Bulovski Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 no no no no - no Matrix discussions again. It will be visiting 6 years ago - the flying emails, the discussions, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arun360 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 That's how I used to feel about it until some time back. Agreed some of the dialog is brilliant (Love Agent Smith's monologue while he's trying to break Morpheus) But after repeated viewings some of it comes across as heavy handed and unconvincing (Neo convincing Trinity why he believes he can bring Morpheus back; Even the whole Oracle conversation bit; and all the "He's the one" "He's not the one" back and forth). I don't know, maybe I'm just over-analyzing. You are over-analyzing. The Matrix is more than just scifi. It has a lot of noir, eastern and B-movie influences. Some of the dialogue is intentionally corny. I totally disown the sequels. They took themselves too seriously and sullied the classic that was the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john117 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Never let it be said that a remake cant be better than the original. this one beats that in badassery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed4476 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Watched "The Matrix" for the 279th time yesterday. The action and sfx in this movie are truly timeless. But after so many watches I'm finding some of the dialogue to be really cheezy. Also, no matter how you dissect the story, some of the plot points make no sense. Still, it is head and shoulders above the awful sequels. I really liked the sequels , especially the matrix revolutions....... I really loved the way, philosophy and Indian mythology was inculcated with the plot, if u are really into such stuff u will really love the movie. The triology could have been finshed in a better way, but i enjoyed the 3 parts. watch the movie from a philosophical point of view, u will be able to draw some parallels to the current world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godspeed4476 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 this one beats that in badassery Indian superman and Spiderwomen singing songs and dancing in the skies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gautam Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I really liked the sequels , especially the matrix revolutions....... I really loved the way, philosophy and Indian mythology was inculcated with the plot, if u are really into such stuff u will really love the movie. The triology could have been finshed in a better way, but i enjoyed the 3 parts.watch the movie from a philosophical point of view, u will be able to draw some parallels to the current world. That is what was wrong with the movies. They weren't really science fiction anymore. With all the philosophy, Indian mythology and biblical undertones they took one of the best sci-fi stories and turned it into a mish-mash of fantasy and preachy soap opera. The best thing about the first movie was that there was a certain amount of believability to it. Well, maybe not. But there was logic and explanation for most of the plot points. All that went out of the window for the sequels and we were left with serious sounding philosophical mumbo-jumbo that we were expected to understand and make sense of. Just a few examples: Q: How the f**k can Neo control machines in the real world? A: Oracle - "The power of the one exists beyond the source" Q: How the f**k can Agent Smith exist in the real world? A: Smith - "There is no place I can't go" And trust me, I so wanted to like the sequels. I read up on all the analysis of the plots where people came up with one weird theory after another. And again what's the point of that? These are not David Lynch movies. They nailed it perfectly with the first one. How could they mess up the formula completely with the sequels? The memories still pain me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imalreadyfor Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I agree... Throwing in religion and philosophy in the MaTRIX universe was such a curse...! *paradox intended* The movie came close to the BS Bollywood offers in its B grade Horror movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 That is what was wrong with the movies. They weren't really science fiction anymore. With all the philosophy, Indian mythology and biblical undertones they took one of the best sci-fi stories and turned it into a mish-mash of fantasy and preachy soap opera. The best thing about the first movie was that there was a certain amount of believability to it. Well, maybe not. But there was logic and explanation for most of the plot points. All that went out of the window for the sequels and we were left with serious sounding philosophical mumbo-jumbo that we were expected to understand and make sense of. Just a few examples: Q: How the f**k can Neo control machines in the real world? A: Oracle - "The power of the one exists beyond the source" Q: How the f**k can Agent Smith exist in the real world? A: Smith - "There is no place I can't go" And trust me, I so wanted to like the sequels. I read up on all the analysis of the plots where people came up with one weird theory after another. And again what's the point of that? These are not David Lynch movies. They nailed it perfectly with the first one. How could they mess up the formula completely with the sequels? The memories still pain me +1. But I liked reloaded. The finale (revolutions) was the worst of the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) I'm with Godspeed here... I absolutely love the Matrix sequels. This topic can be discussed to death and haters will still hate them and the few hardcore fans will still defend them. I spent a better part of 2003/2004 doing that so I speak from experience. I do agree that they did not have the same appeal as the first one and tried too hard to be intelligent (the Architect scene being the prime example). I still remember the WTF look on people's faces as we were leaving the theater after Reloaded. Gautam's argument is pretty valid too. A lot of things weren't explained satisfactorily especially since fans spent months speculating over them. Also the Revolutions theatrical trailer pretty much gave away the entire plot. I chose to be spoiler-free and never watched any of the trailers before the movie came out so I did not know what to expect. What I can't stand however is people watching these movies once (or twice) and immediately dismissing them as "crap". Edited August 5, 2009 by Tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyofx Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 The Matrix taught me that the best course of action when faced with total annihilation of everyone on Earth is to have a sweaty rave party \m/ HEARRR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achilles Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 the first matrix is still one of my favs of all time. te other two were good too...but nothing except monica belluci really caught my eye..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achilles Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'm with Godspeed here... I absolutely love the Matrix sequels. This topic can be discussed to death and haters will still hate them and the few hardcore fans will still defend them. I spent a better part of 2003/2004 doing that so I speak from experience. I do agree that they did not have the same appeal as the first one and tried too hard to be intelligent (the Architect scene being the prime example). I still remember the WTF look on people's faces as we were leaving the theater after Reloaded. Gautam's argument is pretty valid too. A lot of things weren't explained satisfactorily especially since fans spent months speculating over them. Also the Revolutions theatrical trailer pretty much gave away the entire plot. I chose to be spoiler-free and never watched any of the trailers before the movie came out so I did not know what to expect. What I can't stand however is people watching these movies once (or twice) and immediately dismissing them as "crap". cause & effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabba Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 the first matrix is the only one worth a rewatch... might even warrant a blu-ray purchase at a later stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 ^^ reloaded was equally good. The bike chase sequence is breathtaking , atleast the first time i saw it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 What I can't stand however is people watching these movies once (or twice) and immediately dismissing them as "crap". Well, who would want to watch a movie again if they disliked it in the first place ? And I'll bet 90% of the audience went there to watch all those glitzy special effects and didn't give a damn about the story. Can't expect everyone to be a nerd .... can we ? And you really need to be one to truly appreciate the matrix movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Agreed. Maybe I put it incorrectly. Most of the people who complain about the sequels are bonafide geeks. In fact the average joe moviegoer wouldn't bother to have lengthy fights over this topic anyway. Also, many great movies don't exactly grab you on the first viewing (The Matrix trilogy, Donnie Darko, The Prestige, Jacob's Ladder, Fight Club, Bladerunner etc). It's only after multiple viewings will you be able to pick up on the little things that make them stand apart from other movies. With that said, I agree that the Matrix sequels were way too much for a normal moviegoer. Anyone who isn't into anime, cyberpunk, eastern philosophy would definitely not get what the brothers were trying to do. Edited August 5, 2009 by Tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulovski Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 The Matrix was great - I think what appealed was the simple storyline combined with kickass visuals. The next two just became too complicated to follow, and the ending made you think - a cardinal sin for the action movie goer. anyways - I prefer to watch the first one, and the sequels as action flicks. Also, Ghost in the Shell (the movie) pwns Matrix completely. IMO taking the Architect out of the whole movie would actually make it much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john117 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 The Matrix was great - I think what appealed was the simple storyline combined with kickass visuals. The next two just became too complicated to follow, and the ending made you think - a cardinal sin for the action movie goer. anyways - I prefer to watch the first one, and the sequels as action flicks. Also, Ghost in the Shell (the movie) pwns Matrix completely.IMO taking the Architect out of the whole movie would actually make it much better. +1 The conversation between Kusanagi and Batao on Boat ,where she wonders what makes us human , this conversation/monologue blows away the architect confrontation to smithereens . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabba Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Also, many great movies don't exactly grab you on the first viewing (The Matrix trilogy, Donnie Darko, The Prestige, Jacob's Ladder, Fight Club, Bladerunner etc). It's only after multiple viewings will you be able to pick up on the little things that make them stand apart from other movies. ?? matrix One, prestige, fight club are good to go with one seethrough... haven;t seen donnie darko, jacob;s ladder, bladerunner matrix 2 n 3 i found a lil too far-fetched.... 3 being worse than 2 i woul;d opt to watch parts of those tow again.... maybe.... *shrugs shoulders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 POP Movie http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/princ...sia/index2.html U can see the Dagger of time Plus 2 new Pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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