AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 engg is fcking boring though first time in my life i failed my exams dunno what to do now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Accenture > Capgemini >TCS(Only better than BMC) What is BMC ? and also any reasons for your rating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 engg is fcking boring though first time in my life i failed my exams dunno what to do now Pass the next ones suppli nahi hua to engg kis bat ka>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 engg is fcking boring though first time in my life i failed my exams dunno what to do now Agar 1st year hai to chor Engg. aur MBBS kar le ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Are you simply assuming that there is no poverty in the urban areas? Respect for mota and obaid bhai in other words you rock Nah, you're just not getting what I'm saying. When did I ever say anything about poverty in urban areas. I'm NOT talking about government doctors either, read all my posts again. There is certainly poverty in urban areas aplenty, but what's that got to do with my point about a lot of underhand stuff that happens in PRIVATE CORPORATE HOSPITALS?? Matter of fact, I don't even know what you're getting at by asking me your first question here: You are talking about a demographic that is really very miniscule when compared to India's health needs. People in the rural or even cities like kolkata don't know how to move a mouse reading it in response to my comment about how the "respect" people have for the profession. I made no mention of this rural-urban-poverty issue in the midst of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 engg is fcking boring though first time in my life i failed my exams dunno what to do now Study harder and write your next set of exams and clear that arrear. If I had only studied stuff and aced exams I was interested in then I'd have been detained back in school and never made it to college Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Nah, you're just not getting what I'm saying. When did I ever say anything about poverty in urban areas. I'm NOT talking about government doctors either, read all my posts again. There is certainly poverty in urban areas aplenty, but what's that got to do with my point about a lot of underhand stuff that happens in PRIVATE CORPORATE HOSPITALS?? If you did not know, many of the doctors in the PRIVATE CORPORATE hospitals are actually attached with the GOVT hospitals in some way or the other (Part Time, Faculty or heck even fulltime). What they do is refer all the patients ( Even the very poor ones) to these glorified butcher shops where they part with their arms and legs just to get admission.So in a way it is just wrong to assume that only the filthy rich go here, I could have given the names of the hospitals here but that is not the point Matter of fact, I don't even know what you're getting at by asking me your first question here: reading it in response to my comment about how the "respect" people have for the profession. I made no mention of this rural-urban-poverty issue in the midst of that. As you were talking about how respect for the medical profession is on the decline due to the advent of the Internet I made a point that even the most educated people in India have no knowledge of computers ( Even Doctors falls into this category) yes the trend is new but not of the level you are talking about ( I am speaking of WB and some northern states of course). The only patient who asked my father regarding the treatments and all where a couple of persons from the US of A Edited March 10, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) If you did not know, many of the doctors in the PRIVATE CORPORATE hospitals are actually attached with the GOVT hospitals in some way or the other (Part Time Faculty or heck even fulltime). What they do is refer all the patients ( Even the very poor ones) to these glorified butcher shopswhere they part with their arms and legs just to get admission.So in a way it is just wrong to assume that only the filthy rich go here, I could have given the names of the hospitals here but that is not the point Corruption is always there in any profession. I agree many govt docs refer the patients to their private clinics/hospitals but calling them butcher shops is taking it to far. Don't humiliate a profession until you know the in and out of it. As you were talking about how respect for the medical profession is on the decline due to the advent of the Internet I made a point that even the most educated people in India have no knowledge of computers ( Even Doctors falls into this category) yes the trend is new but not of the level you are talking about ( I am speaking of WB and some northern states ofcourse) Edited March 10, 2011 by F@tm@n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) If you did not know, many of the doctors in the PRIVATE CORPORATE hospitals are actually attached with the GOVT hospitals in some way or the other (Part Time, Faculty or heck even fulltime). What they do is refer all the patients ( Even the very poor ones) to these glorified butcher shops where they part with their arms and legs just to get admission.So in a way it is just wrong to assume that only the filthy rich go here, I could have given the names of the hospitals here but that is not the point As you were talking about how respect for the medical profession is on the decline due to the advent of the Internet I made a point that even the most educated people in India have no knowledge of computers ( Even Doctors falls into this category) yes the trend is new but not of the level you are talking about ( I am speaking of WB and some northern states of course). The only patient who asked my father regarding the treatments and all where a couple of persons from the US of A Well that might be so in your neck of the woods, but not really in private hospitals of the size I'm talking about. Yeah, here we get plenty of patients from places in WB too (among several other places all over India and countries in the Gulf, some in Europe), one of which is Burdhwan (or Bardhaman). Not referred from a govt. hospital but from a private one where a medical camp is held. I think you're getting a completely wrong idea of the scale when I use the word "corporate". Yes, there are some doctors who have part time/ full time faculty status, but not those who already have thriving practices in hospital chains. They do refer some poor patients to pvt ones, then again that number doesn't really fill said private hospitals with a majority of patients who are "poor". And it doesn't quite turn them into butcher shops The "respect decreasing" phenomenon is only PARTLY due to the internet. That was one among several examples I could have given as to why patients feel the need to "demand" rather than accept the treatment prescribed by the doctor. I live in Chennai and I don't see too many Doctors falling into that "not-knowing-about-internet-much" category either. EDIT: Yeah, I didn't want to put it as bluntly as fatty above has said. But same lines. This is all still besides the point as to how "urban areas having poverty" matters anywhere in this. Whether they do or do not have poor people coming in, that doesn't change the fact that the majority of patients coming into these huge hospital chains in Indian Metropolises are of a well-endowed background, or atleast ones with a very decent salary and not exactly poor. Also, you don't need "filthy rich" people coming in to be able to earn a lot as a doctor in a major private hospital. Edited March 10, 2011 by Gaurav - Solitaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Corruption is always there in any profession. I agree many govt docs refer the patients to their private clinics/hospitals but calling them butcher shops is taking it to far. Don't humiliate a profession until you know the in and out of it. @ fatty no bro you have got me wrong there, Here in west bengal almost each and everyday you have patients in big hospitals trying to ransack the place because the authorities refuse to release even dead bodies because of unpaid bills. I you look at my previous posts I mentioned your point as well I am trying to say is that the authorities are here to blame in the scenario and a few greedy doctors who give everyone a bad name and seriously tell me how many hospital authorities actually care about the patient sans the green bucks? @gravs if you consider the hospitals in the south to be the only ones in the country then I can't do anything about it and also think why a person from burdhwan would come all the way down there if it was available in his own state and to say that wb has no big hospital seriously think about it will really sound ridiculous to you as well , I am sure of that Edited March 10, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 @ fatty no bro you have got me wrong there, Here in west bengal almost each and everyday you have patients in big hospitals trying to ransack the place because the authorities refuse to release even dead bodies because of unpaid bills. I you look at my previous posts I mentioned your point as well I am trying to say is that the authorities are here to blame in the scenario and a few greedy doctors who give everyone a bad name and seriously tell me how many hospital authorities actually care about the patient sans the green bucks? Agree with the authorities part. Green is the only bean they digest. :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 @ fatty no bro you have got me wrong there, Here in west bengal almost each and everyday you have patients in big hospitals trying to ransack the place because the authorities refuse to release even dead bodies because of unpaid bills. I you look at my previous posts I mentioned your point as well I am trying to say is that the authorities are here to blame in the scenario and a few greedy doctors who give everyone a bad name and seriously tell me how many hospital authorities actually care about the patient sans the green bucks? That's sad, but think about it from the hospital's perspective. Agreed that a major part of the fee shouldn't be collected if the patient passes off, but some costs have to be recovered regardless. If a fee for treatment has accumulated into a double-digit-lakh range then if the relatives refuse to pay them, this is usually the first step the hospitals take. If you look at it this way, there's friction between hospitals and their doctors too for a number of reasons. Yes, these major private players are out for profit. So when an "insurance case" comes in (as in funded with an insurance-approved certificate but not with actual money), and when said insurance company doesn't pay out over a certain minimum amount, the doctor sometimes has to do the surgery gratis in that he doesn't get ANY fee whatsoever. The hospital uses that money to take care of its own fees. This happens a lot with patients that come from large govt agencies like ONGC and NLC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) @gravs if you consider the hospitals in the south to be the only ones in the country then I can't do anything about it and also think why a person from burdhwan would come all the way down there if it was available in his own state and to say that wb has no big hospital seriously think about it will really sound ridiculous to you as well , I am sure of that What is ridiculous is your ignorance of all but your own part of the country. No doctors all over the country are certainly good with the internet too. Who's saying no big hospitals exist. I know for a fact there's Apollo Gleneagles in Kolkatta too. As for your part about "why a person from burdhwan would come all the way down" that shows how much you know about medical care in our country. Don't mean any offense by it, but yeah, you seriously need to look up some stats. People do travel a lot for medical care when needed. Not every surgeon (I hope you didn't think I was talking about emergency care or purely medical care) in every part of the country does every case well. Doctors from hospitals belonging to these chains will travel quite often (and on a regular basis) to different parts of the country where said chains have medical centers. Patients referred will readily travel to the hospital this doctor is from in order to get treated. Edited March 10, 2011 by Gaurav - Solitaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avkash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) engg is fcking boring though first time in my life i failed my exams dunno what to do now there is no exam in any branch of engineering that can't be cleared with a one-nighter. can't you study for like 12 nights in a WHOLE year and when said insurance company doesn't pay out over a certain minimum amount, the doctor sometimes has to do the surgery gratis in that he doesn't get ANY fee whatsoever. The hospital uses that money to take care of its own fees. This happens a lot with patients that come from large govt agencies like ONGC and NLC. this is a problem because of the corporate nature of the BIG NAME private hospitals. The doctors only end up as being scapegoat. Edited March 10, 2011 by avkash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) That's sad, but think about it from the hospital's perspective. Agreed that a major part of the fee shouldn't be collected if the patient passes off, but some costs have to be recovered regardless. If a fee for treatment has accumulated into a double-digit-lakh range then if the relatives refuse to pay them, this is usually the first step the hospitals take. If you look at it this way, there's friction between hospitals and their doctors too for a number of reasons. Yes, these major private players are out for profit. So when an "insurance case" comes in (as in funded with an insurance-approved certificate but not with actual money), and when said insurance company doesn't pay out over a certain minimum amount, the doctor sometimes has to do the surgery gratis in that he doesn't get ANY fee whatsoever. The hospital uses that money to take care of its own fees. This happens a lot with patients that come from large govt agencies like ONGC and NLC. You know something gravs? the problem is not the hospital trying to recover costs but the fact that it actually admits the patient knowing full well that he will not be able to pay the astronomical fees whatsoever. Before jumping into a conclusion regarding this hear me out The patient party knows that he will not be able to pay the fees so in one hand he can go to the sarkari route where the RMO's may well be on a strike for a pay raise or there is actually no beds to admit the patients and leave alone hygine. God forbid if anyone is in the state he is not able to come up with the fees for some decent health care this is really the only option. It may seem strange to you but go through any news paper from here and you will get a rough idea the hellish situation there exists. 2nd ly the wb GOVT HAS A QUOTA to admit the patients who are not well to do in these large corporate hospitals but the authorities safely ignore that as well. In that sort of the case for a patient in an ICCU for a family that is distraught will be called every alternate hours to the reception to pay the bills. Mind you these places are the last option for these people for even if there was an iota of chance he could have recovered they would definately have looked out for other routes. Now after the patient passes away then comes the ventilator phase still racking up the bills so after paying up bi hourly and each time with a large amount of their savings they are faced with the full and final release. Most people burn through their life savings in a weeks time and insurance becomes a joke when the hospital also inflates each and every expenses on its part and sends them to the claims dept. a 2 lakh insurance will barely keep the roof on the head of the patient for 2-3 days. and if you miss too of the above mentioned bi hourly payment the treatment stops but the bill keeps racking up @ above post of yours as I said you prove my point on how a state with more than 5 sarkari colleges cum nursing home and a plethora of private big name players almost on each nook and corner can't provide the health care to the patients out there and here you are still talking about a place that has WORLD CLASS facilities to start with. Seriously you think a Bihar and a chattish garh a manipur and a tripura can have better facilities than WB? Epic just Epic and for your stats ONE Apollo or an AMRII or even another CMRI can't hide the fact that therte is really no scope for people without the big bucks Edited March 10, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 lol i am always thinking that i will study harder next time but i dont n i am not able to grasp certain stuff told in the class other students understand stuff better thn i do or may be they come prepared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_Another_Guy Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 lol i am always thinking that i will study harder next time but i dont n i am not able to grasp certain stuff told in the class other students understand stuff better thn i do or may be they come prepared to mehnat kar .. read books ... discuss with so called students who seem to understand it .... there is no substitute to hard-work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avkash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) the problem is the whole new corporate Medical structure. I frequently visit the Hiranandani Hospital in Mumbai (closest to my place) and the doctors there swear on how much they hate the whole corporate feel it is almost like working in a factory for them Most doctors would not refuse a patient only because he is unable to pay their fees or afford the treatment for they do have the humanity factor, but not these corporate houses like fatty said above Green is the only bean they digest. :| lol i am always thinking that i will study harder next time but i dont n i am not able to grasp certain stuff told in the class other students understand stuff better thn i do or may be they come prepared no no it's all wrong, engineering is not about classes, it is about relating to stuff in real life, concentrate on concepts. bookish mugging is for idiots and passing is really easy if you understand the concepts, if you want to score then you will HAVE TO mug up, sorry no other alternative which stream you're in ? Edited March 10, 2011 by avkash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 to mehnat kar .. read books ... discuss with so called students who seem to understand it .... there is no substitute to hard-work un so called students se zayda baat nahi karta mai i dont go to cllg tht much coz kuch samaj nahi aata i want to study n i think a lot but i just cant how to do the things which u hate so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avkash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 un so called students se zayda baat nahi karta mai i dont go to cllg tht much coz kuch samaj nahi aata i want to study n i think a lot but i just cant how to do the things which u hate so much again, which stream ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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