The TV Decision Making Thread

[Big Boss]

Just now, Snake said:

no options, only lg oled  CX and above or death

 

4 minutes ago, abhi90 said:

Once you go black....

 

For a well lit room that isn't intended for critical viewing, an OLED isn't worth it imo.

Hmmm got it

[abhi90]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

The raised gamma issue has been blown out of proportion. Its very minor. Also fixed on C1 afaik. 

The FW update introduced the same slider as on the CX but f**k VRR when the PS5 doesn't even have support for it currently.

[abhi90]

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

 

How dare you.... don't you know this is not. TV decision making thread, but a 'recommend oled for everything' thread

It really is good if you have the budget, #NORAGRETS

[KunjanPSD]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

No VRR on that one. Also blurriness issues with 120 Hz (not sure if fixed). 

Blurriness is fixed. 

Also newer model is x90J, does much better at 120hz and brightness.

VRR is absent across Sony's range but it's coming.

Nothing buggy with 2.1 implementation.

Edited May 20, 2021 by KunjanPSD

[abhi90]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Angoor khatte hain. XSX has VRR. 

That's a nonconcern for me, but VRR is inherently faulty.

 

Meanwhile everyone's praising OLED etc, does everyone also have an equally sound system because the inbuilt speakers are sh*t.

[abhi90]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

Inherently faulty is misleading when most people using it barely even notice the issue.

 

Sound system kaha se beech mein aaya? What's next? Do OLED owners own 4 BHK? 

Do you like to watch great content paired with sh*t sound? Sound comprises 50% of the experience of good content

 

Well lots of people have faced unplayable issues with VRR, depends more on the game and how unstable the framerate is

Edited May 20, 2021 by abhi90

[Snake]

17 minutes ago, abhi90 said:

It really is good if you have the budget, #NORAGRETS

 

exactly, not everyone has or wants to spend close to 100k on a TV.  We should have options.

[achilles]

53 minutes ago, HundredProofSam said:

but right now what I feel lacking in my TV more is the HDMI 2.1 features rather than the panel quality.

 

34 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said:

OLEDs have flawless HDMI 2.1 support. X90H has buggy 2.1 support. Samsung QLEDs have 2.1 support but they're more expensive than OLED. 

 

What's the current and near future use of VRR and HDMI 2.1? What makes them important? 

 

[Jigsaw]

1 minute ago, abhi90 said:

Do you like to watch great content paired with sh*t sound? Sound comprises 50% of the experience of good content

 

Well lots of people have faced unplayable issues with VRR, depends more on the game and how unstable the framerate is

Dragging sound equipment in this is like someone sitting in a municipal state transport bus window seat and dissing the hot 27yo driving an Audi to work. Who goes to work driving a high end car on shitty Indian roads? 

[abhi90]

1 minute ago, Jigsaw said:

Dragging sound equipment in this is like someone sitting in a municipal state transport bus window seat and dissing the hot 27yo driving an Audi to work. Who goes to work driving a high end car on shitty Indian roads? 

Salty much? Or do you like watching all 4k content through TV speakers. You do understand that all HDMI 2.0 and 2.1 are not just to improve audio quality, right?

 

Treating sound as a separate thing is like someone getting an Audi and getting it converted to CNG kyunki bhai gaadi average nahi deti

[Sach4life]

22 minutes ago, abhi90 said:

That's a nonconcern for me, but VRR is inherently faulty.

 

Meanwhile everyone's praising OLED etc, does everyone also have an equally sound system because the inbuilt speakers are sh*t.

 

I have a LG sound bar. Got it for 10k while buying C9

[Jigsaw]

2 minutes ago, abhi90 said:

Salty much? Or do you like watching all 4k content through TV speakers. You do understand that all HDMI 2.0 and 2.1 are not just to improve audio quality, right?

 

Treating sound as a separate thing is like someone getting an Audi and getting it converted to CNG kyunki bhai gaadi average nahi deti

Ever considered the possibility that some of us might actually have something called a soundbar at the very minimum? Or even better something called an AV receiver and a good audio setup. 
 

Salty ka definition google kar le baba.

[Big Boss]

11 minutes ago, achilles said:

 

 

What's the current and near future use of VRR and HDMI 2.1? What makes them important? 

 

Many games support 120 hz and vrr and hdmi 2.1 is required for that. And series x now and PS5 in future will support vrr. Vrr smoothens out unstable frame rate, like you won't notice drops to 50-55 from 60 on a vrr screen.

[VelivolusDas]

7 minutes ago, achilles said:

What's the current and near future use of VRR and HDMI 2.1? What makes them important? 

 

HDMI 2.1 supports 4K at upto 120Hz, which the new consoles support. Hence, the requirement. Note: The PS5 doesn't support it yet. A FW update is in the works for it.

 

VRR is important because these TVs can displays framerates that are not simply locked to 30 or 60. In non-VRR TVs, you can either have 30 or 60 (or any higher version but locked), but not anything in between.

 

If there is a frame-drop in the game, the compensates for it by introducing screen tears and whatnot.

 

With VRR that problem is taken care of, because instead of the screen tearing, the TV can switch to 55 FPS as that is the Framerate being sent by the console, and ultimately being displayed by your TV.

 

Currently there are only a handful of games, I think that take advantage of these features. Dirt 5, CoD are some of them, AFAIK.

[Big Boss]

1 minute ago, VelivolusDas said:

 

HDMI 2.1 supports 4K at upto 120Hz, which the new consoles support. Hence, the requirement. Note: The PS5 doesn't support it yet. A FW update is in the works for it.

 

VRR is important because these TVs can displays framerates that are not simply locked to 30 or 60. In non-VRR TVs, you can either have 30 or 60 (or any higher version but locked), but not anything in between.

 

If there is a frame-drop in the game, the compensates for it by introducing screen tears and whatnot.

 

With VRR that problem is taken care of, because instead of the screen tearing, the TV can switch to 55 FPS as that is the Framerate being sent by the console, and ultimately being displayed by your TV.

 

Currently there are only a handful of games, I think that take advantage of these features. Dirt 5, CoD are some of them, AFAIK.

Series X and S have console level VRR. It works for all games in case there is fps drop. Heck even one x has it.

[Big Boss]

1 minute ago, Mr. Comingle said:

VRR makes 5-10 fps drops imperceptible. Its great imo even for 60 fps and essential for 120 fps. I'd say this though. 120 fps is mostly a gimmick for now. The hit to image quality is just too much in most games. Only useful for a handful of BC games and platformers. 

Yeah but better have a TV that supports 120 hz. It's fun in platformers and in racing games. 

[Big Boss]

8 minutes ago, HundredProofSam said:

AFAIK console level VRR on Xbox means you don’t need an HDMI 2.1 TV, because the signal is stabilised before it is sent to the TV.

But you can't enable the VRR check box in console settings if your screen doesn't support it. It's greyed out.

[achilles]

42 minutes ago, VelivolusDas said:

VRR is important because these TVs can displays framerates that are not simply locked to 30 or 60. In non-VRR TVs, you can either have 30 or 60 (or any higher version but locked), but not anything in between.

I didn't know this, seems to be a weird limitation on the display part. I remember TVs advertising 24p for movies but I always assumed anything above 30 fps was dynamic. 

 

Edit: the iPad Pros have had dynamic refresh rates upto 120HZ (ProMotion) since 2017, so I guess that assumption was stupid :/

 

19 minutes ago, HundredProofSam said:

AFAIK console level VRR on Xbox means you don’t need an HDMI 2.1 TV, because the signal is stabilised before it is sent to the TV.

Stabilised in what way? If the TV can only output 30 or 60, what is the console doing here? Turning a non 30 or 60 output to 30 or 60 in a non-jarring way? How does it do that? 

 

Edited May 20, 2021 by achilles

[abhi90]

33 minutes ago, Jigsaw said:

Ever considered the possibility that some of us might actually have something called a soundbar at the very minimum? Or even better something called an AV receiver and a good audio setup. 
 

Salty ka definition google kar le baba.

That was my point. Anything is better than TV speakers, yet you said they're not a part of this discussion. People splurging lakh+ on a tv and not getting at least a sound bar sounds counter-intuitive to me. Ab samjhe baba?

 

Salty bahut cheezon se ho sakte, ek cheez se nahi baba

8 minutes ago, HundredProofSam said:

AFAIK console level VRR on Xbox means you don’t need an HDMI 2.1 TV, because the signal is stabilised before it is sent to the TV.

But the FPS would still need to be 1:1 mapped with the refresh rate of the TV, right? I'm not sure on the concepts.

[Big Boss]

It doesn't work if screen doesn't support it. You can't enable it in console settings.