abhi90 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Guides don't ruin a game. They're perfectly fine. they may not ruin the game, but playing without a guide seems better for me, i myself have quit playing games because i know what will happen after doing this quest and you lose interest, atleast it happens with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketTantrik Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I enjoyed playing Demon's Souls far more after using the Wiki than I did before it. AFAIC, this game deserves a proper guide and we gamers should take full advantage of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM Sunny Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 agree with MT DS story/bosses aren't well established/explained. plus you still have to overcome the challenge on your own, guide just give you an extra edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I enjoyed playing Demon's Souls far more after using the Wiki than I did before it. AFAIC, this game deserves a proper guide and we gamers should take full advantage of that. Gamer like me does not need guide....you take advantage of it....i like to find my own way in the game. agree with MT DS story/bosses aren't well established/explained. plus you still have to overcome the challenge on your own, guide just give you an extra edge. yea what challenge is left after reading guide?? you just need to execute it accordingly ....where is the challenge in that...even 8year old can finish demon souls or any game ...if given a guide.... Edited November 21, 2011 by playstation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameless Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Been playing PvP for the past two days (Joined Darkwraith Covenant) and it is great fun. Getting a person to invade does seem to take a long time though (about 2-3 mins). Finding it tougher to kill some of the high level players than the bosses in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Gamer like me does not need guide....you take advantage of it....i like to find my own way in the game. yea what challenge is left after reading guide?? you just need to execute it accordingly ....where is the challenge in that...even 8year old can finish demon souls or any game ...if given a guide.... No And this game actually needs a proper premise. Agree with MT here. The manual provided is barebones without any proper explanation of the concept of Humanity and kindling. Edited November 21, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM Sunny Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 even 8year old can finish demon souls or any game ...if given a guide.... Ok. you're older than 8 right? I'll give you 2500rs + a game of your choice if you can defeat the final boss of the prinny psp game Take the help of all the guides in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketTantrik Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 yea what challenge is left after reading guide?? you just need to execute it accordingly ....where is the challenge in that...even 8year old can finish demon souls or any game ...if given a guide.... You're talking out your a*s now buddy. To each his own, let's leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 No And this game actually needs a proper premise. Agree with MT here. The manual provided is barebones without any proper explanation of the concept of Humanity and kindling. reading stories or explanation of some parts og games is one thing and taking help to guide your character or even build your character is another thing....i am talking about latter leading to ruining the game....even i could understand lot of parts of MGS whole series after actually reading from guides back story..... Ok. you're older than 8 right? I'll give you 2500rs + a game of your choice if you can defeat the final boss of the prinny psp game Take the help of all the guides in the world if you read my post ...i am talking about not using guides if you really want to game.. anyways dont need your money and a game...just tell me the name of that game and i will definitely try it if i come across that game...just to take it as a challenge....and i am pretty confident that i may take my own time but i will be able to defeat the final boss as well...and i wont even take the help of any guide ... You're talking out your a*s now buddy. To each his own, let's leave it at that. yea to each his own in the end.....enjoy the guide game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Well I'm not a "guide" person either and I can see where playstation is coming from. But for these games (Demons' and Dark Souls) I feel a guide is actually a good thing. The games are punishing and you need every bit of help you can get, especially because the game is deliberately obtuse in explaining things. Some really useful items that can save your a*s early on are hidden in the most obscure places and it's very easy to build a gimped character only to find out that it's too late to go back. So yeah I'm with MT as far as this game goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Well I'm not a "guide" person either and I can see where playstation is coming from. But for these games (Demons' and Dark Souls) I feel a guide is actually a good thing. The games are punishing and you need every bit of help you can get, especially because the game is deliberately obtuse in explaining things. Some really useful items that can save your a*s early on are hidden in the most obscure places and it's very easy to build a gimped character only to find out that it's too late to go back. So yeah I'm with MT as far as this game goes. For instance Demon's soul had a thing called the "Sticky White Stuff", and also in this game it is not possible to leave comments without a certain Item and that is never explained even referred to on passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanjosh Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Wow. It sounds like the game deliberately holds back information to make you buy the guide. If this is true, shouldn't people be up in arms about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoctor Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Wow. It sounds like the game deliberately holds back information to make you buy the guide. If this is true, shouldn't people be up in arms about it? yea this game definitely walks on that line. it's one thing to make the game hard, but they made it obscure to the point that they don't even explain basic game mechanics. first time you reach a bonfire, you won't know what half the options mean. it's not even explained in the manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Wow. It sounds like the game deliberately holds back information to make you buy the guide. If this is true, shouldn't people be up in arms about it? I think its proly coz theres a better FREE guide on the interwebz ,with tons of more info as well ....so yea nobodys forcing anyone to buy anything.... But then again am used to jumping into games without reading the manuals and stuff so i just try to figure things out the trial and error method....I have finished many games without knowing some very basic stuff about it too Also I dont think guide is necessary at all , but theres nothing wrong in using it , coz after all execution isnt exactly easy .... Edited November 21, 2011 by Shadoken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerush Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 ^ exactly, the online wiki has more info than the guide I got with demon's souls. I ended up using the wiki more than i used the guide. You definitely need a guide to know certain stuff about the game, like where to find special equipment, etc. I would never have stumbled upon certain characters if I never user the guide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhi90 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 isn't that the game's motto, to make you learn each and every thing about the game, in a hard way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I read somewhere that Demon's Sols was in its essence one of the older zelda games from the 80 s. Even in that game one had to check with other people who played the game for help with a possible location of a key item,a way to navigate the dungeons or a way to beat a certain monster. This game is very very old school in design Brutally hard, obscure Info and mind numbingly addictive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) pretty much.... games are supposed to teach you as you play...perfect example of that You dont need a guide for the game.... and at the same time theres nothing wrong in using one .... doesnt kill the experience in anyway ,its all about how you look at it and how you want to play it.. Edited November 21, 2011 by Shadoken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM Sunny Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 isn't that the game's motto, to make you learn each and every thing about the game, in a hard way? No matter how hard a game might be, at the end it boils down to predicting the pattern & muscle memory, You might know what happens next & still get owned in Demon Souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhi90 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 No matter how hard a game might be, at the end it boils down to predicting the pattern & muscle memory, You might know what happens next & still get owned in Demon Souls. or maybe it's because reading and knowing does not mean better execution? but like in a boss fight you know that you can use this strategy to kill the boss very cheaply in 2-3 kills, will you try it the hard way, i think not, atleast i won't. You know what, the tutorial boss can't be killed on the first encounter, i still tried 4-5 times then got over it, then in the next encounter you can do something that will reduce his health by over 50%, i read that part after i killed the boss the old school way, every stroke counted, and i enjoyed it more. but yes, it's not a killjoy to use the guide, it gives you an edge though, but there is something about venturing in an uncharted, unknown game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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