Right Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 people have completed the entire game using stealth. That would have been serious torture. The game is not designed to play that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCore Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Yeah its like that Halo level where you get an achievement for NOT shooting anyone. Its doable, but not the way it is meant to be played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoctor Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 stealth is always harder than run and gun, so i'm not sure what the point is. in this game, or the previous splinter cell games, or the hitman series or the likes... you can choose stealth or you can pile up the bodies. either way works. this isn't thief where stealth is a requirement and not an option. so what, should they have made stealth easier? maybe give you empty levels to stealth around in? to say it's not a stealth game is just wrong, especially when you can complete the entire game in stealth. even if it is harder to do. edit - i've been playing alpha protocol for the past couple of days. try that and then you'll come to know what 'not a stealth game' means. no matter how much you try, the ai is so broken that you will get spotted through walls, doors and what not. i've been spotted as soon as i spawned in a level. and when you max out your stealth points, i've seen the ai not being able to spot you in plain sight. that's when you will realize what broken stealth means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theneurotoxin Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I didn't even manage to get through the stealth tutorial undetected in AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullu Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 edit - i've been playing alpha protocol for the past couple of days. try that and then you'll come to know what 'not a stealth game' means. no matter how much you try, the ai is so broken that you will get spotted through walls, doors and what not. i've been spotted as soon as i spawned in a level. and when you max out your stealth points, i've seen the ai not being able to spot you in plain sight. that's when you will realize what broken stealth means. and this is a game which was kinda on my must buy list before release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulovski Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 AP is really broken. SCC can be done by stealth, i tried it also, and it's just not built for it. There are objectives which are just horrible for stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoctor Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I didn't even manage to get through the stealth tutorial undetected in AP yea i couldn't manage that either. the guards would see me through the floor if i was on a level above them . i tried reloading checkpoints a few times to repeat sections in stealth but it's just not possible, so i gave up and now i'm playing as rambo. and this is a game which was kinda on my must buy list before release believe it or not, it was on mine too late last year when i first heard of the game and saw the trailer on steam. it's just a shame obsidian delivered yet another broken product. still, i bought it a few days ago when it was cheap on steam (350 bucks) and i'm going to try and play through to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Yup like the others have said just because you can finish the game using stealth doesnt make it a stealth game. I could probably finish a CoD game by just meleeing everyone, that doesnt make it a boxing game either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante77 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 SCC 2 = DONOTWANT Bring Old fischer. No, not old fischer but old fischer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoctor Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Yup like the others have said just because you can finish the game using stealth doesnt make it a stealth game. I could probably finish a CoD game by just meleeing everyone, that doesnt make it a boxing game either. you make it sound like it's an accident that you can stealth your way through the game. or that it will be the hardest thing you do in this life to complete the game in stealth. conveniently ignore that the game is designed to let you play in complete stealth, or shoot your way through every last enemy if you want to as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 The point that I (and others) are making is that the game is NOT designed to be played in complete stealth. Or to be played as a TPS either. Its designed to be is a mixture of the two. If you are playing the game with zero kills, zero alerts etc then you are playing it in a way not really intended by the developers. Or at least in a way thats not the ideal way they wanted it to be played. It is possible yes. And probably not insanely tough either. But its VERY clear that thats not how its MEANT to be played. Anyone who has played the game will tell you the same. Its the same as me finishing CoD with just melee. Yes the melee is a critical part of gameplay but gunplay is just as important. Just like SCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindoctor Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 so what you're saying is, it's viable to play in stealth. it's designed to let you play in stealth (levels and all). it's not insanely difficult to play in stealth. you don't have to resort to absolute stupidity (like completing call of duty in melee) or exploiting game mechanics to complete the game in stealth... ...but it's not a stealth game. by that logic, none of the earlier splinter cell games have ever been stealth games either. because even they allow you to play complete stealth, or kill everything that moves, just like this game does. so what's the complaining about again? seriously, i understand the point you folks are trying to make. even if the game does push you towards playing in a more action oriented way, it's still wrong to say that it's not a stealth game, especially when almost everyone will end up using stealth in varying degrees throughout the game. it's not like stealth is an afterthought to the game... the levels, the game mechanics... they're all designed around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 SSC is a stealth game?? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Hmm missing the point seems like a fun thing to do. Let me try it as well. So regarding Call of duty you are saying that it's viable to play using melee. it's designed to let you use the melee attack freely (levels and all). it's not insanely difficult to play by just meleeing instead of shooting. you don't have to resort to absolute stupidity (like completing SCC in stealth) or exploiting game mechanics to complete the game with just melee... ...but it's not a boxing game. I was right. That was fun. Now lets try the sensible way, stay with me here. Was the level design conducive to being played stealthily? Were there any incentives to play it going stealthy? Were the stealth mechanics as refined or realistic as in previous games? But more than anything else (and I feel like I should be bolding this part while writing in CAPS) Did the developers intend for the game to be played going all stealth? You are confusing whats possible and doable with what the game's primary intention is. SCC at NO POINT intends to be an all stealth game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante77 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 so what you're saying is, it's viable to play in stealth. it's designed to let you play in stealth (levels and all). it's not insanely difficult to play in stealth. you don't have to resort to absolute stupidity (like completing call of duty in melee) or exploiting game mechanics to complete the game in stealth... ...but it's not a stealth game. by that logic, none of the earlier splinter cell games have ever been stealth games either. because even they allow you to play complete stealth, or kill everything that moves, just like this game does. so what's the complaining about again? seriously, i understand the point you folks are trying to make. even if the game does push you towards playing in a more action oriented way, it's still wrong to say that it's not a stealth game, especially when almost everyone will end up using stealth in varying degrees throughout the game. it's not like stealth is an afterthought to the game... the levels, the game mechanics... they're all designed around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joy Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I hated the black n white thing , totally ruined it whatever stealth I was enjoying in it , and yes it can't be played as stealth completely , u had to use M&E in almost every one of the fights which wasn't the case in previous SC , in previous SC I felt bad if u killed someone I would have them unconscious rather than dead if given the choice , and it was possible not to kill a single NPC throughout the game. SCC was not a bad game by any means it was a great action adventures Bond kind of game, but it was not Splinter Cell anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV1709 Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 I doubt they'd even go back to the previous gameplay. This game will be more along the lines of SCC probably because that would be a more accessible game for a larger chunk of the audience than a core stealth game which in turns equals more sales. Just compare it to the Resident Evil series. RE5 and RE4 turned out to be games completely different from the first 3. More accessible. End result, both sold X times more than the first 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushy Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Yup like the others have said just because you can finish the game using stealth doesnt make it a stealth game. I could probably finish a CoD game by just meleeing everyone, that doesnt make it a boxing game either. aftard, fail logic is fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dullu Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 accessible ? really? i dont think more than half a million copies were sold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted December 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 . I could probably finish a CoD game by just meleeing everyone, that doesnt make it a boxing game either. ahaha..you can finish very first level in Black-ops without firing a single shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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