The TV Decision Making Thread

[NitroNeo]

Researching TVs is actually piss easy because of rtings. I don't go around looking at random a*s websites to find reasons to worry about. Besides, I've already bought a TV. Anyone looking at it have the responsibility of researching for it. Rtings states it supports 2.1 but 4k 120 and VRR doesn't work properly.  But really idc because I am not here to do samaj ka uddhar and revolutionise the Indian consumer electronics market. 

 

Bhai if you are satisfied with your TV then chill. Me posting info i find while searching for myself might help someone else buying a new tv. We are a community after all helping each other. 

 

From what i have learnt from my issue with X90h is that DSE vertical bars is a real dealbreaking issue.

 

Vincent teoh, rtings get hand picked best models for reviews and those do not at all represent the retail crap people get. Rtings from what i see generalizes everything.

 

Q80t has 1 hdmi 2.1 mentioned in their review but they do not mention the 49 inch model has all hdmi 2.0b. This is important to know as most of the people are upgrading based on hdmi 2.1 availability for future proofing.

 

Crutchfield has posted detailed info on all products on their website about each size. Maybe that is why they are setting high standards in their retail industry.

 

So let it be and don't start a debate between us. I had no intention other than spreading info and gaining info.

 

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[Jigsaw]

7 minutes ago, NitroNeo said:

 

 

From what i have learnt from my issue with X90h is that DSE vertical bars is a real dealbreaking issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the X900H does indeed have the vertical bar issue after all. Man I’m just going to get the CX and be over with this head scratching mid-21

[Agent 47]

4 minutes ago, NitroNeo said:

From what i have learnt from my issue with X90h is that DSE vertical banding is a real dealbreaking issue.

 

Maybe you just lost Panel Lottery. Didn't you replace it once already? Also, i believe DSE and Vertical banding are two different things. Maybe if it had Smooth Gradation option, the banding wouldn't have been visible. 950h has it and haven't seen any banding on it. Of course, no HDMI 2.1 option means it ain't future proof for gaming.

 

One other thing i have heard is that 85" doesn't have any banding of any sort. Of course, i cannot confirm this cause not many people own 85" model of it. 

 

1 minute ago, Jigsaw said:

So the X900H does indeed have the vertical bar issue after all. Man I’m just going to get the CX and be over with this head scratching mid-21

 

If your current TV is fine, why not just avoid everything and buy something next year. The TVs this year feel like beta test units. CES is next month. Something better will definitely show up.

[Bird Bird Bird]

9 hours ago, NitroNeo said:

I thought so too but apparently Crutchfield as i checked it on google, it seems to be one of the top US retailers, winning some retail awards for 17 years in a row, so if they are saying 55 inch frame 2020 has 4 hdmi 2.0b then i  do feel worried on how this product is being advertised.

 

From the 55 inch Frame Crutchfield page:

 

 

 

If you would have scrolled down just a bit. Go under "Details". 

Edited December 6, 2020 by Bird Bird Bird

[NitroNeo]

So the X900H does indeed have the vertical bar issue after all. Man I’m just going to get the CX and be over with this head scratching mid-21

Yeah do avoid X90H on reddit the feedback was mixed. And QC in their countries is much higher. Heck costco with sony's blessing gave sony owners there 3 years free warranty. As a very happy x950g owner posted on bravia sub a few weeks back.

If it helps you out i learnt that bigger the LCD the more it's prone to bars and DSE. Idk how local dimming affects it as even when i kept it off i got those vertical bars.

If you are getting the same offers on CX like last month then great.

Frame seems to be great as well. I did not post the frame info to make anyone feel worried. I just saw it and thought it would help people buying the TV.

With frame i feel worried about the one connect cable it's delicate nature and availability.

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[Jigsaw]

8 minutes ago, Agent 47 said:

 

 

 

 

If your current TV is fine, why not just avoid everything and buy something next year. The TVs this year feel like beta test units. CES is next month. Something better will definitely show up.

Absolutely bro. Holding out for what the 2021 models bring. In any case, the CX will get me the oled goodness plus 2.1 120fps on all 4 ports. Unless the 2021 models outdo the CX in some manner. 

[El Tigre Chino]

6 hours ago, gecko89 said:

Ohh, I just realized I've already done the calibration from the PS side. I thought you meant, you changed the gamma, backlight, white balancing etc., Anyway, thanks

Was playing Ni No Kuni 2 recently, and PS4Pro wasn't detecting HDR display, I had to change HDMI 2.0 mode to 'Enhanced' from 'Standard' for it to work.

Oh yeah, this only. The Xbox show a series of pictures and tell you to adjust various settings like contrast, saturation, etc so that the bars match, logo is visible, etc. Just skim forward on the below video.

 

 

 

[KunjanPSD]

So now I have done extensive testing on my x90H/x900H, I haven't able to throw any content at it in which the bandings are much noticeable.

Be it HDR10/DV/Non-HDR. There are only very few cases where you might have an non-uniform white screen being displayed as source at low brightness and only then can I notice some bands, but not without pausing the content.

 

Also, I spent almost 4-6hrs with my brother's 65" x90H. Played on Switch, One X and Pro. I didn't get vertical bars during boot-up, not noticeable while panning the camera over the sky. I honestly, didn't see anything I didn't expect.

 

I haven't had any issues with the x90H.

So it might just be a dud unit if anyone is having a problem with it.

 

Seeing that 55CX was available for as low as 1.1L after cashback, anyone who doesn't watch or leave DTH content on for hours, go ahead and take it. If you can find it for the 1.1-1.2L.

Otherwise I can recommend x90H, if you get it for <90k.

If the cashback is not available and it's stuck at 1.05L, then probably CX will be too, you should just wait for them to drop in price again.

 

Edited December 6, 2020 by kunjanp

[NitroNeo]

 
From the 55 inch Frame Crutchfield page:
 

 

 
If you would have scrolled down just a bit. Go under "Details". 

Yes I'll check. This is what they had posted under connections section for 55 inch frame 2020. You did extensive research on the frame right how is the one connect cable? If it or the OCB breaks how is the availability. I was told the box would be around 40% of TV cost.



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[NitroNeo]

 
If your current TV is fine, why not just avoid everything and buy something next year. The TVs this year feel like beta test units. CES is next month. Something better will definitely show up.

I had the same issue on the replacement you can check the pics i posted here in priir posts a week back i guess.

The whitish bars i see on left and right side don't seem to be caused by banding. Those seen something else. Also the DSE is also there in situations where it is noticible.

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[Agent 47]

3 minutes ago, NitroNeo said:

I had the same issue on the replacement you can check the pics i posted here in priir posts a week back i guess.

The whitish bars i see on left and right side don't seem to be caused by banding. Those seen something else. Also the DSE is also there in situations where it is noticible.

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Well, i guess you lost panel lottery twice. that's just bad luck.

[KunjanPSD]

8 minutes ago, NitroNeo said:

Yeah do avoid X90H on reddit the feedback was mixed. And QC in their countries is much higher. Heck costco with sony's blessing gave sony owners there 3 years free warranty. As a very happy x950g owner posted on bravia sub a few weeks back.

If it helps you out i learnt that bigger the LCD the more it's prone to bars and DSE. Idk how local dimming affects it as even when i kept it off i got those vertical bars.

If you are getting the same offers on CX like last month then great.

Frame seems to be great as well. I did not post the frame info to make anyone feel worried. I just saw it and thought it would help people buying the TV.

With frame i feel worried about the one connect cable it's delicate nature and availability.

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Bro, I honestly don't think you know how Local Dimming works. It's like you don't even try to go through the details of any reputed source and still make your opinions. 

It's a FALD. It's will have LED arranged throughout the screen. Local Dimming changes the brightness of a zone made up of a subset of these LEDs, so producing different brightness in different zones.

 

Even if you turn it off, there will rows and columns of LEDs. Just like when you use a torch, the light is concentrated at the source and disperses as it goes further, the same will happen with the LEDs, hence the light will be concentrated along a row and column. 

That's how the technology works, there is no deceit.

 

Generally the no. of zones don't scale linearly with size, the 55" sets end up having more zones per inch of the screen as compared to 65" and hence the latter can be less uniform.

 

That said, in context of x90H, it's not much noticeable in 55/65". Anything you can notice by purposely throwing such content at it, you are meant to have it. That's the technology and you should have bought an OLED instead.

[Bird Bird Bird]

10 minutes ago, NitroNeo said:

Yes I'll check. This is what they had posted under connections section for 55 inch frame 2020. You did extensive research on the frame right how is the one connect cable? If it or the OCB breaks how is the availability. I was told the box would be around 40% of TV cost.



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I know, that's why I said check under details. The above listing says 2.0b as all except 1 port support it. Details are under, well, Details section. 

 

The availability of OCB seems poor tbh. Cable itself runs into thousands of rupees. That's one of the reasons I didn't go with Frame. 

[dylanjosh]

Guys
LG Nanocell v LG CX
which is better?

[playstationdude]

7 minutes ago, dylanjosh said:

Guys
LG Nanocell v LG CX
which is better?

Obviously OLED. Unless you're concenred with burn in.

[cyberpunk]

Wow
 

 

[NitroNeo]

1 hour ago, kunjanp said:

Bro, I honestly don't think you know how Local Dimming works. It's like you don't even try to go through the details of any reputed source and still make your opinions. 

It's a FALD. It's will have LED arranged throughout the screen. Local Dimming changes the brightness of a zone made up of a subset of these LEDs, so producing different brightness in different zones.

 

Even if you turn it off, there will rows and columns of LEDs. Just like when you use a torch, the light is concentrated at the source and disperses as it goes further, the same will happen with the LEDs, hence the light will be concentrated along a row and column. 

That's how the technology works, there is no deceit.

 

Generally the no. of zones don't scale linearly with size, the 55" sets end up having more zones per inch of the screen as compared to 65" and hence the latter can be less uniform.

 

That said, in context of x90H, it's not much noticeable in 55/65". Anything you can notice by purposely throwing such content at it, you are meant to have it. That's the technology and you should have bought an OLED instead.

I did read about the individual zones turning on and off and checked the whole videos on it. But none of them showed any vertical bars i had, i don't know how i ended up with 2 units from different batches with the same fault, but honestly i keep getting comments that intend to help but cause confusion, some users told me the bars might be because local dimming was on so i had tested keeping it off, idk if this is a issue with local dimming in general but there are users who post they don't have any bars on the Local dimming TV. So it is very hard to pinpoint the issue.

I'll keep the OLED thing in mind but now with C1 and B1 around the corner i don't know if i should spend the same money on this year's models, I'm very scared, i don't know if it was bad luck, or if sony manufactures near delhi so you guys got a good batch and something goes wrong till the stocks reach mumbai. But overall this has been a learning yet mentally agonizing experience for our family.

In india DSE, banding, dead pixels don't have customer friendly replacement policies. They expert you to accept their POS product however it is once it leaves the store. I can't believe luck plays a factor when you spend so much money on a TV. I get that it is a LCD thing but with proper QC from factory to user home it can be minimized alot. I read during transit to the cities these people roughly put the TVs in tempos sometimes if only 1 person is there and if they can't carry the large TV, they jusst roll the box thinking thurmacoal padding will keep it safe, but even these shocks provide impact to damage the LCD/LED to create panel issues.

OLEDs do have such issues as well though i guess not as bad. But their delicate build is of another concern more than burn in, one wrong thud on that panel feels to me like it will break it. That to was a concern when i had decided to go for x90h.

I would like to know how OLED owners handle and keep their panels safe day to day, especially during festive cleaning etc that involves us being tired and unaware of the surrounding.

 

[NitroNeo]

1 hour ago, dylanjosh said:

Guys
LG Nanocell v LG CX
which is better?

Nanocell sucks whatever big youtubers tell you, go with CX. Nanocell colors are so saturated and unreal punchy, the gray black uniformity is bad as per rtings tests.

[NitroNeo]

1 hour ago, adity said:

He just likes outraging, lol. He wrote off OLED citing burn in risk and lack of dts audio format support. 

That said though, his TV does look like sh*t even in normal usage. Honestly that's why I got OLED. This FALD nonsense is just keeping shitty LCD tech alive on ventilator support. Even Samsung knows that and just biding it's time with false marketing of QLED until its own OLED competitor is ready. (QNED, I think). 

I didn't write off oled, i didn't want to buy CX for specific personal reasons, you should remember i was 110% ready to buy C9. But couldn't find it. I never wrote off OLED or LG.

[playstationdude]

38 minutes ago, NitroNeo said:

OLEDs do have such issues as well though i guess not as bad. But their delicate build is of another concern more than burn in, one wrong thud on that panel feels to me like it will break it. That to was a concern when i had decided to go for x90h.

I would like to know how OLED owners handle and keep their panels safe day to day, especially during festive cleaning etc that involves us being tired and unaware of the surrounding.

 

I might need to shift home soon and I'm sh*t scared on how I'll transport the OLED. It really does seem way too delicate. 

 

Regarding festive cleaning, i just clean it with a microfiber cloth. I avoid moving it altogether and have specifically instructed everyone in my home not to try and move the TV. Since it is in my room so its easier to control this.

 

So yeah, your concenrs on it being delicate and valid.