killzone123 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 ^^ LOL :| Trust me when I say getting a MBBS + PG degree will be the most expensive expenditure of your life :| well..they recover it fast too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Part of the reason (maybe 30%) why I decided to NOT go for medical despite having the marks needed post-12th standard. Damn expensive and so few seats in good colleges. Else you'd have to take the MBBS + USMLE route. And if you went for your USMLE without first doing a PG degree you'd end up there at a level lower than a head nurse in the US for some time until you finish your apprenticeship. Have relatives who've done it and even the one who finished his PG from AIIMS after MBBS at JIPMER said this. He's now with the University of Pennsylvania's Medical School. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 well..they recover it fast too That's the general perception Obaid bhai but trust me it's not true. And for those who are minting money try looking at their personal lives. It's a mess. Doctors are probably the most overworked and stressful people in India. The private sector demands so and the govt. sector doesn't give any incentive to stay loyal with them. In contrast have a look @ NHS in UK. Even GPs earn enough to live properly without compromising with their life. Of course they private practitioners earn a lot more, but the govt. sectors gives enough for a stress free lifestyle. Part of the reason (maybe 30%) why I decided to NOT go for medical despite having the marks needed post-12th standard. Damn expensive and so few seats in good colleges. Else you'd have to take the MBBS + USMLE route. And if you went for your USMLE without first doing a PG degree you'd end up there at a level lower than a head nurse in the US for some time until you finish your apprenticeship. Have relatives who've done it and even the one who finished his PG from AIIMS after MBBS at JIPMER said this. He's now with the University of Pennsylvania's Medical School. True that. It's really tough to make it in USMLE nowdays. The cut off percentile sits at 99% to get into a proper college. And even after that it can take 2-3 years to get a matching of your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) well..they recover it fast too The problem is a lot of them recover it fast precisely because they feel the need to make up the money spent on education. If you spend nearly a crore or even more these days (if you're unable to get in the college of your choice by merit alone) you'd bloody well tell every patient you get "Do Surgery tomorrow or you'll die today" rather than try to treat them conservatively. Hospitals are a business these days, especially big corporate ones. There's a lot of rotten stuff happening there that you'd think unbecoming of a doctor. I know cos I've lived with and heard about it all my life from a doctor who keeps trying to remain ethical and say "I earn this much a month, that's enough for me". He of course started off long long ago when the profession was still more of a service than a way to make big money and established himself back then. If you have that "service" attitude you won't start off making big money anywhere these days. The rest of the pack will stab you in the back or you'll keep providing that service to humanity and remain a decent-but-not-big earner when compared to all the engineers and managers who'll keep raising their pay grade all the while. Edited March 8, 2011 by Gaurav - Solitaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 well..they recover it fast too Well that is where many of the people I know are doing it wrong. Even my father sometime laments that the rmos are concerned with clocking hours and studying for the pgs than attending patients not cool IMO . Some time back they even resorted to a strike for pay raise. mind you they are mostly from govt college where the cost of education are not that high f**king sad is what the govt hospitals of wb are like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 well..they recover it fast too Well that is where many of the people I know are doing it wrong. Even my father sometime laments that the rmos are concerned with clocking hours and studying for the pgs than attending patients not cool IMO . Some time back they even resorted to a strike for pay raise. mind you they are mostly from govt college where the cost of education are not that high f**king sad is what the govt hospitals of wb are like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersim Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 That's the general perception Obaid bhai but trust me it's not true. And for those who are minting money try looking at their personal lives. It's a mess. Doctors are probably the most overworked and stressful people in India. The private sector demands so and the govt. sector doesn't give any incentive to stay loyal with them. In contrast have a look @ NHS in UK. Even GPs earn enough to live properly without compromising with their life. Of course they private practitioners earn a lot more, but the govt. sectors gives enough for a stress free lifestyle. True that. It's really tough to make it in USMLE nowdays. The cut off percentile sits at 99% to get into a proper college. And even after that it can take 2-3 years to get a matching of your choice. Its certainly better than taking the india route looking at the amount of MD seats in india . My brother gave the MD exams this time around . Most of his friends have gone to USA But my bro is adamant about staying in india only . So he took the harder way . He s getting MD pathology in delhi in first counselling . Was getting DMRD (diploma in radiology) in Goa , etc . He still undecided . Its course vs degree . He will get better options in second counselling . PS - Dad runs a ultrasound clinic . So probably he ll take up DMRD only . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Now for a personal questions for all the it people here what would you recommend as a good company for a rank fresher I have CONFIRMED offers from Capgemini and TCS (maybe accenture as well) Money is no issue and capgemini is offering me a role in the lines of a a Business Analyst a little help is appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killzone123 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 That's the general perception Obaid bhai but trust me it's not true. And for those who are minting money try looking at their personal lives. It's a mess. Doctors are probably the most overworked and stressful people in India. The private sector demands so and the govt. sector doesn't give any incentive to stay loyal with them. In contrast have a look @ NHS in UK. Even GPs earn enough to live properly without compromising with their life. Of course they private practitioners earn a lot more, but the govt. sectors gives enough for a stress free lifestyle. True that. It's really tough to make it in USMLE nowdays. The cut off percentile sits at 99% to get into a proper college. And even after that it can take 2-3 years to get a matching of your choice. well i had recently a close relative in apollo here where the cream of doctors are ...and believe me seeing how heartless and wicked they are ...i couldnt believe it... can you imagine a doctor who is in the top bracket asking for the blood test etc to be done..when the person is already declared dead..and that person was my relative...the only reason was to shoot up the bill because they get commisison out of that too. i can give you many more examples of how they treated him..or mistreated him...i am not taking into account the other horrible experiences i have come across through my friends or relations but thats not what the thread is about...anyways seriously i would agree with the general perception but wont generalize them all...because during those horrible days i met 2-3 doctors who were so helpful and going out of their way to help...but not the majority..and yea you and sufy are two of the best guys in ivg ..thats one more reason not to say all doctors are same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulovski Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I agree with fatty that doctors are the most overworked bunch. Having just spent three days staying in a hospital I laud them. It's impossible to imagine the kind of stress they go through - at any minute something routine can go horribly wrong and they have people's lives in their hand. Not to mention that every patient is trying to argue about rates and asking reasons for their every move, and the doctors have to be professional through it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 well i had recently a close relative in apollo here where the cream of doctors are ...and believe me seeing how heartless and wicked they are ...i couldnt believe it... can you imagine a doctor who is in the top bracket asking for the blood test etc to be done..when the person is already declared dead..and that person was my relative...the only reason was to shoot up the bill because they get commisison out of that too. i can give you many more examples of how they treated him..or mistreated him...i am not taking into account the other horrible experiences i have come across through my friends or relations but thats not what the thread is about...anyways seriously i would agree with the general perception but wont generalize them all...because during those horrible days i met 2-3 doctors who were so helpful and going out of their way to help...but not the majority..and yea you and sufy are two of the best guys in ivg ..thats one more reason not to say all doctors are same. Wicked people are there in all professions and that is not a very big huge news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersim Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 The problem is a lot of them recover it fast precisely because they feel the need to make up the money spent on education. If you spend nearly a crore or even more these days (if you're unable to get in the college of your choice by merit alone) you'd bloody well tell every patient you get "Do Surgery tomorrow or you'll die today" rather than try to treat them conservatively. Hospitals are a business these days, especially big corporate ones. There's a lot of rotten stuff happening there that you'd think unbecoming of a doctor. I know cos I've lived with and heard about it all my life from a doctor who keeps trying to remain ethical and say "I earn this much a month, that's enough for me". He of course started off long long ago when the profession was still more of a service than a way to make big money and established himself back then. If you have that "service" attitude you won't start off making big money anywhere these days. The rest of the pack will stab you in the back or you'll keep providing that service to humanity and remain a decent-but-not-big earner when compared to all the engineers and managers who'll keep raising their pay grade all the while. Doctors can earn a lot if they want to . I know doctors who earn a lot . I mean a lot There is always a shortage of doctors somewhere or the other . Imho they work 10x times harder than engineers , they deserve to earn more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Doctors can earn a lot if they want to . I know doctors who earn a lot . I mean a lot There is always a shortage of doctors somewhere or the other . Imho they work 10x times harder than engineers , they deserve to earn more Doctors are not professionals but they provide a kind of service that makes people to equate them with God and nothing less. The kind of respect they get can never be compared to engineers but saying that if they wanted to earn money they should have taken another route as per their careers. Money per se is not bad but greed associated with it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killzone123 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Wicked people are there in all professions and that is not a very big huge news i could have given you a nice reply to this..but this topic of doctors brought back some not so good memories...so lets leave it to that @motabhai..and yea one thing i can add on what i said..maybe work culture of bengal can be a reason too...on the pathetic state of affairs in even the best hospitals here...because of all the helpful doctors who were so good and excellent were from the south ...its was just amazing to see their way of approach Edited March 8, 2011 by killzone123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 i could have given you a nice reply to this..but this topic of doctors brought back some not so good memories...so lets leave it to that @motabhai..and yea one thing i can add on what i said..maybe work culture of bengal can be a reason too...on the pathetic state of affairs in even the best hospitals here...because of all the helpful doctors who were so good and excellent were from the south ...its was just amazing to see their way of approach I am sorry if the statement was personal to you. I never intended to hurt anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killzone123 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I am sorry if the statement was personal to you. I never intended to hurt anyone dont be sorry buddy ..i know you never intended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersim Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Doctors are not professionals but they provide a kind of service that makes people to equate them with God and nothing less. The kind of respect they get can never be compared to engineers but saying that if they wanted to earn money they should have taken another route as per their careers. Money per se is not bad but greed associated with it is Not all doctors perform Life saving surgeries all the time . Thats just the general perception of the people . There are a zillion other things they do normal routine tests , checkups . They are professionals . I never said that if they wanted to earn money they should have taken another route . What I am saying is doctors do earn handsomely once they finish with their education which is a long time compared to other streams where people are settled as soon as you complecte under grad . MBBS ( 5 and half years ) + MD (another 2 years ) + superspeciality ( another year maybe 2 depends as far my bro tells me ) course which is what has been so common nowdays . If a person gets through this he/she is bound to earn well And frankly for that much amt of hard work over that period of time he/she deserves too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Not all doctors perform Life saving surgeries all the time . Thats just the general perception of the people . There are a zillion other things they do normal routine tests , checkups . They are professionals . I never said that if they wanted to earn money they should have taken another route . What I am saying is doctors do earn handsomely once they finish with their education which is a long time compared to other streams where people are settled as soon as you complecte under grad . MBBS ( 5 and half years ) + MD (another 2 years ) + superspeciality ( another year maybe 2 depends as far my bro tells me ) course which is what has been so common nowdays . If a person gets through this he/she is bound to earn well And frankly for that much amt of hard work over that period of time he/she deserves too . Tell this to a rickshaw puller or a farmer on a slow day with an infant who is running high temperature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) The problem is a lot of them recover it fast precisely because they feel the need to make up the money spent on education. If you spend nearly a crore or even more these days (if you're unable to get in the college of your choice by merit alone) you'd bloody well tell every patient you get "Do Surgery tomorrow or you'll die today" rather than try to treat them conservatively. Hospitals are a business these days, especially big corporate ones. There's a lot of rotten stuff happening there that you'd think unbecoming of a doctor. I know cos I've lived with and heard about it all my life from a doctor who keeps trying to remain ethical and say "I earn this much a month, that's enough for me". He of course started off long long ago when the profession was still more of a service than a way to make big money and established himself back then. If you have that "service" attitude you won't start off making big money anywhere these days. The rest of the pack will stab you in the back or you'll keep providing that service to humanity and remain a decent-but-not-big earner when compared to all the engineers and managers who'll keep raising their pay grade all the while. Agree to this. For a simple example, think about CMC, Vellore. Again one of the most respected institutes in India. They have exactly 5 seats for general people who are not Christians. 5. That's it. So getting in is definitely very very tough. Even I gave the MBBS exam for it back in 2003 and wasn't selected. But a couple of years down the line I met one of my fellow school friend who was studying @ CMC. I was kinda surprised as it's a very hard nut to crack. He bluntly told me they had asked for 25 odd lacs as a donation. And remember that was in 2003. On a much recent note, the going rate for an Anesthesia degree from PGI Chandigarh is around 1.25 crores and that's barring the fees. Orthopaedics, Radio-diagnosis, Paediatrics etc. fields go for anything between 50 lacs (for unrecognised colleges) to 1 crore (for recognised ones). Eve an Ortho diploma is costing 49 lacs now-a-days. Just thin about the level of corruption in the field. And if you guys think these rates are a deterrent, think again. The rates are this sky high because people are able to pay that much. Many of my friends had seats ready for them in various south indian colleges even before they completed their internship. Ready on a plate. It's so f**king sick I can keep on ranting about it. Its certainly better than taking the india route looking at the amount of MD seats in india . My brother gave the MD exams this time around . Most of his friends have gone to USA But my bro is adamant about staying in india only . So he took the harder way . He s getting MD pathology in delhi in first counselling . Was getting DMRD (diploma in radiology) in Goa , etc . He still undecided . Its course vs degree . He will get better options in second counselling . PS - Dad runs a ultrasound clinic . So probably he ll take up DMRD only . DMRD anyday if he has a settled background for Radiology. Insane amount of income. I agree with fatty that doctors are the most overworked bunch. Having just spent three days staying in a hospital I laud them. It's impossible to imagine the kind of stress they go through - at any minute something routine can go horribly wrong and they have people's lives in their hand. Not to mention that every patient is trying to argue about rates and asking reasons for their every move, and the doctors have to be professional through it all. Good that somebody realised it's not that easy for us lot. 48 hour duties are normal. 24 hour duties are normal. f**ked up lab reports are normal. People bickering at us are normal. Trying to save a life and still getting beaten is normal. But I still love it It's damn exciting ! Edited March 8, 2011 by F@tm@n 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinJo Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Now for a personal questions for all the it people here what would you recommend as a good company for a rank fresher I have CONFIRMED offers from Capgemini and TCS (maybe accenture as well) Money is no issue and capgemini is offering me a role in the lines of a a Business Analyst a little help is appreciated Accenture > Capgemini >TCS(Only better than BMC) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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