Walker Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Wow. Just wow. @Panda seen your post in the why you awake thread. This conspiracy good enough for ya? Edited June 4, 2017 by Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixeljunkie Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Wow. Just wow. @Panda seen your post in the why you awake thread. This conspiracy good enough for ya? Congratulations! Your wife will now reward you by re-scheduling her timetable! Edited June 4, 2017 by pixeljunkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Guys, Yeh bohat hi sahi film hai....educating and respecting women....did not knew where to post it but may be you guys can share it with teens in your family.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Pain Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Wow. Just wow. @Panda seen your post in the why you awake thread. This conspiracy good enough for ya? Sounds interesting desu! Edited June 4, 2017 by The Panda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) I was excited about Wonder Woman even though hype started wearing off on me since last month. My expectations fit in with the vision that Jenkins and Snyder had for Wonder Woman. That's probably the reason why i was able to spot a hidden message. Jenkins very clearly sent a feminist message in the scene towards the end where Diana is standing in the middle, bathed in light, surrounded by men embracing each other. This scene is right after she kills Ares. While the death of Ares signals the end of aggression/misogyny, Trevor's death signals the end of rationality/monogamy. And Wonder Woman, representing women, emerges after to lead all of mankind into a new era. After all, if it weren't for Trevor, Diana would've killed Ludendorff thus saving the villagers. In short, Trevor, the genuine good guy, was holding back Diana (women) from doing good (achieving their full potential). This is a very strong feminist message that Wonder Woman (2017) is sending out. You have a point with the spoilered part. However it was a very subtle message and that kind of imagery exists in most superhero movies, most notably in Superman films. Also despite all her efforts during the movie we know mankind still succumbs to the evil in their hearts as there's another World War and many years of death and war after that. It actually takes the efforts of other MEN (Superman and Batman) to get Wonder Woman back into action and fight for mankind. At the beginning of BvS she has pretty much given up on fighting and simply wants to erase all evidence of her existence. So yes, if there was a feminist message in the film, it wasn't in your face until go digging into subtext for it. For most it was a simple superhero tale where the hero happened to be a woman. I'm not very sensitive to this topic and I actually liked that we finally have a great female led superhero film especially since Hollywood had hit rock bottom with stuff like Catwoman. Edited June 4, 2017 by Tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 AFAIK there is no World War 2 in DC comics universe. It happens on Earth Two but not on current earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixeljunkie Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) You have a point with the spoilered part. However it was a very subtle message and that kind of imagery exists in most superhero movies, most notably in Superman films. Also despite all her efforts during the movie we know mankind still succumbs to the evil in their hearts as there's another World War and many years of death and war after that. It actually takes the efforts of other MEN (Superman and Batman) to get Wonder Woman back into action and fight for mankind. At the beginning of BvS she has pretty much given up on fighting and simply wants to erase all evidence of her existence. We're talking about the potential impact of the Wonder Woman movie on its own and not as part of DCEU. I didn't just not like Snyder's idea of drawing parallels between Superman and Christ in BvS:DoJ. I thought it was absolutely repulsive. But i did like BvS:DoJ after some 3~4 rewatches. Tell me where in MCU does Whedon elevate any of the superheros to the levels of Christ? Plus BvS:DoJ released It may seem like an insignificant message to us men. But it's a very powerful message guaranteed to leave a strong impression on women. So yes, if there was a feminist message in the film, it wasn't in your face until go digging into subtext for it. For most it was a simple superhero tale where the hero happened to be a woman. I'm not very sensitive to this topic and I actually liked that we finally have a great female led superhero film especially since Hollywood had hit rock bottom with stuff like Catwoman. Like i said, while it may seem like an insignificant message to us men, it really is a very powerful message that will resonate strongly with women. And you'll understand how scary this message is only when you've witnessed first-hand the kind of self-destructive pattern of behaviour that women are capable of. Edited June 4, 2017 by pixeljunkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 ‘Wonder Woman’ Conquers the Domestic Box Office With Heroic $100.5 Million Patty Jenkins now holds the banner for the best domestic opening for a female director, topping “Fifty Shades of Grey’s” Sam Taylor-Johnson ($85.1 million). Before “Wonder Woman,” Jenkins’ only feature was “Monster” — an Academy Award winner that she made more than a decade ago with an $8 million budget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Salman Khan says he isn’t 10% of the star Rajesh Khanna or Kumar Gaurav were “Star wise if you think we guys have the popularity then (it is not true)... I think there is no one bigger than Rajesh Khanna and other was Kumar Gaurav. I have seen the stardom of both and it was unbelievable. So, when there is comparison about stardom I feel we don’t even have 10% of it.” http://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/salman-khan-says-he-isn-t-10-of-the-star-rajesh-khanna-or-kumar-gaurav-were/story-5eOtZJCOh6p3IWgmAlz1aM.html Kumar Gaurav was such a big star?.....i don't think so....correct me if i am wrong but he has hardly seen even moderate success in most movies he has done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushy Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 kiska baat sunn raha hain bhai tu bhi :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 AFAIK there is no World War 2 in DC comics universe. It happens on Earth Two but not on current earth. I'm not sure about that either but there are alternate universes where the outcome of the war was different or the war didn't happen at all. Although I'm 90% sure it did happen in the mainline universe. We're talking about the potential impact of the Wonder Woman movie on its own and not as part of DCEU. I didn't just not like Snyder's idea of drawing parallels between Superman and Christ in BvS:DoJ. I thought it was absolutely repulsive. But i did like BvS:DoJ after some 3~4 rewatches. Tell me where in MCU does Whedon elevate any of the superheros to the levels of Christ? Plus BvS:DoJ released It may seem like an insignificant message to us men. But it's a very powerful message guaranteed to leave a strong impression on women. Like i said, while it may seem like an insignificant message to us men, it really is a very powerful message that will resonate strongly with women. And you'll understand how scary this message is only when you've witnessed first-hand the kind of self-destructive pattern of behaviour that women are capable of. A few things: Synder isn't the only one did the whole Superman / Christ parallels. Richard Donner did it first and some comics do that too. Synder just made it super obvious in MoS and later in BvS, I'm expecting it again in JL. I agree with you and I am not too fond of the parallels either. Joss Whedon doesn't call the shots in the MCU, Kevin Feige does. Whedon was only involved in the first Avengers and AoU (where he actually had conflicts with the studio over the direction of the movie). As a whole though the tone of the MCU is very different so there's little subtext or metaphors. All I'm saying is that the shot after the final battle is something movies and comics do quite often. I'm not sure how to respond to the final sentence but it sounds bitter and judgmental. Perhaps there's something personal here that I'm not aware of and I respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 No I just checked, in Golden age of DC comics Superman captures Hitler before WW2 started and forms league of Nations. WW2 happens on Earth Two and there were Justice Society DC comics in that storyline. Regarding Kumar Gaurav, he was a HUGE star after his first movie's success. Remember Hritik craze during Kaho na pyar hai release when all females went crazy? Kumar Gaurav had 10x that craze after his first movie Love Story was released. After that first movie he flopped continuously though. People expected same to happen with Hritik as he too had a string of flops but he survived and became a bigger star. Kumar Gaurav only had chocolate look, but Hritik had better personality, better actor and overall a well rounded star who has got what it takes to become Bollywood superstar. Amir Khan and Juhi Chawla had similar fandom during QSQT release, but not at same level. Actually Juhi Chawla became more famous than Amir Khan during that time. And yeah, Rajesh Khanna was the first and biggest superstar of Bollywood. He had the country on fire. Amitabh Bacchan was the closest that came near him but Rajesh Khanna was something else. Almost every movie was guaranteed hit, both critically and commercially. My Dad was a huge fan, he told me almost everyone in college had hairstyle like him and were his fans lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 No I just checked, in Golden age of DC comics Superman captures Hitler before WW2 started and forms league of Nations. WW2 happens on Earth Two and there were Justice Society DC comics in that storyline. Hmmm, this implies otherwise. Then again comics retcon stuff all the time. DC is especially notorious with all it's Crisis events and resets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Congratulations! Your wife will now reward you by re-scheduling her timetable! Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixeljunkie Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Joss Whedon doesn't call the shots in the MCU, Kevin Feige does. Whedon was only involved in the first Avengers and AoU (where he actually had conflicts with the studio over the direction of the movie). As a whole though the tone of the MCU is very different so there's little subtext or metaphors. All I'm saying is that the shot after the final battle is something movies and comics do quite often. Ok. Maybe i wasn't being fair. To be honest, MCU owes it success to a lot of people. It would help if you did a little research into the history of MCU. You could start here. I'm not sure how to respond to the final sentence but it sounds bitter and judgmental. Perhaps there's something personal here that I'm not aware of and I respect that. I gave it a lot of thought before i decided to voice my views. I knew this would happen but i don't blame anyone for thinking so. There are a few more scenes. For example, the scene where Diana sees Steve naked for the first time. Diana looks unnaturally serious in his presence. Steve then starts behaving like a clown when his state of undress dawns on him. Diana doesn't even so much as smirk at his clownish behaviour let alone flinch. Was that a role reversal? Or a show of dominance? Then there's the scene on the boat where unperturbed Diana cajoles clownish Steve to sleep next to her. Another role reversal? Before Jenkins (or some feminist) complains that they knew all along that reversing roles would attract criticism, then i will remind you that there is just as much proof indicating that Jenkins & Snyder did not have Gadot, regardless of her acting pedigree, cut through the tension either. If i were to put on my tin-foil hat then i'd say that the movie humiliates the nice guy in gentle strokes; the same guy whom feminists believe to be their greatest weakness? Edited June 4, 2017 by pixeljunkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Ok. Maybe i wasn't being fair. To be honest, MCU owes it success to a lot of people. It would help if you did a little research into the history of MCU. You could start here. Sure it does but your earlier post made it sound like Whedon was the man behind the MCU being what it is. Snyder for example has more control over the DCEU than Whedon did. I gave it a lot of thought before i decided to voice my views. I knew this would happen but i don't blame anyone for thinking so. There are a few more scenes. For example, the scene where Diana sees Steve naked for the first time. Diana looks unnaturally serious in his presence. Steve then starts behaving like a clown when his state of undress dawns on him. Diana doesn't even so much as smirk at his clownish behaviour let alone flinch. Was that a role reversal? Or a show of dominance? Then there's the scene on the boat where unperturbed Diana cajoles clownish Steve to sleep next to her. Another role reversal? Before Jenkins (or some feminist) complains that they knew all along that reversing roles would attract criticism, then i will remind you that there is just as much proof indicating that Jenkins & Snyder did not have Gadot, regardless of her acting pedigree, cut through the tension either. If i were to put on my tin-foil hat then i'd say that the movie humiliates the nice guy in gentle strokes; the same guy whom feminists believe to be their greatest weakness? It's fine, you have your views, I have mine. Let's leave it at that. All I can is that human beings are capable of very bad things regardless of gender, religion, race, sexuality etc. I'm not sure how a movie having a powerful female character is "dangerous". I just don't see it that way. EDIT: Ended up deleting a chunk of my post. I see this debate heading in a very uncomfortable direction, and that wasn't my intention. Let's agree that we have differing views and leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixeljunkie Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Sure it does but your earlier post made it sound like Whedon was the man behind the MCU being what it is. Snyder for example has more control over the DCEU than Whedon did. Actually Whedon gifted our generation Buffy The Vampire Slayer. MCU will never top that! All I can is that human beings are capable of very bad things regardless of gender, religion, race, sexuality etc. I'm not sure how a movie having a powerful female character is "dangerous". I just don't see it that way. EDIT: Ended up deleting a chunk of my post. I see this debate heading in a very uncomfortable direction, and that wasn't my intention. Let's agree that we have differing views and leave it there. Human beings include both sexes - man and woman. I got excited about Wonder Woman (2017) ever since i watched the 3rd trailer released in March (i think). I was looking forward to Diana and the Amazonians in action. Jenkins & Snyder did a wonderful job of bringing Themyscira to life. The action choreography turned out to be everything that i'd hoped for. I enjoyed the movie for the first 40 minutes, roughly. But that was it. I don't know who would scare you out of this conversation. I guess it is for the best if i continue making observations on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobbii Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Kumar Gaurav was such a big star?.....i don't think so....correct me if i am wrong but he has hardly seen even moderate success in most movies he has done.... Ladkiya maarti thi kumar gaurav pe.. its a different story his films flopped.. also salman khan really admires him i remember watching one of his interview he said that this giving nature of his is somthing he picked from kumar gaurav.. Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Actually Whedon gifted our generation Buffy The Vampire Slayer. MCU will never top that! True... and Firefly. Still the MCU is a much bigger cultural phenomenon. I never would have thought characters like Ant-Man, Doctor Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy would one day become household names. I'm really excited about the Whedon Batgirl movie (if it actually happens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsh1387 Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Ladkiya maarti thi kumar gaurav pe.. its a different story his films flopped.. also salman khan really admires him i remember watching one of his interview he said that this giving nature of his is somthing he picked from kumar gaurav.. Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk Ya I remember that interview. He said I was a newcomer and didnt had good pair of branded jeans to wear, kumar gaurav who was a superstar that moment saw it and sent him a full bundle of brand new jeans.. he was very touched by that gesture.. Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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