The TV Decision Making Thread

[PhantomShade]

1 minute ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

BBK is also the parent company of Oppo and Vivo right?

I know some people who own Oneplus handsets, but I tell them this fact and they get all defensive because I said OnePlus, Oppo and Vivo all in the same sentence lol

 

No offense intended if you own any of the above ^^

 

Yes same parent company.

Very nice strategy this is, people don't know  it's the same company running 3 brands  

 

This BBK Electronics makes a whole lot of things( including TV's, not branded tho ) apart from phones for different brands in China and SEAsia, that is how their phones are cheap and VFM, even flagship brands like OnePlus.

 

[North]

Just now, PhantomShade said:

Btw you should see the SSD market, Samsung SSD's are easily 3-5k more expensive than the competition.

 

Also dude people who cross the 60K mark would rather pour money into Big 3 TV, because impression of quality item, good customer service etc, if you are spending the biggest of bucks, you will want a robust product backed with good CS, it is only natural.

 

People don't expect quality or price at like the sub 30K range, because i guess that isn't all that much money.

 

1. Yeah, I'm not into PC building for a couple of years now, but I see every damn person on the internet recommending use of Samsung's T5 SSDs or M.2 SSDs. Not sponsored, but people who have the money buy it.

Maybe better/free data recovery services? Idk, but they're selling well despite the price disadvantage over Adata or WD and etc brands so must be something.

Samsung has its own niche.

2. That is exactly what I said. People who spend more money on TVs prefer the big brands because of reliability. Time to bring that factor to lower price bracket when these cheeni brands leave our markets.

3. What I said ^^

 

 

 

[Bird Bird Bird]

7 minutes ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

BBK is also the parent company of Oppo and Vivo right?

I know some people who own Oneplus handsets, but I tell them this fact and they get all defensive because I said OnePlus, Oppo and Vivo all in the same sentence lol

 

No offense intended if you own any of the above ^^

BBK is OnePlus, Oppo, Vivo, Realme and IQOO. Plus OEMs for a shitton of other products. 

[playstationdude]

Seems Reliance is planning to launch TVs I guess.

3 hours ago, i_rock098 said:

This is an extremely shitty move especially when we have almost 0 local production. Why not ban import of mobiles and PC components so that we can all use jio phones and use Shakti processors instead of intel/amd

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Most lg and samsung tvs are produced locally.

[PhantomShade]

5 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oled-info.com/lgd-starts-supply-oled-tv-panels-chinas-hisense%3famp

 

Now, the shocker:

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techradar.com/in/amp/news/exclusive-hisense-is-ditching-oled-tvs-for-good

 

 

I had no idea. 

 

The US TCL TVs are very different from Indian TCL. Here, it's basically sh*t. The CC is non existent, and you're paying a lottery with your money on getting a good panel, and things working after 3-4 years. 

My first thought 3 years back when I was scouting for a decent 4k TV was to check the Mi TV, and I was stoked for OP TV. When I viewed them IRL, it was disappointing to say the least. The PQ was worse than my 2014 bought FHD 43 inch LG, and the speakers were holy sh*t hell bad. 

That's when I said f**k it, and started looking at better options. At least for me, I buy a TV for a long time, 6-8 years or even more. Need excellent PQ. Panasonic's OLED are a class apart, man. I think they cherry pick the OLED panels from LG. FFS, they looked better than LG (who supplies them the panels. Lol). 

The hisense deal, well, check spoiler above. 

 

Most people buy TV as a long term investment bro, it's not just you.

Afaik only Mobiles and long ago PC's used to have some insanely fast 1-2 year upgrade cycle, like literally better products coming out every year for good price points.

 

I really thought cheeni brand somehow acquired the tech to make OLED panels,  instead of LG just selling it to them.

Afaik only 4 companies make most of the panels used in TV/Monitors, Samsung, LG, Sharp( owned by Foxconn now ) and AU Optoelectronics of Taiwan

[PhantomShade]

5 minutes ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

1. Yeah, I'm not into PC building for a couple of years now, but I see every damn person on the internet recommending use of Samsung's T5 SSDs or M.2 SSDs. Not sponsored, but people who have the money buy it.

Maybe better/free data recovery services? Idk, but they're selling well despite the price disadvantage over Adata or WD and etc brands so must be something.

Samsung has its own niche.

2. That is exactly what I said. People who spend more money on TVs prefer the big brands because of reliability. Time to bring that factor to lower price bracket when these cheeni brands leave our markets.

3. What I said ^^

 

 

 

 

Long ago in ancient times, other brand SSDs were sh*t.

Samsung used to give the very best performance for barely 1-2k more compared to other brands, maybe because samsung makes it's own flash chips and ssd controller chip.

So they had industry leading sales.

So now they have got overconfident and increased prices like they are Apple or Sony

Thankfully other manufacturers have got good so performance difference is not that much, Crucial/Micron SSDs now have the price/performance sweetspot crown

[North]

Just now, Bird Bird Bird said:

BBK is OnePlus, Oppo, Vivo, Realme and IQOO. Plus OEMs for a shitton of other products. 

 

6 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

 

Yes same parent company.

Very nice strategy this is, people don't know  it's the same company running 3 brands  

 

Exactly. People don't like to associate OnePlus with the rest, because its in the more premium segment in terms of phones, but hey, like it or not its the same company. 

The OnePlus TV got a bunch of sales last month for this reason. People have grown to associate OnePlus with more premium segment who provide more VFM. 

That could have been the trigger. Either way, lets see where this goes, I personally think it was a good idea

Had to happen sooner or later

 

 

[North]

2 minutes ago, PhantomShade said:

So they had industry leading sales.

So now they have got overconfident and increased prices 

 

PS5 reference? 

[PhantomShade]

8 minutes ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

PS5 reference? 

 

Nope

 

Meanwhile if anyone else thinks that Modi Sarkar stopped you from buying your 25k 4K Cheeni TVs and now everyone else will be forced to boost prices this article should assuage your fears 

 

TV Imports Restricted By India, But That Does Not Mean Your Next TV Will Be More Expensive

 

 

Meanwhile OnePlus TVs are also Made in India, so this is around 5 brands confirmed with Made in India TV sets, probably more if the urge to sell TVs and make money is present in the remaining companies.

All you have to to is go to a Chinese OEM having a plant here and tell them to start an assembly line for you, at the start it will probably be expensive but still better than trying to get a permission from Govt.

 

ONEPLUS PARTNERS WITH SKYWORTH TO MANUFACTURE TVS IN INDIA

 

We also have a LAHGE MAHKET, like China or Indonesia so it is better that we flex it to attain any national industrialization objectives we may have, stop giving free lunches to foreign companies who have to capabilities to manufacture here.

 

 

Samsung signs agreement with Dixon to manufacture TV sets in India

 

Also as i said before Samsung is outsourcing the manufacturing of it's low and mid range TV's here to an Indian OEM/ODM/CM company called Dixon Technologies, earlier they probably had an assembly line in one of their factories in Noida

 

[Bird Bird Bird]

1 hour ago, PhantomShade said:

really thought cheeni brand somehow acquired the tech to make OLED panels,  instead of LG just selling it to them.

Afaik only 4 companies make most of the panels used in TV/Monitors, Samsung, LG, Sharp( owned by Foxconn now ) and AU Optoelectronics of Taiwan

OLED is just LGD AFAIK. 

 

1 hour ago, PhantomShade said:

 

Long ago in ancient times, other brand SSDs were sh*t.

Samsung used to give the very best performance for barely 1-2k more compared to other brands, maybe because samsung makes it's own flash chips and ssd controller chip.

So they had industry leading sales.

So now they have got overconfident and increased prices like they are Apple or Sony

Thankfully other manufacturers have got good so performance difference is not that much, Crucial/Micron SSDs now have the price/performance sweetspot crown

Yeah. I've had 3 SSDs now, 1st was Intel (2009 IIRC) - worked great. Rest 2 Samsung EVO. Flawless performance. No need to look further. 

I am sure Crucial/Micron are doing a wonderful job, but those coming from the early SSD era might not trust these brands (like me). 

I remember reading Anandtech voraciously for controllers, TLC vs MLC vs QLC etc. The failure rate was higher then. And Samsung ruled the roost. 

[i_rock098]

4 hours ago, Chirag2001 said:

 

Not at the same price range. I'm comparing it to more expensive TV units from Samsung/LG. Sure it'll cost more to buy from a better brand made in India, but you're getting your money's worth with picture quality. A 55 inch TV from cheeni brands might cost 40K, but from Samsung or LG (not OLED) will cost you 65k but it will definitely be better, or thats my review on it at the very least.

 

I use a 55 inch 4K Samsung TV and its most definitely better than similarly rated products from Mi/Thomson/VU/other cheeni brands available on Amazon.

Yes, pay more but for a better product.

 

I'd say its not a bad move. If a person is willing to buy a TV to watch the latest content on premium subscription services like Netflix, Hostar Disney Plus or Prime in 4K on a moderately well sized TV, I'm sure that person can afford to a spend a bit more and get an Indian make TV from big 3 brands. Its not like he's getting ripped off either, the premium that he pays is worth the money in the long run. 

 

I personally believe people should be given the choice to buy whatever they want to buy. Its their money at the end of the day. Restrictions like this only affect the market negatively. The ideal solution would be to give high tax subsidies to incentivise local production instead of a total ban.

 

Whats to prevent this ban getting extended to other segments in which India does not have any presence like semiconductor fabrications?

[North]

4 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

I personally believe people should be given the choice to buy whatever they want to buy. Its their money at the end of the day. 

 

Whats to prevent this ban getting extended to other segments in which India does not have any presence like semiconductor fabrications?

 

China makes a lot of stuff. I don't think they'll ban stuff where indian alternatives are not available at decent prices.

And people would consume anything lucrative which is free/cheap. Mi's dominance of budget smartphone market is the proof, so a ban is probably the best here.

Anyway don't think t will go too smartphones anytime soon. 

 

At any rate, perhaps this conversation is now going off-topic, this thread is probably not appropriate anymore. 

[Bird Bird Bird]

12 minutes ago, i_rock098 said:

 

I personally believe people should be given the choice to buy whatever they want to buy. Its their money at the end of the day. Restrictions like this only affect the market negatively. The ideal solution would be to give high tax subsidies to incentivise local production instead of a total ban.

 

Whats to prevent this ban getting extended to other segments in which India does not have any presence like semiconductor fabrications?

They can only think of banning stuff which we indigenously produce. TV imports are just 35%, and sales aren't exactly the highest right now, so such moves will not affect the consumer much. 

 

Semiconductors - we don't have any fabs. Everything we do depends on SCs (healthcare, defence, IT/BPO, Work, Entertainment, heck, even BJP social media ), so they can't even think of banning it. 

[i_rock098]

even BJP social media [emoji14]), so they can't even think of banning it. 

That made me chuckle hard. But yes agreed with you. Just I really don't like this ban business you never know what the government bans next because they think so.

This is going off topic but Even with games i am scared of they ever ban Tencent or epic. I have so many amazing games on Epic.

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[PhantomShade]

13 minutes ago, Bird Bird Bird said:

They can only think of banning stuff which we indigenously produce. TV imports are just 35%, and sales aren't exactly the highest right now, so such moves will not affect the consumer much. 

 

Semiconductors - we don't have any fabs. Everything we do depends on SCs (healthcare, defence, IT/BPO, Work, Entertainment, heck, even BJP social media ), so they can't even think of banning it. 

 

That is one item you can't ban unless you are the Soviet Union.

If you want an export oriented economy that is, or even an Industry that is based on assembly of products for domestic consumption like we have here

 

These current bans are only to burn the Cheenis btw, they are going step  by step, next on the menu will be Huawei and ZTE for 5G and IP network equipment i think.

 

The bans happen because Govt doesn't want a "hot war" escalation in Ladakh, which is the only way to get the Ching chongs to go back to Lhasa or whatever if no other option remains, Bhajpa will not like to be shown as the coward who backs out in the Ladakh land grab by Chinese.

 

It's like how the Pakistanis use jihadis to achieve their ends in our part of Kashmir, because they don't want to risk direct confrontation with India

 

In these all categories of hw and sw products Indian businesses or Indian govt gains nothing, whether it is TikTok/UC browser, cheap finished boxed TVs imported from China through Vietnam, but Chinese businesses( state owned ones even ) do get gains.

 

For many Chinese companies, India is a very good market for growth, because their home countries are very saturated, and yet has conditions and behaviors very similar to their home market, like the love for cheap items, free stuff, etc, and the Billion people population size.

 

The effects can be seen, Xiaomi and the 5 BBK electronics brands are all intensifying their "WE ARE ABSOLUTELY 110% MAKE IN INDIA , PLEASE BUY OUR PHONES! " campaigns, just out of fear

 

I whole heartedly support all these moves, even if it doesn't end in them vacating Galwan, atleast  all the money we spend on any given product will not go to the Chinese bullies in it's entirety.

 

Anyway enough OT

 

[kmkaks]

Please suggest a budget 4K tv? I.e best 43-55 inch models at less than 40k?

 

[PhantomShade]

2 hours ago, kmkaks said:

Please suggest a budget 4K tv? I.e best 43-55 inch models at less than 40k?

 

 

https://www.amazon.in/LG-inches-Ultra-43UM7300PTA-Built/dp/B07VL2K9R1

 

LG 43UM7300, costs 40K exact, IPS panel 43 inches, 4K, HDR10 + HLG and has LG's WebOS, 4x HDMI and 2x USB.

 

I had an eye on this .

Hope it continues to be cheap even in offline stores. 

[Bhpian Bali]

3 pages of discussion and no one's buying a TV. This thread sucks.

[dante77]

50hz PAL. I think they achieve 60hz.

[dante77]

Its exactly same as VU TVs. No difference at all!