Resale Value - Xperia ZR (Its brand new to the market) -- Do you keep selling your mobile every three months?

 

 

Boltonfan and myself were exchanging replies regarding the ZR, a common interest to both of us, over in the The Mobile Phone Thread. Since he wanted a quick response some half hour ago, i thought i'd help out by pitching in my research that would help boltonfan decide immediately. So chill bro

 

My research is for someone who's interested in the android platform but not a hardware wh**e primarily. Keeping that in mind

1) The average apps out there don't fully take advantage of all four krait cores and i can't tell you if any of the more popular apps like facebook, chrome, etc. will ever utilize all four cores, god forbid if they ever should.

2) The SLCD2 screen is better than that of the ZR. That's it. I think we can both agree on this.

3) You have a point here.

4) Good for future Xperia owners. Why care if Sony takes a pro-modding stance? I'm just happy that the guys working on the S2/S3 decided to move over to Xperia than just quit the modding community.

5) The ZR will fetch a better price whether it be 3, 6, 9, 12, 18, 24 months old over a One X+.

Edited June 23, 2013 by pixeljunkie

[pixeljunkie]

I wasn't really commenting about the number of cores as Tegra 3 has the same number (4). The single threaded performance itself of APQ8064 is pretty good compared to T3 and so is the memory bandwidth, IPC and many other areas. T3 is a generation behind APQ8064.

 

Real world difference is still negligible. But i'll admit that the 320 utterly crushes the ULP part. I'm guessing the 320 is Qualcomm's answer to Nvidia's 60 core T4i; might even beat it.

[Shantz]

Real world difference is still negligible. But i'll admit that the 320 utterly crushes the ULP part. I'm guessing the 320 is Qualcomm's answer to Nvidia's 60 core T4i; might even beat it.

If real world means just a few apps like twitter/fb etc for you, then one doesn't need to go for these high end phones. One would be fine even with a mid range micromax.

[pixeljunkie]

If real world means just a few apps like twitter/fb etc for you, then one doesn't need to go for these high end phones. One would be fine even with a mid range micromax.

 

Quality, durability and future support doesn't come by cheap. That's why the average user will need to shell out a pretty penny to use an average app. On the other hand entry-level phones from HTC/Sony are far better options than their equally priced yet supposedly superior counterparts from Micromax/Karbonn.

[Shantz]

Quality, durability and future support doesn't come by cheap. That's why the average user will need to shell out a pretty penny to use an average app. On the other hand entry-level phones from HTC/Sony are far better options than their equally priced yet supposedly superior counterparts from Micromax/Karbonn.

yeah, that i agree upon..

[ALPHA17]

My research is for someone who's interested in the android platform but not a hardware wh**e primarily. Keeping that in mind -- What makes you think I am a hardware *****?

1) The average apps out there don't fully take advantage of all four krait cores and i can't tell you if any of the more popular apps like facebook, chrome, etc. will ever utilize all four cores, god forbid if they ever should. -- The average application on PC's, heck gaming is also not pursuant of multi-core architecture. Every consecutive leap forward in architecture brings in better efficiency and performance per-clock. This drives up performance per-watt, efficiency, better execution of said task. So even if you compare said chips clock-per-clock the performance would be better and newer hardware means longer life. The One X+ is past its prime while the ZR is relatively new.

2) The SLCD2 screen is better than that of the ZR. That's it. I think we can both agree on this. -- To each his own, I did not brow beat you into agreeing with me, did I. Just said that in my opinion SONY stock TFT's are fine for my taste and preferred by me vis-á-vis S-AMOLED and SLCD2. If you like the hTC screen I have no quarrel.

3) You have a point here.

4) Good for future Xperia owners. Why care if Sony takes a pro-modding stance? I'm just happy that the guys working on the S2/S3 decided to move over to Xperia than just quit the modding community. -- Because once upon a time SAMSUNG and hTC had the same amazing community support, it is only once the corporates started acting all pig headed and tried to stonewall development on their devices did interest in them fall. Community support prefers to work with open standards rather than things that are bottled up and stored at the bottom of the sea level of secrecy. Go read XDA if you want to know the full story, it archives these things very well.

5) The ZR will fetch a better price whether it be 3, 6, 9, 12, 18, 24 months old over a One X+. -- Gives, any new phone will but I doubt Boltonfan is looking to sell his device so soon.

Edited June 23, 2013 by ALPHA17

[piper]

Did Alpha just claim to not be a hardware wh*re? Hmmmm...

[Shantz]

^^ The w word has pretty different connotations than an enthusiast that Alpha is.

[The Assassin]

 

Quality, durability and future support doesn't come by cheap. That's why the average user will need to shell out a pretty penny to use an average app. On the other hand entry-level phones from HTC/Sony are far better options than their equally priced yet supposedly superior counterparts from Micromax/Karbonn.

U kidding right? HTC entry level phones are terrible. They recently launched a single-core Desire U for around 14k. Moreover,it comes with ICS pre-installed.

Edited June 24, 2013 by The Assassin

[NitroNeo]

https://www.samsungindiamarketing.com/galaxys4/home.aspx

 

Good deal or should be worth waiting for snapdragon 800 model ?

After S4 Active turned out to be lame, i am skeptic how this new model will turn out, apparently it has a 4.99 inch screen :|

[Rohan Seth]

U kidding right? HTC entry level phones are terrible. They recently launched a single-core Desire U for around 14k. Moreover,it comes with ICS pre-installed.

I agree. I'd rather take Sony's entry level phones instead of HTC or Samsung,.. Sony is bringing more to the table right now...

[NitroNeo]

Refreshed Sony Xperia Z with Snapdragon 800 coming up?

 

http://www.gsmarena.com/refreshed_sony_xperia_z_with_snapdragon_800_gets_rumored-news-6265.php

 

Why not, lets make everything with snapdragon 800, samsung, sony, lg, come on HTC might as well you too

[sameuun]

snapdragon 800 can encode 4K resolution , even that on 30fps

 

 

 

Starting with the Snapdragon 600, it includes two of Qualcomm's newest Krait 300 cores, clocked at 1.9GHz. The GPU is the Adreno 320 with an increased clock speed compared to the one in the S4. The Snapdragon 600 is aimed at mid-range mobile devices.

If you want something faster, then Qualcomm has the new Snapdragon 800 for you. Running four of the latest Krait 400 CPU cores clocked at an incredible 2.3GHz, along with a brand new Adreno 330 GPU, which is said to be 50 percent faster than the Adreno 320. Thanks to all this power, the Snapdragon 800 is also capable of encoding/deciding 4K content at 30fps.

Other features include integrated 9x25 3rd generation LTE baseband, integrated 802.11ac baseband and 2x32bit LP-DDR3 at 800MHz memory with 12.8GB/s bandwidth. Both the Snapdragon 800 and 600 are based on TSMC's 28nm process.

The old Snapdragon S1-S4 series has now been rebranded and replaced by the Snapdragon 200, 400, 600 and 800 series of processors. The Snapdragon 800 and 600 are expected to arrive by the middle of the year.

 

 

source ki

[pixeljunkie]

What makes you think I am a hardware *****?

1) The average application on PC's, heck gaming is also not pursuant of multi-core architecture. Every consecutive leap forward in architecture brings in better efficiency and performance per-clock. This drives up performance per-watt, efficiency, better execution of said task. So even if you compare said chips clock-per-clock the performance would be better and newer hardware means longer life. The One X+ is past its prime while the ZR is relatively new.

2) To each his own, I did not brow beat you into agreeing with me, did I. Just said that in my opinion SONY stock TFT's are fine for my taste and preferred by me vis-á-vis S-AMOLED and SLCD2. If you like the hTC screen I have no quarrel.

3) Because once upon a time SAMSUNG and hTC had the same amazing community support, it is only once the corporates started acting all pig headed and tried to stonewall development on their devices did interest in them fall. Community support prefers to work with open standards rather than things that are bottled up and stored at the bottom of the sea level of secrecy. Go read XDA if you want to know the full story, it archives these things very well.

 

 

Hey, if it makes you fell any better than i'm a hardware wh**e myself. Never meant to diss you.

1) Considering that the giants love refreshing their line-up under a year and forcing the average end-user to buy a new one within the same period, i thought boltonfan would be better off realizing the truth on the surface than getting into the details with respect to architecture evolution and if new apps really take advantage.

2) You're forgetting Viewing Angles, Contrast, Sunlight Legibility/Contrast. The HTC One X+ wallops the ZR in all of the aforementioned. Also the screen on the HTC One X+ appears to be rendered on the glass itself.

3) Dude, there will always be a modding community whether Manufacturers decide to lock bootloaders or not. All boltonfan needs to think about right now is which phone has the best and the most support in the modding community.

 

 

U kidding right? HTC entry level phones are terrible. They recently launched a single-core Desire U for around 14k. Moreover,it comes with ICS pre-installed.

 

I agree. I'd rather take Sony's entry level phones instead of HTC or Samsung,.. Sony is bringing more to the table right now...

 

 

HTC entry-level phones are horrible either by themselves or when compared to the same from Sony. But put them up against Micromax in the same price bracket and you won't be sorry you chose HTC.

[ALPHA17]

Hey, if it makes you fell any better than i'm a hardware wh**e myself. Never meant to diss you. -- No it does not make me feel any better. As I am definitely above that level.

 

1) Considering that the giants love refreshing their line-up under a year and forcing the average end-user to buy a new one within the same period, i thought boltonfan would be better off realizing the truth on the surface than getting into the details with respect to architecture evolution and if new apps really take advantage. -- The corporates are refreshing and shuffling their options right now as well, rumoured XPERIA Z with Snapdragon 800 itself is an indication of that. Although it might not seem much to a layman but it counts in the long run when people turn around and bite your head of because you advised them to get something. Peeps buy a SAMSUNG Galaxy Ace Duos turn around and complain that it does not run any games (Temple Run / TR 2, Subway Surfers) because of its hardware limitations would have been better served if they would have sacrificed screen-space for hardware.

2) You're forgetting Viewing Angles, Contrast, Sunlight Legibility/Contrast. The HTC One X+ wallops the ZR in all of the aforementioned. Also the screen on the HTC One X+ appears to be rendered on the glass itself. -- I said to each his own, I like the TFT panel on the SONY handsets better. I don't go around whacking peeps on their heads if they like S-AMOLED or SLCD screens better.

 

Viewing angles and contrast are something I don't understand why people make an issue out of because at the end of the day I don't air 1080p movie RIPz on my handset. And no I don't view my phone from 180° side / bottom / top)

3) Dude, there will always be a modding community whether Manufacturers decide to lock bootloaders or not. All boltonfan needs to think about right now is which phone has the best and the most support in the modding community. -- And it shows, look at the Nexus / Nexu4 MOD community, then the SAMSUNG Galaxy S III community, then at the Micromax community. If he wants the one with the best MOD support, the Nexus devices and older handsets will leave anything from the current generation null and void.

 

Heck the One has a larger number of threads in its XDA Forum (I attribute this to the open ONE developer edition), more than the S 4 and XPERIA Z, tell him to get the One on this basis.