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1 hour ago, STICK3Rboy said:

 

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The entire exposition-heavy talk show scene at the end where the Joker explains his motivations and even all his character traits.

The twist where it is revealed that his crush was never with him at all. They had to go and show a few scenes she was in and show her disappearing to "make us understand" that she was never really there.

The part where he explains why he ends up calling himself "Joker".

The bit where he has to point out to the midget that he's letting him go coz he was the only one nice to him.

 

 

 

 

I would have to disagree with you a bit over here


 

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1) Joker is not just nice to those who are nice to him. He spares Midget on a whim. This is seen from when he killed his "Imaginary Girlfriend". This is not explicitly shown, but just after the scene where it's revealed his relationship with her is imaginary, and he leaves her apartment and goes back to his own - you can see police sirens blaring. Implication here is she is killed, although she has literally done nothing.

 

2) The entire talk show exposition is a scam. At that point he is already beyond caring. As he said before "His whole life is a comedy, not a tragedy". He was never interested in killing Bill Murray for revenge. He simply wanted to go on a talk show and cause the riots further throughout the city to intensify. He knew the city was already on the keg, and he knew exactly what to say to make it burst.

 

3) The above point is further proved at the very end of the movie. Watch how the police tell him that he's a freak and caused all this (seeing the riots). And see how he responds. Phoenix's acting in this very last line is what cements him as one of the best Jokers. He responds, very innocently - without even understanding what's happening and caring - "I Know; Isn't it beautiful?"

 

4) The absolute end of the movie - where Joker stands up on top of the crashed police car and dances in front of the rioteers - that's the exact audience he wanted. That part was what validated his entire life.

 

5) As I said, you have to see the body language throughout the movie - to notice Arthur Fleck's gradual increasing madness.When the muggers took his signboard - he was normal. When Randall planted the gun on him for his job - normal but angry. Mother's Thomas Wayne confession - angry but hopeful later; All interactions with Thomas Wayne - Just Hopeful but getting a bit angry towards the end; Killing those 3 execs on train - Just angry but not snapped; Mother got sick and Bill Murray mocked him - Beginning of snapping; Mother's Madness Confirmation and Imaginary GF - Final Snapping and beginning of Joker (With Joker's Makeup); Rising up on the Car to the applause - Joker is cemented forever


 

 

Of course, this is my opinion and yours might be different. 

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9 minutes ago, Sach4life said:

I don't think it was meant for the audience at all. It was pretty evident through out, and the only reason why they did it because it made sense foe the character. Yes, i absolutely think it made sense for him to talk so much and explain everything at this point when he has just turned into a Joker. It made total sense in my opinion. Had it been 2 years after he turned one, i would have agreed with your point.

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Yeah it made sense. I think he realised how powerful he was when he gave in to his insanity and wanted the glory. 

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45 minutes ago, roun90 said:

 

I would have to disagree with you a bit over here


 

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1) Joker is not just nice to those who are nice to him. He spares Midget on a whim. This is seen from when he killed his "Imaginary Girlfriend". This is not explicitly shown, but just after the scene where it's revealed his relationship with her is imaginary, and he leaves her apartment and goes back to his own - you can see police sirens blaring. Implication here is she is killed, although she has literally done nothing.

 

2) The entire talk show exposition is a scam. At that point he is already beyond caring. As he said before "His whole life is a comedy, not a tragedy". He was never interested in killing Bill Murray for revenge. He simply wanted to go on a talk show and cause the riots further throughout the city to intensify. He knew the city was already on the keg, and he knew exactly what to say to make it burst.

 

3) The above point is further proved at the very end of the movie. Watch how the police tell him that he's a freak and caused all this (seeing the riots). And see how he responds. Phoenix's acting in this very last line is what cements him as one of the best Jokers. He responds, very innocently - without even understanding what's happening and caring - "I Know; Isn't it beautiful?"

 

4) The absolute end of the movie - where Joker stands up on top of the crashed police car and dances in front of the rioteers - that's the exact audience he wanted. That part was what validated his entire life.

 

5) As I said, you have to see the body language throughout the movie - to notice Arthur Fleck's gradual increasing madness.When the muggers took his signboard - he was normal. When Randall planted the gun on him for his job - normal but angry. Mother's Thomas Wayne confession - angry but hopeful later; All interactions with Thomas Wayne - Just Hopeful but getting a bit angry towards the end; Killing those 3 execs on train - Just angry but not snapped; Mother got sick and Bill Murray mocked him - Beginning of snapping; Mother's Madness Confirmation and Imaginary GF - Final Snapping and beginning of Joker (With Joker's Makeup); Rising up on the Car to the applause - Joker is cemented forever

 

 

Of course, this is my opinion and yours might be different. 


 

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1. Like I said, that dialogue actually kind of disservices the movie itself.

 

2. If he is already beyond caring, why does he care to justify himself to the world? And at that point in the movie, I don't think it is ever even implied that he wants to further the unrest and riots in the city. Can you give me an example where this is implied? If you remember, he didn't even know the protests were going to take place on that same day. 

Joker, in this movie, doesn't even come across as someone who can be manipulative enough to intentionally cause chaos in the whole city. He didn't give a damn about what happens in the city. He only gave a damn about himself. He only wanted to go to the talk show and blow his own head off. He instead killed Murray in the heat of the moment and unwittingly became the hero of the riots.

 

3. At this point, he has realized that he unwittingly caused all this chaos and was brought into the limelight which he obviously loved. And no, just because he enjoyed what he unintentionally caused doesn't mean he wanted to cause it in the first place.

 

4. I agree but it is pretty obvious what he wants. And like I said, he already spelled it out in the exposition scene. But yeah, that moment gave me goosebumps.

 

5. Agree with his increasing madness (it isn't exactly as subtle as you seem to think it is) but it's the simple, juvenile and frankly quite lazy reasons behind it which rob it of its potential greatness. 

 

 

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On 10/3/2019 at 10:59 PM, dante77 said:

Saw Hobbs and Shaw and loved every moment of it. Would love a sequel.

 

Hmm, I found 1st half watchable but 2nd half got boring. The who Samoan thing was meh and felt slow. The plot was bad but not watching for it but still very poor job there.

 

Rock oozes charisma as always. Very much liked Statham. Their chemistry is good and hoping to see another movie with them together. 

 

Idris is smoking. Oof. Bummer how he always failed though. 

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Hmm, I found 1st half watchable but 2nd half got boring. The who Samoan thing was meh and felt slow. The plot was bad but not watching for it but still very poor job there.
 
Rock oozes charisma as always. Very much liked Statham. Their chemistry is good and hoping to see another movie with them together. 
 
Idris is smoking. Oof. Bummer how he always failed though. 
Yeah. But I enjoyed it as a mindless action fun. First half was indeed much better. Still, cheesy action movie at its best.
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39 minutes ago, dante77 said:

Yeah. But I enjoyed it as a mindless action fun. First half was indeed much better. Still, cheesy action movie at its best.

 

Any chance you watched Stuber? If so how it is? 

 

 

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Saw Joker. How is this movie reviewing well? It is such a pile of "i am 14, my parents and teachers are stupid and I like linkin park" edgelord trash. :lol: 

 

The cinematography is fantastic and that's about it. The director even manages to waste someone as talented as Joaquin Phoenix and I thought that was impossible. 

 

"Ok so this scene is critical, he has just killed someone. What do you want me to portray? Rage in his eyes? A deadly calm? Ecstasy?"

"No, no. Just dance."

.............

"Are you for real?"

"Yeah yeah. Dance. Just move your hands. Like this."  \o/      \o\       /o/

.........

 

This is like a bastard child of Taxi Driver and King of Comedy directed by Micheal Bay. Just save yourself some money and watch those two far superior films. 


We really do live in a society. :rofl: 

 

 

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Saw it last night. It is a very arty take on Joker. The joker or all the movies before this have been about the madness, violence and insanity. It really doesnt come through in this one, at least how it reached to those points. Phoenix is brilliant and what he did after Heath Ledger, no one else could I think. At the end of it, I went good but not great. 

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saw few trailers

 

The Lighthouse - brilliant, can't wait for it

Lal Kaptaan - interesting, amazing transformation of one saif from 'o wow' guy to a serious actor, need to see these, had some brilliant lines in the trailer

Birds of Prey - pretty good

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14 hours ago, Aftrunner said:

Saw Joker. How is this movie reviewing well? It is such a pile of "i am 14, my parents and teachers are stupid and I like linkin park" edgelord trash. :lol: 

 

The Joker character was already kind of a poster-child of edgy teens everywhere. DC has really nailed that demographic with this movie.

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