Movie Discussion Thread

[sobbii]

 

How can anyone objectively criticize a subject without a precedent as a basis for comparison?

 

The fact that you didn't know that Baahubali was actually dancing the Tandava strongly highlights the need for objective criticism!! Otherwise we'd all let our emotions get the better of us and end up unfairly bashing the Baahubali franchise!

 

Do you realize that you're letting your emotions subjectively cloud your judgement?!

I disagree with you where you expect people to know he was doing taandav... i dont want to bring religion in this but i will say it anyway.. not everyone would know that man.. if it was even mentioned just to aware the audience that it was taandav would have been fine with me..

 

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[sobbii]

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that first movie was lame for me in first half and as per Neo, 2nd one has even more of that crap so I might not even consider it watching on tv. Will probably record it and forward to action parts. Also there was that ridiculous tattoo scene in Bahubali 1. Is there a scientific explanation for that too? That was one more pathetic cringe worthy scene.

I would suggest you watch the movies... its good one time watch.. if not much its atleast worth watching for some beautiful cinamatography..

 

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[Max Pain]

I disagree with you where you expect people to know he was doing taandav... i dont want to bring religion in this but i will say it anyway.. not everyone would know that man.. if it was even mentioned just to aware the audience that it was taandav would have been fine with me..

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Not everything has to be spoonfed though! Some films actually demand the audience to do some research prior/after watching the film. Hating blindly just by looking at the cover is silly. I am not saying Baahubali 1 is perfect coz even I felt it was over dramatical and cringey at times in the first half. Doesn't mean everything in it was nonsense!

 

Also, Big Boss, Baahubali 2 doesn't suffer from any of these issues. Drama in this is actually decent without being overly melodramatic or corny barring the comedy side of Kattapa in the beginning. But can't say how it is translated into Hindi.

[Gautam]

 

It's not you. We Indians simply lack the ability to think critically. The problem is unfortunately systemic.

 

 

 

I never meant to deny anyone their right to think and feel as they wish. But i felt a need to correct someone provided in doing so i could elevate them to a higher level of consciousness/intelligence.

 

 

 

You are right. And deep down i know this to be true.

 

But considering what was at risk, i couldn't bring myself to judge the Baahubali franchise using examples from other genres.

 

 

I felt a need to restrain certain members from unfairly criticizing the movie solely on the basis of the narrative style because there does not exist a suitable yardstick to judge the Baahubali movies on that single aspect. I felt i had to do my best to make them realize their mistake, accomplishing which would prevent them from committing the same logical fallacy in the future.

 

Not sure if you're trolling.

 

You want to restrain certain members and make them realize their mistake? You want to elevate them to a higher level of consciousness/intelligence?

 

You really would take time out of your life to do this important work? Because they didn't like a movie as much as you did? I'm sorry it's not that they didn't like the movie. It's a systemic problem with Indians that prevented them from thinking critically about a movie.

 

Please continue fighting the good fight.

Edited May 8, 2017 by Gautam

[sobbii]

Not everything has to be spoonfed though! Some films actually demand the audience to do some research prior/after watching the film. Hating blindly just by looking at the cover is silly. I am not saying Baahubali 1 is perfect coz even I felt it was over dramatical and cringey at times in the first half. Doesn't mean everything in it was nonsense!

 

Also, Big Boss, Baahubali 2 doesn't suffer from any of these issues. Drama in this is actually decent without being overly melodramatic or corny barring the comedy side of Kattapa in the beginning. But can't say how it is translated into Hindi.

Spoonfed ki baat nahi hai.. i would have never known that was taandav if not mentioned here.. like i said the demographic of audience the film catered to ia huge.. i come from a different cultural upbringing so never would have got that tandav dance.. but am sure more thn 80 viewer of the 1000 cr earmer would know that..

 

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[pixeljunkie]

Those movies are based on comic books which have established the origins and powers of the characters. These characters have years of writing behind them. Still they will explain them in brief in the movie like Superman's origin and powers were explained in MoS.

 

Regardless of the number of years, comic books are entirely based on fantasy.

 

Baahubali has been shown to possess superhuman strength. That's it. It's not as if he has an accelerated healing factor or goes around blasting projectiles with heat vision.

 

Why would you nitpick on this one tiny detail?

 

 

They will not treat it like some random fantasy like Bahubali which makes their hero powerful like He-man without any basis.

It's like dudes, this is Bahubali, a fantasy movie, so your hero and villain are superpowers with superhuman strength, don't ask us why and just look at the special effects.

 

If not hostile, then this has to be the most biased argument i've read in a while. We're talking Zodka levels of bigotry.

 

 

I disagree with you where you expect people to know he was doing taandav... i dont want to bring religion in this but i will say it anyway.. not everyone would know that man.. if it was even mentioned just to aware the audience that it was taandav would have been fine with me..

 

I never said that i expected everyone to know that it was the Tandava. I myself wouldn't have known if i hadn't watched that YT documentary clip last month. Until last month, i had no idea about the Tandava.

 

But...

 

This is where a professional, unbiased review helps.

 

 

Not sure if you're trolling.

 

Eh! No!

 

 

You want to restrain certain members and make them realize their mistake? You want to elevate them to a higher level of consciousness/intelligence?

 

You really would take time out of your life to do this important work? Because they didn't like a movie as much as you did? I'm sorry it's not that they didn't like the movie. It's a systemic problem with Indians that prevented them from thinking critically about a movie.

 

Please continue fighting the good fight.

 

I sure will.

 

But i'm no different from you. You make time to rush to the defense of the weak and the helpless. You enjoy spoiling Zodka and want him to remain the way he is. Do you get a kick out of it?!

 

Do give yourself a pat on the back for today, i.e., if you haven't already done so!

Edited May 8, 2017 by pixeljunkie

[Max Pain]

Spoonfed ki baat nahi hai.. i would have never known that was taandav if not mentioned here.. like i said the demographic of audience the film catered to ia huge.. i come from a different cultural upbringing so never would have got that tandav dance.. but am sure more thn 80 viewer of the 1000 cr earmer would know that..

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I totally understand. All the Jesus allegories in Man of Steel never occurred to me for years until I read someone criticising Zack for not being subtle because of the same reason as yours. Same with the Jolly rancher scene, Doomsday's creation, Bruce Wayne bathing, numerous shots of footsteps and wandering horses throughout Batman v Superman. I stumbled upon them on an image board one day.

 

Like Pixeljunkie said, some films should be analyzed by professionals/highly knowledged people.

[Big Boss]

Why nitpick about Heroes power? It's not a tiny thing. It's a huge part of Bahubali. Without superhuman strength whose origins aren't conveniently explained, entire movie would have ended in minutes because he could have died trying to lift that pillar alone. Without superhuman abilities, that movie looses its meaning. It's not a tiny part or a small nitpick. It's a major part of the movie. Imagine the Matrix without explanation of how Neo is powerful in Matrix. It would have fallen flat on its face.

[sobbii]

I totally understand. All the Jesus allegories in Man of Steel never occurred to me for years until I read someone criticising Zack for not being subtle because of the same reason as yours. Same with the Jolly rancher scene, Doomsday's creation, Bruce Wayne bathing, numerous shots of footsteps and wandering horses throughout Batman v Superman. I stumbled upon them on an image board one day.

 

Like Pixeljunkie said, some films should be analyzed by professionals/highly knowledged people.

Woh sahi hai.. but everyones entitled to criticize what they make of certain scene in their own knowledge.. [emoji14]

 

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[Max Pain]

Woh sahi hai.. but everyones entitled to criticize what they make of certain scene in their own knowledge.. [emoji14]

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Sure, but it might not always be correct! That's his point.

[pixeljunkie]

Why nitpick about Heroes power? It's not a tiny thing. It's a huge part of Bahubali. Without superhuman strength whose origins aren't conveniently explained, entire movie would have ended in minutes because he could have died trying to lift that pillar alone. Without superhuman abilities, that movie looses its meaning. It's not a tiny part or a small nitpick. It's a major part of the movie. Imagine the Matrix without explanation of how Neo is powerful in Matrix. It would have fallen flat on its face.

 

For an epic, fantasy movie i'm glad Rajamouli did not tailor a plot where the gods descended from the heavens to bless the royal line with Apocalyptic levels of power. The Baahubali franchise maybe a fantasy movie but it does not compete with MCU, DCU or the Matrix universe. Why would you even begin to compare the Baahubali franchise with those franchises?

Edited May 8, 2017 by pixeljunkie

[Big Boss]

 

For an epic, fantasy movie i'm glad Rajamouli did not tailor a plot where the gods descended from the heaven to bless the royal line with Apocalyptic levels of power. The Baahubali franchise maybe a fantasy movie but it does not compete with MCU, DCU or the Matrix universe. Why would you even begin to compare the Baahubali franchise with those franchises?

I am not comparing at all. I am just saying that origin of strengths of Bahubali are not explained at all which doesn't make me suspend my disbelief and makes the entire movie kind of a joke which can't be taken seriously.

However, other movies have such origins explained, however stupid must be the explanation, but at least there is some effort. This is where Bahubali falls short. I don't have a problem with people enjoying the movie, but when people harp around how logically well made that movie is, I have a problem. No amount of reasoning can mask the fact that they didn't even bother to explain how hero and villain are superhumans and can achieve feats which can be done by Marvel or DC superheroes.

[pixeljunkie]

I am not comparing at all. I am just saying that origin of strengths of Bahubali are not explained at all which doesn't make me suspend my disbelief and makes the entire movie kind of a joke which can't be taken seriously.

 

I've been where you are right now. Don't know how to convince you otherwise. Maybe after a while you'll change your mind.

 

 

However, other movies have such origins explained, however stupid must be the explanation, but at least there is some effort.

 

No the kind of rationalizing i'd resort to. It's one thing to nitpick but something altogether when you resort to this kind of rationalization.

 

 

I don't have a problem with people enjoying the movie, but when people harp around how logically well made that movie is, I have a problem. No amount of reasoning can mask the fact that they didn't even bother to explain how hero and villain are superhumans and can achieve feats which can be done by Marvel or DC superheroes.

 

The movie is based on fantasy. You can't expect a movie to be rigidly logical and still categorize it as a fantasy.

 

All i can hope is that with time you'll overlook this one tiny nitpick.

[sobbii]

 

I've been where you are right now. Don't know how to convince you otherwise. Maybe after a while you'll change your mind.

 

 

 

No the kind of rationalizing i'd resort to. It's one thing to nitpick but something altogether when you resort to this kind of rationalization.

 

 

 

The movie is based on fantasy. You can't expect a movie to be rigidly logical and still categorize it as a fantasy.

 

All i can hope is that with time you'll overlook this one tiny nitpick.

Why do.you want him or anyone for that matter to change their view or opinion.. let him have his own view how negative it might be.. you loved it he didnt its as simple as that..

 

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[pixeljunkie]

Why do.you want him or anyone for that matter to change their view or opinion.. let him have his own view how negative it might be.. you loved it he didnt its as simple as that..

 

Ok. You're right. After all that's happened, there's little point to convincing him otherwise.

[Ne0]

 

I never said it was a flawless movie. I just didn't know how to go about judging a movie like Baahubali. Only a professional film critic/journalist with decades of experience is capable of critically analysing the Baahubali movies.

 

This is now getting funny From bollywood bashing -> lacking critical thinking , the debate is taking quite a lot of turns lol !

 

BB is not some murder case that needs professionals to judge. Underneath all that visuals/graphics lies a very common brothers' fight saga which has been done to death in the past. What BB did was to package this common story in a visually appealing presentation that was better than any we've seen so far in Indian cinema. And being from south india, I've seen many movies in 60s-70s which had fantasy setting (bhairava dweepam , Patalabhairavi, mayura (kannada) and many others which I can't recollect now.

 

Note that, I'm not trying to take away the director's hard work or putting it down in any way. It's still a very well made movie and rightly deserves all the applause it's been receiving. But it does have shortcomings (all movies do), and to call anyone who points out them as "lacking critical thinking , not intelligent etc, unfit to review" is just being elitist !

Edited May 9, 2017 by Ne0

[pixeljunkie]

This is now getting funny From bollywood bashing -> lacking critical thinking , the debate is taking quite a lot of turns lol !

 

BB is not some murder case that needs professionals to judge. Underneath all that visuals/graphics lies a very common brothers' fight saga which has been done to death in the past. What BB did was to package this common story in a visually appealing presentation that was better than any we've seen so far in Indian cinema. And being from south india, I've seen many movies in 60s-70s which had fantasy setting (bhairava dweepam , Patalabhairavi, mayura (kannada) and many others which I can't recollect now.

 

Note that, I'm not trying to take away the director's hard work or putting it down in any way. It's still a very well made movie and rightly deserves all the applause it's been receiving. But it does have shortcomings (all movies do), and to call anyone who points out them as "lacking critical thinking , not intelligent etc, unfit to review" is just being elitist !

 

It does need a fair amount of in-depth study. I said Indians (which includes myself too) in general lack critical thinking. I am Indian you know.

 

 

 

I never meant to deny anyone their right to think and feel as they wish. But i felt a need to correct someone provided in doing so i could elevate them to a higher level of consciousness/intelligence.

 

Where have i implied in the above line that someone isn't intelligent?

 

How does elitist fit in to the discussion we've had so far? Feel free to unrelentingly bash in Karan Johars' head with words like nepotism and elitism hoping that it will change him. Spare my lil'old head!

 

I said this earlier and i'll say it again. Nepotism and elitism are the least of your problems up North where everyone is crying for change!

[Ne0]

 

I felt a need to restrain certain members from unfairly criticizing the movie solely on the basis of the narrative style because there does not exist a suitable yardstick to judge the Baahubali movies on that single aspect. I felt i had to do my best to make them realize their mistake, accomplishing which would prevent them from committing the same logical fallacy in the future.

 

Please speak for yourself, maybe you lack critical thinking and comprehension. The above post completely reeks of elitism on your behalf. Before you conclude that someone made a mistake, why not introspect yourself and see that perhaps it's you who is failing repeatedly to understand the basic fact that movies are a personal experience and everyone has a right to put forth their opinion. It's one thing to disagree, and another thing to shove your thinking down others throats.

 

 

It does need a fair amount of in-depth study. I said Indians (which includes myself too) in general lack critical thinking. I am Indian you know.

 

 

 

 

Where have i implied in the above line that someone isn't intelligent?

 

How does elitist fit in to the discussion we've had so far? Feel free to unrelentingly bash in Karan Johars' head with words like nepotism and elitism hoping that it will change him. Spare my lil'old head!

 

I said this earlier and i'll say it again. Nepotism and elitism are the least of your problems up North where everyone is crying for change!

 

Do you even comprehend what others write ? What has karan johar / bollwyood got to do with our discussion on bb review ? You talk of problems in bollywood, and when I highlighted similar problems down in south film industry, you just diverted the topic. Now you again bring it up ? Man, first decide what you want to debate upon. Don't just keep jumping across topics.

 

BTW, making a sweeping comment saying all Indians lack critical thinking is being both elitist and a snob. If all Indians lacked it, perhaps they wouldn't be leading / managing plum roles in fortune 500 companies across the world. So again, speak for yourself, don't impose your views (or lack thereof) on others !

[Star Lord]

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[Ne0]

EoT was one of the most underrated sci-fi movies .... and one of my top favs in the time travel genre .... but did it really need a sequel ? Hmmm.....