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playstationdude Grand Master

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@PSdude: Looking at the inane logic behind your arguments, I'm almost tempted to just ignore your comment. But I've got time so what the heck.

 

 

How is that even an excuse to come up with a bad movie?

Ohh and there are plenty of superhero movies with great storytelling.

 

 

Because there's no middle ground right? It either has to be sh*t or oscar worthy.

Classic fanboy mentality right there.

 

And I don't even have much of a problem if the script isn't that good. Movies should have at-the-very-f**king-least one single redeeming quality. Sadly with BvS, there was none.

 

 

Yes I need character development for Batman and Superman. That's what is needed for me to give a sh*t about them.

Also, learn the difference between lines and plot-lines.

 

 

 

Why was Supes so against Batman's way of dealing justice? Did he really get pissed that Batman branded a few thugs involved in human trafficking? He himself dishes out justice by pummeling people through buildings at sonic speeds. Is that not hypocritical?

Batman's motivation against Superman was plain unconvincing. It just felt like Batman had nothing better to do at his old age. You'd expect someone who is called the World's Greatest Detective to at least try to find out the truth behind what happened at the Senate. But no!

And if you're going to say that Supes caused so much destruction in MoS, then what does Batman do with his Batmobile? Again hypocritical.

The conflict felt very forced to me. They only did it so they can use "Batman v Superman" as the title.

 

The titular fight was criminally short for something that was hyped so much.

Couldn't Superman have told Batman that his mother was in danger right at the outset when he was hovering a few feet away from him?

Even the execution of the conflict resolution was bad. Batman straight up goes from wanting to impale Superman to being friends in just a matter of seconds. I get the reasoning behind this resolution but this was very poorly handled.

Also, why does Superman even call his mother Martha? Didn't he call her his "Mother" and not Martha in Man of Steel and everywhere else? What's up with that?

 

And why did Batman even leave his batarang after stealing the Kryptonite? What was the f**king point?

 

Lex's hired goons kill the Kenyan guys with guns to frame Superman. Are the people of Metropolis really so dumb that they think Superman would use guns to kill people? Apparently they are.

Also why did Lex have to carefully remove Zod's fingerprints and put them on his own fingers. Couldn't he have just used his hand directly from his body. I mean he even brought the body to the ship, didn't he?

 

Wonder Woman steals Batman's thingamajig, finds out that the data is encrypted and then returns it to him. Why did that even need to be there? Come to think of it, why was she even in the movie?

The same thing is again repeated with Lois Lane. She chucks the Kryptonite spear in some pool, goes out and then comes back in again to retrieve it and gets stuck in the pool. Why exactly was this in the movie?

Very amateurish writing. Felt like they didn't really have a script before they started shooting and were just improvising with whatever came to their mind.

 

Doomsday was just plain horrible. He did not just look like a cave troll, he was nothing more than a cave troll. Someone somewhere rightly called him a poop monster.

Even the Doomsday fight was atrocious. Felt like some 8 year old was flinging around his action figures. And that attempt at making a one-take fight scene in the knightmare sequence was embarrassingly bad and again downright amateurish. Not what you would expect from Zack Snyder and such a big budget movie.

 

That brings us to the Death of Superman. For a storyline that is so revered, did it not deserve to be handled with respect instead of being shoehorned at the end like some afterthought? Supes was so underdeveloped that I just didn't give a sh*t that he died. Heck they did not even have the balls to completely kill him in this movie. They just had to go and show the mud levitating on his coffin, didn't they?

 

It also didn't help that the movie was overstuffed. WB were really impatient to cash in on that superhero crossover trend.

 

To top it all off, the movie had some of the worst editing I have ever seen. They just shot all the scenes, threw them all randomly into a pot and came up with this mess. There's just no proper flow. Very hard to believe that this is the work of professional film-makers.

 

Ohh and that Aquaman cameo was laughably bad.

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I love how the fanboys here are deluding themselves by thinking that people are criticizing the movie for not being like a Marvel movie. Nope. People are criticizing the movie for being a big dumb shitty movie.

Ok first of all I don't have time to read all that. :P

Second , How am I reflecting a fanboy mentality here? Just because I like the movie and YOU thinks it's sh*t, I am a fanboy right?

Both their motivations for kicking each other's a*s have been clearly mentioned in the movie. You have answered your own question within the first few lines of your spoiler post. Those reasons are not realistic enough for you to believe their motivations, but you are OK with all the other stuff going around(alien with superpowers, billionaire masquerading as a vigilante, amazonian princess, etc)?

Frankly , i find that quite stupid to be honest. From what I can see you are OK believing in illogical comic book heroes but need in depth phd level logical explanation for their motivations. Wtf?

So just because I said its a comic book movie and one shouldn't try to find too much logic behind every scene I am automatically a blind fanboy? Well if common sense and being practical are acting the fanboy then I would gladly accept to being one.

Most of those plotholes you posted don't even exist in the minds a lot of people like me.

For every negative critic review out there, there are about 5 positive user reviews. That just reinforces my point. People do not go out to watch these comic book movies to perform a detailed analysis of the story. We go out to have an entertaining experience and this movie provides plenty of that.

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lol people dissecting comic book movies while applying logic.

 

@sticker which is your favorite superhero comic movie bro?

I am sure whichever movie he mentions can be dissected in very similar manner bhai..

 

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I agree with Sticker on every single thing he mentioned in the spoiler tag.

 

If you're fan of a particular superhero, say Batman and/or Superman, then you can really understand how they f**ked it up coz that kinda thing automatically comes to you and you go "WTF, that's so not how the real Batman would've done it." And you get disappointed.

 

That's exactly what Sticker has said in the spoiler tag.

 

Just like him, I was asking all these exact questions yesterday when I saw the movie :D

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How is it poor.? He is talking about the destruction and amount of lives lost..

 

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Ask yourself if you connected in anyway during the scene when Starkiller Base wiped out the Hosnian system? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have. The Republic Capital, let alone the entire Hosnian system, is a setting unlike a pivotal character/protagonist/antagonist in the star wars universe for fans to emotionally connect with. The purpose behind the destruction of the Hosnian system in the TFA plot served to portray the destructive might of the Starkiller Base.

 

On the other hand, radically changing the character/identity/persona of popular protagonists (Superman & Batman; who btw also serve as role models) and antagonists (Lex Luthor) on a whim is an insult to their legacy and their creators.

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Supes felt like a side hero in BvS..his character was underdeveloped.

 

Also LOL at people who hated it for being serious and having a dark tone.

 

 

Both Snyder and Mark Cavill have said Superman is still developing. He's not the Supes we see in the comics yet but is getting there.

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Wow seriously? Storyline and development? You did not notice the many plot holes? The many silly and cringe inducing plot-lines? The silly, childish and sometimes bordering on hypocritical character motivations? Zero character development? Nothing?

FFS i'm not even a guy who notices plot-holes unless they're blatant and in my face and even I noticed them.

 

And I haven't even gone into the myriad of non-story related problems this movie has (which I have the main issue with).

 

Again, it's totally fine if you like the movie. Good for you. But you go and call out the people who didn't like the movie by saying that they didn't want storyline and development? WTF? We simply expected to see a good movie. Is that too much to ask?

 

I won't be surprised if this movie starts being talked about in the same breath as Batman & Robin a few years down the line.

It actually makes me wonder if all the fanboys would have even defended Batman & Robin religiously if it had come out today.

 

 

 

The movie brilliant showcased Superman's identity crisis as he tries to mold himself into human society, human politics, contrasting morality with a Batman we see who is breaking on the inside and becoming into a psycopath himself.

 

What plotholes are you even talking about? I didn't see any.

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Heaven Angel Grand Master

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The Man with the Golden Gun? Live and Let Die?

 

I enjoyed all Brosnan's Bond movies. Goldeneye, Die another day, The world is not enough, Tomorrow never dies. n73RdXU.gif

Even Dalton's Licence to Kill was good.

 

Can't say one for Craig. h9x7vka.gif

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Ok first of all I don't have time to read all that. :P

Second , How am I reflecting a fanboy mentality here? Just because I like the movie and YOU thinks it's sh*t, I am a fanboy right?

Both their motivations for kicking each other's a*s have been clearly mentioned in the movie. You have answered your own question within the first few lines of your spoiler post. Those reasons are not realistic enough for you to believe their motivations, but you are OK with all the other stuff going around(alien with superpowers, billionaire masquerading as a vigilante, amazonian princess, etc)?

Frankly , i find that quite stupid to be honest. From what I can see you are OK believing in illogical comic book heroes but need in depth phd level logical explanation for their motivations. Wtf?

So just because I said its a comic book movie and one shouldn't try to find too much logic behind every scene I am automatically a blind fanboy? Well if common sense and being practical are acting the fanboy then I would gladly accept to being one.

Most of those plotholes you posted don't even exist in the minds a lot of people like me.

For every negative critic review out there, there are about 5 positive user reviews. That just reinforces my point. People do not go out to watch these comic book movies to perform a detailed analysis of the story. We go out to have an entertaining experience and this movie provides plenty of that.

 

Wow more inane arguments. I guess I now see who the target audience of BvS really is. I'm done.

 

lol people dissecting comic book movies while applying logic.

 

@sticker which is your favorite superhero comic movie bro?

 

TDK. Go crazy.

 

Just like him, I was asking all these exact questions yesterday when I saw the movie :D

 

Dude, f**k those questions. We went in with the wrong mindset. It's a comic book movie and it's got Batman and Superman. It's supposed to be dumb and stupid. F**k any semblance of a good structure, good characters, good plot or even good action.

 

The movie brilliant showcased Superman's identity crisis as he tries to mold himself into human society, human politics, contrasting morality with a Batman we see who is breaking on the inside and becoming into a psycopath himself.

 

What plotholes are you even talking about? I didn't see any.

 

Sure, whatever you say man.

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