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I am no criminal lawyer but I have read about the Terry case in detail & the reason he was acquitted was that Ferdinand's lawyer wasn't able to prove the 'intent' of Terry when he spoke those words.. Terry accepted that he called him a 'black c*nt' but he said he was merely repeating the words spoken by Anton Ferdinand himself & was speaking sarcastically and since Anton Ferdinand had no way to prove that what Terry was speaking is wrong, so he got acquitted.. Also positive testimonies given by many people in case of John Terry in a court of law showed the jury that there is no reason to think Terry might be lying.. It might all seem a bit illogical but read any detailed report related to that case and that is what exactly happened.

 

But I don't think FA gives much credence to the 'intent' part of this argument & hence Terry was found guilty because he had already accepted that he said those words..

 

But the disappointing thing is that even though Suarez was punished for 8 matches but Terry is only getting punished for 4..

 

Well even if you totally gloss over the fact than intent IS a big part of any legal proceedings, one can say that the fact Terry admitted to have spoken the words would have resulted in a reduced sentence.

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Well even if you totally gloss over the fact than intent IS a big part of any legal proceedings, one can say that the fact Terry admitted to have spoken the words would have resulted in a reduced sentence.

 

I am not saying what FA is doing is right or wrong, I just want consistency in the way they treat different cases.

 

Suarez also accepted he said Negrito to Cole, so shouldn't he also get reduced sentence?

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I dont agree with this 4 game ban as well

I mean WTF,the guy has been acquitted by criminal court .What was the point of having him go there if you were gonna ban him anyways .Also if banning then why not the same 8 game ban .,

 

Absolutely Rubbish from FA

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I dont agree with this 4 game ban as well

I mean WTF,the guy has been acquitted by criminal court .What was the point of having him go there if you were gonna ban him anyways .Also if banning then why not the same 8 game ban .,

 

Absolutely Rubbish from FA

 

Difference btw Suarez and Terry was that Evra(player) made a complaint but with Terry member of the public made a complaint.

The key difference is that a member of the public made a complaint to the police about Terry’s on-field comments which prompted a police investigation into the matter. Suarez's case was dealt exclusively by the FA(player complaint), who will continue with their own investigation into the incident when the prosecution Case is over.

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Highly recommended read regarding the John Terry, especially to those who sympathize with Terry in this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/sep/27/john-terry-racism-fa-ban?CMP=twt_gu

 

 

Terry, naturally, will cling to his warped belief that he is the victim, not Anton Ferdinand, and we have already witnessed from the Suárez case how inside the football bubble there will be a stampede of people reassuring him that they believe every word and it is all a witch hunt – for no other reason, very often, than because they happen to follow his football team.

Yet the truth, unmistakably, is that Terry has been fortunate. The FA's commission had the chance to impose the kind of sanction that does justice to the idea that racism is, to use Terry's own words earlier this summer, as deplorable as it gets and that football won't tolerate it. It went for leniency instead.

 

The people who want to believe he is somehow the victim may like to ponder what the mood must be like in football when an organisation as eminently sensible as Kick It Out has aligned itself to Ferdinand, its representatives even sitting with his parents in court, on the basis that it considered Terry's account flimsy in the extreme.

 

Terry's camp has not been short of character references, involving some of the great and good of Chelsea. José Mourinho signed. So did the bloke who supplies cars for Chelsea's players. Avram Grant, who has experienced racism and should know better, argued this week that the case should never have been brought. "Nobody thinks John Terry is a racist," he said. "The FA needs to leave it."

 

What Terry's sympathisers have never explained is why, inside football, it was known well before the trial began that Didier Drogba, Nicolas Anelka, Mikel John Obi and Chelsea's Kick It Out ambassador, Florent Malouda, were not among those from Stamford Bridge who had signed statements supporting their colleague.

 

Contrary to what Grant says, there has actually been a great sense of anger and revulsion within the game about what Terry said to Ferdinand when Chelsea played at QPR last season. Some of Terry's England colleagues have had to blank it out. At least one is understood to have confronted him.

 

Fitz Hall is another example – a player Terry talked about during the trial as if they were old mates, going back years. Hall was a QPR player when Terry and Ferdinand started their row. The message Hall put on Twitter on 13 July, the day of Terry's acquittal, was short and to the point: "f**king joke."

 

Some more quotes which tells why court decided not to find Terry guilty but FA did(read the 1st para) :-

 

Except it actually was not madness. If Terry said he heard Ferdinand shouting the offending words first, and that he was merely repeating them back out of surprise, who could say definitively he was wrong? It may seem unusual, far-fetched even, but a court needs proof beyond a reasonable doubt whereas the FA's disciplinary arm rules on the basis of probability.

 

If nothing else, that disparity gives Chelsea the get-out clause they will almost certainly take to avoid investigating Terry themselves. At a normal company, he would have been suspended as soon as the allegation surfaced. The young reserve who let off a smoke bomb at the club's training ground was. So were the security staff who accidentally damaged the Champions League trophy.

 

Chelsea have a strong and successful anti-racism campaign and, if they turn a blind eye now, when the football authorities are telling them Terry is guilty, it would send out completely the wrong message. As it is, a ban of only four matches has done that itself.

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Carl Jenkinson has revealed the story behind his message to his grandfather at Armoury Square.

 

The right back hails from a family of lifelong Arsenal fans, and completed a dream move to the Club from Charlton Athletic in July 2011.

 

However, his grandfather was not able to see him play in the famous red-and-white shirt, so he decided to leave the engraved message instead.

 

“I just wanted something for my grandad,” Jenkinson told Arsenal Player. “It has always been a bit of a regret that he has not been able to come to my games since I’ve been at Arsenal.

 

“It is well documented that my dad is a massive Arsenal fan but grandad was just the same, and I was very close to him.

 

“It's a regret that he has not been able to watch me, but I am sure he is looking down at how things are going for me and the fact I’m playing for Arsenal.”

 

Jenkinson’s message lies among hundreds of others at Armoury Square and he feels an strong affinity with the Club’s fans.

 

“I am a fan of this Club and that will never change,” he said. “I am just lucky enough to have been given the ability and the chance to play for my club.

 

“I was going to watch Arsenal the same as the fans were and [now] just count myself very lucky to represent them as a fan who has become a player.

 

“It doesn't come around very often and I just feel privileged and honoured to be that person.”

 

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