The TV Decision Making Thread

[Bird Bird Bird]

12 minutes ago, adity said:

This is a terrible way to go about it. Should go for incentives rather than restrictions. No ones gonna setup a new plant for say OLED TVs when the market itself is so small. Maybe they'll go for some assembly sweatshop loophole idk. 

Also, what's up with these LG TVs. I was checking out the cheaper TVs and even the more expensive Nanocell ones and they have refresh rate of 50 Hz. That's such bullshit 

LG does OLED locally. Factory in Pune. 

[PhantomShade]

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

 

FFS, what a shitty move

 

30 minutes ago, DinJo said:

With the ban on importing color television in India now would be good to see whether Samsung and LG increase there prices 

 

6 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

This is an extremely shitty move especially when we have almost 0 local production. Why not ban import of mobiles and PC components so that we can all use jio phones and use Shakti processors instead of intel/amd

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3 minutes ago, adity said:

This is a terrible way to go about it. Should go for incentives rather than restrictions. No ones gonna setup a new plant for say OLED TVs when the market itself is so small. Maybe they'll go for some assembly sweatshop loophole idk. 

Also, what's up with these LG TVs. I was checking out the cheaper TVs and even the more expensive Nanocell ones and they have refresh rate of 50 Hz. That's such bullshit 

 

 

My dudes what rock do y'all live in 

 

TV's from the Big 3 ( Samsung, LG ,Sony ) have been assembled here from atleast 2013( my LG FHD 32 inch ye Olde TV says Made in India on the back ).

 

TVs are like high volume items like mobile phones, white good/appliances with big bucks duties since forever, even before Make In India PR blitz, so all the big wig TV brands already have either their own factories or factories owned by CM/OEM to assemble TVs here( Including Xiaomi who make TVs now through Foxconn wtf  )

 

The Panel/Screen, Motherboard, Power Supply, Casing(maybe, not sure though ) all imported from other countries, Panel/Screen maybe from Korea and Taiwan and Japan, the other items from the Glorious Middle Kingdom.

 

Only models imported are i think the uber high end 1.5 lakh plus models, where big bucks duties and customs don't make much of a difference, either to the sales of the TV, or the bottom line of the companies, because very low volume 

 

In this times of India article below it says that prices are unlikely to be affected https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/government-licenses-tv-imports-to-support-local-production/articleshow/77274188.cms

 

This is compared to all the Apocalyptic pronouncements Big 3 were making  when the sarkar put 5% duty on "Open Cell Panels"  i.e your TV screen without the back-lighting component.

Like Samsung threatened to shut their assembly line of TVs in Noida when this news came, because 5% duty would make their assembly operation financially untenable, or rather they can easily import finished TV's, all packaged and ready for retail from their HUGE Export Oriented factories in Vietnam, because India has FTA with Vietnam

 

This is one more of the Modi Sarkar's tricks to keep hitting Cheeni and vassals like Vietnam in his balls  that is his industry and business, We have FTA with Vietnam, so Chinese companies can sneak in their TVs and Phones as Made in Vietnam to India for 0 duties and taxes afaik.

 

 

 

[PhantomShade]

2 minutes ago, adity said:

I just checked that 35% of TVs are imported. Way less than I expected. 

 

You know Kodak also makes TVs now?

Of the 2rs budget-we-compete-with-chinese variety, but even then.

Even being a small brand in context of TVs

They have an Indian OEM/CM partner who makes the TVs and puts Kodak brand on them to be sold in the market

 

 

[PhantomShade]

Only brands to be smacked in the face with this are the Chinese pseudo state owned ones like Haier and TCL, the smarter business-man run ones like Xiaomi already got Foxconn or someone to manufacture their extremely cheap TVs right here in India for sale in Indian market, to evade duties and taxes on import of finished and packaged TVs.

 

[Snake]

TCL makes some good TVs, but they never show up here

[PhantomShade]

10 minutes ago, Snake said:

TCL makes some good TVs, but they never show up here

 

Price wise do they compete with the Big 3, afaik in general LG is the cheapest, Sony most expensive, and Samsung is in-between.

Although i suspect in 1 lakh plus OLED, QLED etc level they all match in terms of price?

[i_rock098]

 
 
My dudes what rock do y'all live in 
 
TV's from the Big 3 ( Samsung, LG ,Sony ) have been assembled here from atleast 2013( my LG FHD 32 inch ye Olde TV says Made in India on the back ).
 
TVs are like high volume items like mobile phones, white good/appliances with big bucks duties since forever, even before Make In India PR blitz, so all the big wig TV brands already have either their own factories or factories owned by CM/OEM to assemble TVs here( Including Xiaomi who make TVs now through Foxconn wtf  )
 
The Panel/Screen, Motherboard, Power Supply, Casing(maybe, not sure though ) all imported from other countries, Panel/Screen maybe from Korea and Taiwan and Japan, the other items from the Glorious Middle Kingdom.
 
Only models imported are i think the uber high end 1.5 lakh plus models, where big bucks duties and customs don't make much of a difference, either to the sales of the TV, or the bottom line of the companies, because very low volume [emoji38]
 
In this times of India article below it says that prices are unlikely to be affected https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/government-licenses-tv-imports-to-support-local-production/articleshow/77274188.cms
 
This is compared to all the Apocalyptic pronouncements Big 3 were making  when the sarkar put 5% duty on "Open Cell Panels"  i.e your TV screen without the back-lighting component.
Like Samsung threatened to shut their assembly line of TVs in Noida when this news came, because 5% duty would make their assembly operation financially untenable, or rather they can easily import finished TV's, all packaged and ready for retail from their HUGE Export Oriented factories in Vietnam, because India has FTA with Vietnam
 
This is one more of the Modi Sarkar's tricks to keep hitting Cheeni and vassals like Vietnam in his balls  that is his industry and business, We have FTA with Vietnam, so Chinese companies can sneak in their TVs and Phones as Made in Vietnam to India for 0 duties and taxes afaik.
 
 
 

Dude all budget tvs are rebranding of Chinese models. Not everyone has the money to drop on Samsung, LG etc especially considering that good models of these brands cost extremely high. My 18k TCL TV is as good as mine 50k Samsung and this I am talking about just in FHD space. If you go to 4k space 40k Samsung 4k tvs have absolutely garbage picture quality compared to similarly priced Vu tv which are hisense rebrands. Sony does not even play in the budget 4k category. The gorgeous Samsungs, sonys and the linke are all 80k+. These Chinese tvs provided a really good picture quality in a budget price. Not to mention Xiaomi 4k tvs are the sole reason for the rise in popularity of 4k tvs in India. If it was not for them you would still be watching 1080p on 50 inch tvs from Samsung.

Guess someone else is living under a rock [emoji38]

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12 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

If you go to 4k space 40k Samsung 4k tvs have absolutely garbage picture quality compared to similarly priced Vu tv which are hisense rebrands. Sony does not even play in the budget 4k category. The gorgeous Samsungs, sonys and the linke are all 80k+. 
 

 

Will disagree there. I use a Samsung 4K TV from 2014, and the quality still holds. A lot of my mates have bought these cheeni brand 4K TVs in the past year or two, and the quality is BS imo. 

Sure, I spent quite a bit money on it, but is MADE IN INDIA. My 32 inch FHD TV from LG is also Made in India. 

 

The market which is affected are the cheaper 1080p and 4K TVs that you see on amazon/fk, and indian make tvs will replace those. 

Its not like there aren't options at all. 

[i_rock098]

 

 

 

Will disagree there. I use a Samsung 4K TV from 2014, and the quality still holds. A lot of my mates have bought these cheeni brand 4K TVs in the past year or two, and the quality is BS imo. 

Sure, I spent quite a bit money on it, but is MADE IN INDIA. My 32 inch FHD TV from LG is also Made in India. 

 

The market which is affected are the cheaper 1080p and 4K TVs that you see on amazon/fk, and indian make tvs will replace those. 

Its not like there aren't options at all. 

 

It depends a lot on the chini bini brand that you buy. If you go for ultra cheap ones like Kodak, Fortex, Kevin and the others they are really bad. Compared to that if you buy mid range Chinese brands like 40k Vu, Mi etc the picture quality is much better than a 40k Samsung TV. There is a reason why in this thread itself these midrange tv are so damn popular.

 

But ofcourse you don't have to take my word for it. Check out the reviews which compare these mid range tvs, you will understand the difference yourself. And i say this as an owner of both Chinese & Korean tvs.

 

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[Bird Bird Bird]

Well, in honesty, we would still be stuck on 60k 1080p TVs had it not been for the Chinese intrusion. That DID get the TV prices down (Vu was in India forever, but was always known as the budget brand, and couldn't get the big 3 to move prices down alone). 

Hisense is now making OLED panels, and I hope we will get cheaper OLED TVs. 

[North]

34 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

It depends a lot on the chini bini brand that you buy. If you go for ultra cheap ones like Kodak, Fortex, Kevin and the others they are really bad. Compared to that if you buy mid range Chinese brands like 40k Vu, Mi etc the picture quality is much better than a 40k Samsung TV. There is a reason why in this thread itself these midrange tv are so damn popular.

 

Not at the same price range. I'm comparing it to more expensive TV units from Samsung/LG. Sure it'll cost more to buy from a better brand made in India, but you're getting your money's worth with picture quality. A 55 inch TV from cheeni brands might cost 40K, but from Samsung or LG (not OLED) will cost you 65k but it will definitely be better, or thats my review on it at the very least.

 

I use a 55 inch 4K Samsung TV and its most definitely better than similarly rated products from Mi/Thomson/VU/other cheeni brands available on Amazon.

Yes, pay more but for a better product.

 

I'd say its not a bad move. If a person is willing to buy a TV to watch the latest content on premium subscription services like Netflix, Hostar Disney Plus or Prime in 4K on a moderately well sized TV, I'm sure that person can afford to a spend a bit more and get an Indian make TV from big 3 brands. Its not like he's getting ripped off either, the premium that he pays is worth the money in the long run. 

[PhantomShade]

1 hour ago, i_rock098 said:

 

 

Dude all budget tvs are rebranding of Chinese models. Not everyone has the money to drop on Samsung, LG etc especially considering that good models of these brands cost extremely high. My 18k TCL TV is as good as mine 50k Samsung and this I am talking about just in FHD space. If you go to 4k space 40k Samsung 4k tvs have absolutely garbage picture quality compared to similarly priced Vu tv which are hisense rebrands. Sony does not even play in the budget 4k category. The gorgeous Samsungs, sonys and the linke are all 80k+. These Chinese tvs provided a really good picture quality in a budget price. Not to mention Xiaomi 4k tvs are the sole reason for the rise in popularity of 4k tvs in India. If it was not for them you would still be watching 1080p on 50 inch tvs from Samsung.

Guess someone else is living under a rock

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This is an extremely shitty move especially when we have almost 0 local production. 

 

>0 local production

 

I'm not surprised someone who buys the cheapest cheeni brands has no clue about what exists beyond the 30k price range, or where it is made, price is king i guess

 

>Magical 18K TCL TV

 

I guess the picture quality does improve a lot when you pay 18k, 

 

and seriously LG isn't expensive, it's affordable( their UM7300 43 inch was going for like 45k on amazon, now it has vanished  , it has IPS panel 4K, HDR10, HLG and their WebOS thing ), idk about how Samsung is, Sony is the expensive one 

 

Ah yes, Xiaomi TVs maybe popular, which is why they have an assembly line here and advertise it practically in any media article, can't say that much for other no name cheeni brands( OnePlus brand TVs again may have already an assembly line here who knows, they have for Oppo Vivo phones etc. ).

 

F*ck these chor "Indian" brands selling rebadged Cheeni maal like Vu, Micromax, Lava, Karbonn, and same to these TCL  Haier type state owned fronts, Sarkar did nothing wrong

 

Set up assembly line or GTFO

 

 

35 minutes ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

Not at the same price range. I'm comparing it to more expensive TV units from Samsung/LG. Sure it'll cost more to buy from a better brand made in India, but you're getting your money's worth with picture quality. A 55 inch TV from cheeni brands might cost 40K, but from Samsung or LG (not OLED) will cost you 65k but it will definitely be better, or thats my review on it at the very least.

 

I use a 55 inch 4K Samsung TV and its most definitely better than similarly rated products from Mi/Thomson/VU/other cheeni brands available on Amazon.

Yes, pay more but for a better product.

 

I'd say its not a bad move. If a person is willing to buy a TV to watch the latest content on premium subscription services like Netflix, Hostar Disney Plus or Prime in 4K on a moderately well sized TV, I'm sure that person can afford to a spend a bit more and get an Indian make TV from big 3 brands. Its not like he's getting ripped off either, the premium that he pays is worth the money in the long run. 

 

Most people buy TV, Fridge, AC, Washing Machine all these appliance type items with expectations that it should last a long time, and even if it doesn't there should be a proper CS system to help them get their appliance repaired/replaced.

 

How do you think these Cheeni brands make their items so cheap

Getting quality parts for the appliance, Indian assembly line, having a proper CS network/repair centres/warranty replacements, all cost money.

 

Big 3 have been here for almost 2 decades now, and both Samsung LG ramped up their investment here since approx 2010 i think and have established QC, Customer Support etc, i mean unironically certain people buy Sony TV's even now irrespective of the inflated price because holdover of it being a "Good Brand" from the CRT Trinitron TV era

 

1 hour ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

Well, in honesty, we would still be stuck on 60k 1080p TVs had it not been for the Chinese intrusion. That DID get the TV prices down (Vu was in India forever, but was always known as the budget brand, and couldn't get the big 3 to move prices down alone). 

Hisense is now making OLED panels, and I hope we will get cheaper OLED TVs. 

 

Doctor sahib source please?

You seem very knowledgeable in all this, like i knew LG makes TVs here, but i always assumed their factors is somewhere in the south, not Pune.

 

[i_rock098]

Well, in honesty, we would still be stuck on 60k 1080p TVs had it not been for the Chinese intrusion. That DID get the TV prices down (Vu was in India forever, but was always known as the budget brand, and couldn't get the big 3 to move prices down alone). 
Hisense is now making OLED panels, and I hope we will get cheaper OLED TVs. 

Exactly, we would still be in stone age if not for these Chinese brands. Both in the TV & Mobile segment.

Don't know why some still think of Chinese brands as inferior quality. In the mobile space Oneplus & Asus both Chinese/Taiwanese are top notch in terms of quality and give the established brands a run for the money.

Same in the TV market. Somehow people assume all Chinese brands are like those 10k Kodak tvs. When in fact TCL & HiSense tv are rated very well even in the west. The high rated Vu tvs most people recommended here are HiSense tvs which are really good quality at affordable price.

Thanks to this compititon the entire segment is moving ahead. Like you mentioned with HiSense launching Oled panel it must have been the first time Oled would break the 1L barrier.

 
Not at the same price range. I'm comparing it to more expensive TV units from Samsung/LG. Sure it'll cost more to buy from a better brand made in India, but you're getting your money's worth with picture quality. A 55 inch TV from cheeni brands might cost 40K, but from Samsung or LG (not OLED) will cost you 65k but it will definitely be better, or thats my review on it at the very least.
 
I use a 55 inch 4K Samsung TV and its most definitely better than similarly rated products from Mi/Thomson/VU/other cheeni brands available on Amazon.
Yes, pay more but for a better product.
 
I'd say its not a bad move. If a person is willing to buy a TV to watch the latest content on premium subscription services like Netflix, Hostar Disney Plus or Prime in 4K on a moderately well sized TV, I'm sure that person can afford to a spend a bit more and get an Indian make TV from big 3 brands. Its not like he's getting ripped off either, the premium that he pays is worth the money in the long run. 

You know the funny thing the 40k cheeni brands are actually better than the 65k Samsung/LG. All tv look good individually, it's only when you compare them side by side can you tell the difference. There are dedicated review channels which compare these tv with the Samsung ones and even they say what I wrote above. That's why I asked in my previous post to check the reviews.

Like I mentioned in this post TCL & HiSense are rated very well even in the west.

Also like bird mentioned they are the reason for better quality and price in TV. Do you really think Samsung will sell those 70k tv at 70k without any competition? Ofcourse no, with Chinese tvs being banned Samsung will just charge 90k now for the exact same TV because there is no competition to force the prices down. This should worry you even if you have zero intrest in the Chinese brands.

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1 minute ago, i_rock098 said:

Also like bird mentioned they are the reason for better quality and price in TV. Do you really think Samsung will sell those 70k tv at 70k without any competition? Ofcourse no, with Chinese tvs being banned Samsung will just charge 90k now for the exact same TV because there is no competition to force the prices down. This should worry you even if you have zero intrest in the Chinese brands.

 

 

I think it will have the opposite effect. Sure Samsung might ramp up their prices if they dominate market, its only natural.

At the same time, they will produce TVs in that lower price segment as well without competition from cheeni brands, which offer lucrative specs which sounds good at surface level only.

 

Most people spending big money on TV prefer to go with name brands (big 3), this will also happen to lower price bracket now.

I'd much rather spend 10k more on Samsung TV then let the cheeni f**kers take over completely.

 

I'm not one of those idiots who goes like lets ban all chinese things immediately, thats impossible. Indian alternatives have to be available at moderately decent prices and other factors, but at the same time I feel the need for change. I needed to buy a mouse a week back, and legit could not find even one indian made mouse. My budget was 2K and I was willing to bump it to 5K for indian make and whatever extra buttons/features that would come along with it, but no options. 

 

My point was that people who spend 70k on TVs can also afford to spend 80-85k for an indian made better product, thats all.

Satisfied with Samsung's customer care as well too  

[i_rock098]

10 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not surprised someone who buys the cheapest cheeni brands has no clue about what exists beyond the 30k price range, or where it is made, price is king i guess

 

 

 

 

Lol was that an attempt to personal attack me? You need help my friend. Have a good day.

[PhantomShade]

7 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

 

 

Exactly, we would still be in stone age if not for these Chinese brands. Both in the TV & Mobile segment.

Don't know why some still think of Chinese brands as inferior quality. In the mobile space Oneplus & Asus both Chinese/Taiwanese are top notch in terms of quality and give the established brands a run for the money.

Same in the TV market. Somehow people assume all Chinese brands are like those 10k Kodak tvs. When in fact TCL & HiSense tv are rated very well even in the west. The high rated Vu tvs most people recommended here are HiSense tvs which are really good quality at affordable price.

Thanks to this compititon the entire segment is moving ahead. Like you mentioned with HiSense launching Oled panel it must have been the first time Oled would break the 1L barrier.



You know the funny thing the 40k cheeni brands are actually better than the 65k Samsung/LG. All tv look good individually, it's only when you compare them side by side can you tell the difference. There are dedicated review channels which compare these tv with the Samsung ones and even they say what I wrote above. That's why I asked in my previous post to check the reviews.

Like I mentioned in this post TCL & HiSense are rated very well even in the west.

Also like bird mentioned they are the reason for better quality and price in TV. Do you really think Samsung will sell those 70k tv at 70k without any competition? Ofcourse no, with Chinese tvs being banned Samsung will just charge 90k now for the exact same TV because there is no competition to force the prices down. This should worry you even if you have zero intrest in the Chinese brands.

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There are still Xiaomi and OnePlus branded TV's, the OnePlus over-company( BKK Electronics ) is/was basically an OEM or something, so they can set up a line for the TVs easily, and now they will

The point here is to shut down direct imports from China or Chinese finished goods disguised as Vietnamese to take advantage of the FTA, if you run an assembly line here directly or through CM/ODM/OEM they won't bother you.

 

Your TCL, Haier, VU, Micromax etc are begone tho  , 

 

[North]

1 minute ago, PhantomShade said:

 

There are still Xiaomi and OnePlus branded TV's, the OnePlus over-company( BKK Electronics )

 

 

BBK is also the parent company of Oppo and Vivo right?

I know some people who own Oneplus handsets, but I tell them this fact and they get all defensive because I said OnePlus, Oppo and Vivo all in the same sentence lol

 

No offense intended if you own any of the above ^^

[PhantomShade]

3 minutes ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

I think it will have the opposite effect. Sure Samsung might ramp up their prices if they dominate market, its only natural.

At the same time, they will produce TVs in that lower price segment as well without competition from cheeni brands, which offer lucrative specs which sounds good at surface level only.

 

Most people spending big money on TV prefer to go with name brands (big 3), this will also happen to lower price bracket now.

I'd much rather spend 10k more on Samsung TV then let the cheeni f**kers take over completely.

 

I'm not one of those idiots who goes like lets ban all chinese things immediately, thats impossible. Indian alternatives have to be available at moderately decent prices and other factors, but at the same time I feel the need for change. I needed to buy a mouse a week back, and legit could not find even one indian made mouse. My budget was 2K and I was willing to bump it to 5K for indian make and whatever extra buttons/features that would come along with it, but no options. 

 

My point was that people who spend 70k on TVs can also afford to spend 80-85k for an indian made better product, thats all.

Satisfied with Samsung's customer care as well too  

 

Samsung is going to make low and mid-range TV's through non-Samsung OEMs though, earlier they used to be made in one of Samsung' factories in Noida, basically outsourced now.

 

Btw you should see the SSD market, Samsung SSD's are easily 3-5k more expensive than the competition.

 

Also dude people who cross the 60K mark would rather pour money into Big 3 TV, because impression of quality item, good customer service etc, if you are spending the biggest of bucks, you will want a robust product backed with good CS, it is only natural.

 

People don't expect quality or price at like the sub 30K range, because i guess that isn't all that much money.

[Bird Bird Bird]

24 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

 

Doctor sahib source please?

You seem very knowledgeable in all this, like i knew LG makes TVs here, but i always assumed their factors is somewhere in the south, not Pune.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oled-info.com/lgd-starts-supply-oled-tv-panels-chinas-hisense%3famp

 

Now, the shocker:

Spoiler

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techradar.com/in/amp/news/exclusive-hisense-is-ditching-oled-tvs-for-good

 

 

I had no idea. 

 

19 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

Same in the TV market. Somehow people assume all Chinese brands are like those 10k Kodak tvs. When in fact TCL & HiSense tv are rated very well even in the west. The high rated Vu tvs most people recommended here are HiSense tvs which are really good quality at affordable price.

Thanks to this compititon the entire segment is moving ahead. Like you mentioned with HiSense launching Oled panel it must have been the first time Oled would break the 1L barrier

The US TCL TVs are very different from Indian TCL. Here, it's basically sh*t. The CC is non existent, and you're paying a lottery with your money on getting a good panel, and things working after 3-4 years. 

My first thought 3 years back when I was scouting for a decent 4k TV was to check the Mi TV, and I was stoked for OP TV. When I viewed them IRL, it was disappointing to say the least. The PQ was worse than my 2014 bought FHD 43 inch LG, and the speakers were holy sh*t hell bad. 

That's when I said f**k it, and started looking at better options. At least for me, I buy a TV for a long time, 6-8 years or even more. Need excellent PQ. Panasonic's OLED are a class apart, man. I think they cherry pick the OLED panels from LG. FFS, they looked better than LG (who supplies them the panels. Lol). 

The hisense deal, well, check spoiler above. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Bird Bird Bird

[i_rock098]

Just now, PhantomShade said:

 

There are still Xiaomi and OnePlus branded TV's, the OnePlus over-company( BKK Electronics ) is/was basically an OEM or something, so they can set up a line for the TVs easily, and now they will

The point here is to shut down direct imports from China or Chinese finished goods disguised as Vietnamese to take advantage of the FTA, if you run an assembly line here directly or through CM/ODM/OEM they won't bother you.

 

Your TCL, Haier, VU, Micromax etc are begone tho  , 

 

 

Not replying to someone who uses personal attacks for arguments. Have a good day.