dabba Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 didnt pool finish 4th last season... or 5th or 6th?? surely can't be worse than this season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel81x Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Oi! Those be fighting words but yeah I think Dagalish better have a positive impact in terms of winning games soon but even if he doesn't, he's an Anfield and English football legend so the fallout may not be as bad. And ... my last note on this whole who deserves the award discussion is that Messi doesn't run the entire pitch to score goals, thats why there is a whole team around him helping him with passes and slotting balls into open spaces for him to run on and of course he returns the favor but when you look at where Inter were and what happened last year I think the coach and the star player deserve better credit than was given. It's not easy being a distributor or someone that links chances to take your team to all the wins they had last season which is why I felt he should have got the award but as the powers to decide have chosen, it is Lionel Messi and kudos to him because he does work hard and it shows on the field. Now, back to the game at hand tonight. I see a 2 - 1 win in our favor and why? Because lately we have started to look a little more menacing in attack and I feel that the team that doesn't hold its ground today is the one that is going to get a proper muppet-slap when it comes to goals. Edited January 12, 2011 by Mel81x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchneideR Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 didnt u have faith in hodgson as well... pool to lift the BPL trophy this season n all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsOwn Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Now, back to the game at hand tonight. I see a 2 - 1 win in our favor and why? Because lately we have started to look a little more menacing in attack and I feel that the team that doesn't hold its ground today is the one that is going to get a proper muppet-slap when it comes to goals. How the mighty have fallen. your last few fixtures Utd - lost - no goals Mighty Blackburn - lost - 3 goals to 1 Bolton - won - 2:1 Almighty Wolves - lost - 1 - 0 "Menacing in Attack" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWC Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 In another news.. Ipswich vs Arsenal. Carling Cup Semifinal First Leg tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel81x Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 How the mighty have fallen. your last few fixtures Utd - lost - no goals Mighty Blackburn - lost - 3 goals to 1 Bolton - won - 2:1 Almighty Wolves - lost - 1 - 0 "Menacing in Attack" Let me rephrase that "We are looking a little more menacing in front of goal" plus I never said we were scoring I just said we were "looking" more menacing in attack i think 2 in 4 is better than the rot we were playing at the beginning of the season anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Pranay Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yeah I get that most of them are your personal opinion and I wont argue on them more even if I feel like... But 1 point I feel that needs to be discussed... Yu say, "Sniejder was average in the league" & "Barcelona will struggle without messi more than inter without sniejder"... Don't yu find a lil' contradiction to the actual facts here? (Also, apart from his 4 goals, I think yu found WS pretty normall in UCL too... all in all, yu found WS average right?) I'll tell how... Inter won the treble last year... 2 league trophies & one European... Basically, they dominated European football... and WS was at the heart of Inter's midfield... Its not just about scoring goals... even with his lower goal tally in the league, almost every goal scoring attack was lead/created by WS.. Half of Milito's & Eto's goals were courtesy WS... If Sneijder was not at Inter, it surely would have been a different season for them.. Messi... he is a footballer from another planet... with him in the side, barca is almost next to invincible.. tearing apart RM 5-0 is no joke.. But even without Messi, have yu seen the quality available at Barca's disposal?? Its terrifying... Both theoretically as well as practically.. & to top that, Yaya was there too last season... Messi gets little injuries from time to time and very evidently Barca copes up without him... Can yu understand where I am going with all this?? What I am trying to say is that Inter would not have tasted such achievements without Sneijder's performances, whereas Barca still would have been a big strike force without Messi.. So again, I respect yur personal opinions... I just brought this up because those two points in the beginning felt contradictory to reality.. EDIT: coz yu should never trust yur phone's dictionary I agree with what you said. The thing was even though he was Great in UCL he was average in league. All in all if you add up league performance and WC goals with his great UCL performance , he deserved to be in top 3 His Performance was as Good as Messi and Xavi in UCL however in the league he was average interm of performance as well as stats UCL win was a team performance. All players equally played a Great Role in the inter but the thing is those players who were great along with snieder were also very consistent and better then him in the league. As Far as World Cup is concerned imo he was good but average interms of Performance and honestly he just scored goals but didnt contribute as much in attack and actually imo Robben was much then him cause he did provide an extra dimention to the team Thats why i would had prefer Xavi and Messi over him. Both of them had performed GREAT in the league and ucl and were *Good* in WC. Sniejder was better then them maybe interms of getting the goals The thing with Barca was that ibra in the second half of the season had gone through a rough patch and was unable to score. Apart from the Arsenal Match Busquets was played instead of yaya. Iniesta was in bad form and Xavi was the only one providing the service. So most of the goals were heavily relied on Messi. Pedro did him out in scoring but still most goals from him was in first half of the season. Messi has scored 6 hat tricks this year as well which is quite remarkable. In most of the matches Xavi and Messi were the outstanding players who were consistent in every matches and still are performing great as well. Actually I guess Snieder missed out mainly cause of his average league performance i guess. As well as his current performance. Nether he was the best player in WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Pranay Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Oi! Those be fighting words but yeah I think Dagalish better have a positive impact in terms of winning games soon but even if he doesn't, he's an Anfield and English football legend so the fallout may not be as bad. And ... my last note on this whole who deserves the award discussion is that Messi doesn't run the entire pitch to score goals, thats why there is a whole team around him helping him with passes and slotting balls into open spaces for him to run on and of course he returns the favor but when you look at where Inter were and what happened last year I think the coach and the star player deserve better credit than was given. It's not easy being a distributor or someone that links chances to take your team to all the wins they had last season which is why I felt he should have got the award but as the powers to decide have chosen, it is Lionel Messi and kudos to him because he does work hard and it shows on the field. Now, back to the game at hand tonight. I see a 2 - 1 win in our favor and why? Because lately we have started to look a little more menacing in attack and I feel that the team that doesn't hold its ground today is the one that is going to get a proper muppet-slap when it comes to goals. Your under estimating Messi here. He has scored a lot of goals which involved a lot dribbling skills as well and not just random tap ins. And BTW the voting was mainly done by Players, Coaches and Media and not by Fifa officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Pranay Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 To Add a little more to what ive said Messi is a much different player now then he was 2/3 seasons. He now play in a False - 9 [ free role] role which allows him more Space to Dribble cause he becomes Predictible when played as a winger. He is much more involved in the midfield and also provides a lot of Assist as well. He also scored more goals then Ronaldo with his wrong foot ! Not only that but he has also improved his Long Distance Shooting. And this is comming from a Real Madrid Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel81x Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 And BTW the voting was mainly done by Players, Coaches and Media and not by Fifa officials. Point noted but aren't those the people with the power to decide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Pranay Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Point noted but aren't those the people with the power to decide? Yes Actually a few people thought that only media and fifa officials voted. So i just wanted to clarify. If you thought the same way like others did. http://www.as.com/misc/pdf/futbol/balondeoro2010.pdf You can see who voted for whom here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel81x Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) hehe well yeah im just saying its not a one man effort either and when you talk about a team like Barca you can't say that without Messi they'd be lost in the woods. I've been a Liverpool fan for as long as I can remember but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate talent, Messi has the gift to surpass alot of the greats sadly the one place he will always fall short is at International Country tournaments because he doesn't have the support system he does at Barca. That said, it does raise the question that as a talisman and playmaker/goalscorer your skills should be at a level where your running the attack machine to a stage where even if your given a team oh hardworkers, all they need to do is work around you to make things happen which wasn't the case with Argentina. I was always sticking to my initial point that if you look at it from a wider perspective and put the goals aside, then WS has greater achievements for the previous season compared to Messi and given that fact and also the fact that he was on the list it should really have been easier for the people deciding to make a choice and say look here's a guy who has had a phenomenal year he is a candidate and he's achieved a lot more than the other three we have in the list. Whether he turns out to be a burnt fuse this year should have no relevance to giving him an award for his seasonal performance but that's what has happened here hasn't it? And if you take that kind of logic a step further then Xavi looks like a better candidate too doesn't he? Edited January 12, 2011 by Mel81x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 rumored line up for today -- Reina, Kelly, Skrtel, Agger, Wilson; Johnson, Meireles, Lucas, Maxi; Kuyt; Torres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhav Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Ok so I just watched Chelsea vs Ipswich highlights... And Woah.... what was that ??... Chelsea vs a practice squad... It wasnt even funny... horrible play by Ipswich... If this is all they've got, then Arsenal can put in an easy 10 tonight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWC Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Ok so I just watched Chelsea vs Ipswich highlights... And Woah.... what was that ??... Chelsea vs a practice squad... It wasnt even funny... horrible play by Ipswich... If this is all they've got, then Arsenal can put in an easy 10 tonight!! I think its going to be a tough game. Its one of their biggest games of the season, they will not want to play like they did at S. Bridge, in front of their own fans. Edited January 12, 2011 by choy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Pranay Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) hehe well yeah im just saying its not a one man effort either and when you talk about a team like Barca you can't say that without Messi they'd be lost in the woods. I've been a Liverpool fan for as long as I can remember but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate talent, Messi has the gift to surpass alot of the greats sadly the one place he will always fall short is at International Country tournaments because he doesn't have the support system he does at Barca. That said, it does raise the question that as a talisman and playmaker/goalscorer your skills should be at a level where your running the attack machine to a stage where even if your given a team oh hardworkers, all they need to do is work around you to make things happen which wasn't the case with Argentina. I was always sticking to my initial point that if you look at it from a wider perspective and put the goals aside, then WS has greater achievements for the previous season compared to Messi and given that fact and also the fact that he was on the list it should really have been easier for the people deciding to make a choice and say look here's a guy who has had a phenomenal year he is a candidate and he's achieved a lot more than the other three we have in the list. Whether he turns out to be a burnt fuse this year should have no relevance to giving him an award for his seasonal performance but that's what has happened here hasn't it? And if you take that kind of logic a step further then Xavi looks like a better candidate too doesn't he? Anyways i wont Argue much now Tired Anyways Just posting regarding International The Thing where Maradonna F***ed Up was giving Messi Too Much Role in midfield since they had Macherano who cant pass and Veron who didnt had the legs. Defence which was Grade A crap He was played as a playmaker as well as a striker. He had a great match against Nigeria , South Korea and Greece. Though However had a bad match against Germany. He was marked out the whole match and the rest of the team well was average interms of creativity. Anyways A good midfield consisting of cambiasso and lucho/banega has done wonder ! Messi was the Man of the Match against Brazil and Spain ! under the new coach Anyways he is still young and can add more to his game. He still is not in the same league Ronaldinio and Zidane and even the Great Ronaldo and others[brazillian one] But surely can be and surpass them as well ! Winning the World Cup with Argentina in Brazil would be sweet Edited January 12, 2011 by black swordsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaka_messi Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 liverpool liverpool liverpool liverpool liverpool liverpool plz win... is Steven Gerrard playing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhav Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 is Steven Gerrard playing??? OUCH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaka_messi Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) fa cup dek nahi paya...gerrard....red card Edited January 12, 2011 by kaka_messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Reina Johnson Skrtel Agger Kelly Lucas Poulsen Kuyt Meireles Jova Torres Edited January 12, 2011 by hsk_colossus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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