Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) You know something gravs? the problem is not the hospital trying to recover costs but the fact that it actually admits the patient knowing full well that he will not be able to pay the astronomical fees whatsoever. Before jumping into a conclusion regarding this hear me out The patient party knows that he will not be able to pay the fees so in one hand he can go to the sarkari route where the RMO's may well be on a strike for a pay raise or there is actually no beds to admit the patients and leave alone hygine. God forbid if anyone is in the state he is not able to come up with the fees for some decent health care this is really the only option. It may seem strange to you but go through any news paper from here and you will get a rough idea the hellish situation there exists. 2nd ly the wb GOVT HAS A QUOTA to admit the patients who are not well to do in these large corporate hospitals but the authorities safely ignore that as well. In that sort of the case for a patient in an ICCU for a family that is distraught will be called every alternate hours to the reception to pay the bills. Mind you these places are the last option for these people for even if there was an iota of chance he could have recovered they would definately have looked out for other routes. Now after the patient passes away then comes the ventilator phase still racking up the bills so after paying up bi hourly and each time with a large amount of their savings they are faced with the full and final release. Most people burn through their life savings in a weeks time and insurance becomes a joke when the hospital also inflates each and every expenses on its part and sends them to the claims dept. a 2 lakh insurance will barely keep the roof on the head of the patient for 2-3 days. and if you miss too of the above mentioned bi hourly payment the treatment stops but the bill keeps racking up Who's saying the bills DON'T rack up. It's the patient's prerogative these days to know the costs involved as with any service. Obviously the private players aren't just looking out for the patients well being. They're there to make a profit. All coming back to the point where I began with "Medicine is becoming less of a 'noble service' and more of a business". The problem is that you think I'm concluding different.... I'm not. @ above post of yours as I said you prove my point on how a state with more than 5 sarkari colleges cum nursing home and a plethora of private big name players almost on each nook and corner can't provide the health care to the patients out there and here you are still talking about a place that has WORLD CLASS facilities to start with. Seriously you think a Bihar and a chattish garh a manipur and a tripura can have better facilities than WB? Epic just Epic and for your stats ONE Apollo or an AMRII or even another CMRI can't hide the fact that therte is really no scope for people without the big bucks Wow, 5 GOVT MEDICAL COLLEGES. Color me impressed. 17 completely government ones here, and 3 right in the city here. That's without throwing in the govt. aided ones or the private ones. One apollo? The chain is the largest private healthcare provider in Asia and third largest in the world with hospitals in 8 countries OTHER than india too, plus telemedicine centres in rural areas around the country. So let's not argue as to how relevant that is. Shows how well you bothered reading my posts Would you like to point out where I mentioned any of those states? I clearly said "BIG METROPOLISES". Missed that eh? Now who's epic? Not saying there ain't people from Mumbai and Delhi and Chennai getting treated in their own cities for every problem you can name, but medical travel is quite widespread. Edited March 10, 2011 by Gaurav - Solitaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 there is no exam in any branch of engineering that can't be cleared with a one-nighter. can't you study for like 12 nights in a WHOLE year this is a problem because of the corporate nature of the BIG NAME private hospitals. The doctors only end up as being scapegoat. dude passed my last 3 sems like that only but now i have started caring less n the reason i failed was that i didnt even study during my exams n failed in 3 dunno what is happening to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 again, which stream ? etnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Who's saying the bills DON'T rack up. It's the patient's prerogative these days to know the costs involved as with any service. Obviously the private players aren't just looking out for the patients well being. They're there to make a profit. All coming back to the point where I began with "Medicine is becoming less of a 'noble service' and more of a business". The problem is that you think I'm concluding different.... I'm not. Wow, 5 GOVT MEDICAL COLLEGES. Color me impressed. 17 completely government ones here, and 3 right in the city here. That's without throwing in the govt. aided ones. One apollo? The chain is the largest private healthcare provider in Asia and third largest in the world with hospitals in 8 countries OTHER than india too, plus telemedicine centres in rural areas around the country. So let's not argue as to how relevant that is. Shows how well you bothered reading my posts Would you like to point out where I mentioned any of those states? I clearly said "BIG METROPOLISES". Missed that eh? Now who's epic? In West Bengal you say? and seriously the chain is not in wb am I rite? So in a way you seem to suggest that the mere presence of Appolo is going to take care of all of us because it is a big NAME wow did not know that the next time I fall sick I ll say Nothing will happen to me as Appollo is there wich has x amount of hospitals in India and Asia lol Edited March 10, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 dude passed my last 3 sems like that only but now i have started caring less n the reason i failed was that i didnt even study during my exams n failed in 3 dunno what is happening to me See, now you've identified the reason. All you need to do is study for a while. Just don't have any arrears when campus placements come around. A number of companies insist on no standing arrears and a few even say "no history of arrears". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avkash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 dude passed my last 3 sems like that only but now i have started caring less n the reason i failed was that i didnt even study during my exams n failed in 3 dunno what is happening to me happens to everybody at least once in Engg, relax use this as the eye-opener and that god that this did not happen in the final semister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 In West Bengal you say? and seriously the chain is not in wb am I rite? RIGHT HERE = the state of Tamil Nadu. Which I used as a base when I mentioned Chennai. To which you replied earlier. Come on man, don't make me put in footnotes of reference to each and every post I make prior to the current one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 ok will try to study now n how to prepare for gmat? coz thinking of doing my pg from abroad.. how much score should u have in college to get a decent college abroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 RIGHT HERE = the state of Tamil Nadu. Which I used as a base when I mentioned Chennai. To which you replied earlier. Come on man, don't make me put in footnotes of reference to each and every post I make prior to the current one. All this time I was talking of the East (WB) and you of the south and never the twain shall meet...clearly dude I know how health care is down south I am talking of the eastern part of the countrty lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 ok will try to study now n how to prepare for gmat? coz thinking of doing my pg from abroad.. how much score should u have in college to get a decent college abroad You're abandoning engineering too GMAT / GRE scores alone are no indication dude. Just don't go by them (I discovered that through personal experience this year ), they're just an initial qualifying criterion. And if you're planning to write GMAT and do a management degree in a reputed (I'm talking top 10 or top 20 in the world) college here, don't try and apply with almost no work experience. They don't really warm up to that idea. They look for 2+ years of work ex atleast. I think GMAT scores definitely need to be 710+ atleast for programs in places like Harvard and Stanford GSB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) ok will try to study now n how to prepare for gmat? coz thinking of doing my pg from abroad.. how much score should u have in college to get a decent college abroad Concentrate on passing as of now GMAT (if you want an mba) will have to wait till you get some work ex Do not I repeat donot get a filthy score in your degree if you are serious about studying abroad ( or India ) Edited March 10, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufyan Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 RIGHT HERE = the state of Tamil Nadu. Which I used as a base when I mentioned Chennai. To which you replied earlier. Come on man, don't make me put in footnotes of reference to each and every post I make prior to the current one. Tamil Nadu is one of the most corrupt state when it comes to medical education They wont be a part of the nationwide common CET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 All this time I was talking of the East (WB) and you of the south and never the twain shall meet...clearly dude I know how health care is down south I am talking of the eastern part of the countrty lol I was talking of BOTH the south and the east and comparing. And I was being critical when I said "Color me impressed". The part before that was a reference to your comment on WB, the part after on TN. I can do a similar comparison with Maharashtra and WB too, but nothing is a definite indicator. People do travel to get medical care, and they travel a LOT in addition to people getting treatment from their home towns. I daresay that some doctors here have made their fortunes entirely off the backs of patients coming from WB Give me a few more years at home and I'll have learnt Bengali from answering patients' calls. Thing is a lot of them are loathe to speak in Hindi (I prefer English) and they won't switch to either english or hindi. A BIGGER problem is that I have my Dad's voice. Identical, especially over phone. So convincing them that they aren't speaking to "doctor saab" is very very very difficult, more so when they can't understand what I'm speaking. It just happens that there are a lot of people traveling to other parts to get treated. Lets just leave it at that, stop the OT and let the thread go back to career advice lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Tamil Nadu is one of the most corrupt state when it comes to medical education They wont be a part of the nationwide common CET Fully agree. Our good leaders have a great part to play in that. Government quota seats are given to bigwigs in politics. Refer my posts over the previous few pages and you'll see I've even referred to a prominent (and very good) private college in the city by name while mentioning how much they take in the name of donations. You see we have reservations everywhere, even more so than any other state. So getting admission into the top colleges, whether engineering or medicine is very difficult if you're a "Forward caste" (so-called, I don't see how I'm any more 'forward' than the next person ) individual if you miss that perfect 100 mark and get just a 99 percent score. Edited March 10, 2011 by Gaurav - Solitaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I was talking of BOTH the south and the east and comparing. And I was being critical when I said "Color me impressed". The part before that was a reference to your comment on WB, the part after on TN. I can do a similar comparison with Maharashtra and WB too, but nothing is a definite indicator. People do travel to get medical care, and they travel a LOT in addition to people getting treatment from their home towns. I daresay that some doctors here have made their fortunes entirely off the backs of patients coming from WB Give me a few more years at home and I'll have learnt Bengali from answering patients' calls. Thing is a lot of them are loathe to speak in Hindi (I prefer English) and they won't switch to either english or hindi. A BIGGER problem is that I have my Dad's voice. Identical, especially over phone. So convincing them that they aren't speaking to "doctor saab" is very very very difficult, more so when they can't understand what I'm speaking. It just happens that there are a lot of people traveling to other parts to get treated. Lets just leave it at that, stop the OT and let the thread go back to career advice lol. ON the same boat I see , same here as well If I had one penny of each time I had to cut them half way to tell them my dad's modile number lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngerSmash Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 You're abandoning engineering too GMAT / GRE scores alone are no indication dude. Just don't go by them (I discovered that through personal experience this year ), they're just an initial qualifying criterion. And if you're planning to write GMAT and do a management degree in a reputed (I'm talking top 10 or top 20 in the world) college here, don't try and apply with almost no work experience. They don't really warm up to that idea. They look for 2+ years of work ex atleast. I think GMAT scores definitely need to be 710+ atleast for programs in places like Harvard and Stanford GSB. lol cant study more engg lol thn i have to anyhow study and get through campus selection TCS ftw i have heard the english part in these exams is very tough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 ON the same boat I see , same here as well If I had one penny of each time I had to cut them half way to tell them my dad's modile number lol Best calls ever though were one Spanish bugger and Korean guy. The latter with his chopped up English (don't know how else to put it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Best calls ever though were one Spanish bugger and Korean guy. The latter with his chopped up English (don't know how else to put it). Try taking the calls of person who does not know the number system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 lol cant study more engg lol thn i have to anyhow study and get through campus selection TCS ftw i have heard the english part in these exams is very tough Donno about GMAT but GRE English is a load of crap you'll probably never use in day-to-day life. The format's changing though, so if you do write the GRE you'll be writing a different test than the one I took when your time comes. Whatever you do, get a job on campus as back up. Get a low paying non-core job if you're worried (like I was) about taking up someone else's chance at a big employment offer in a core industry. I gave up an 8.8 lakh offer from IOCL (indian Oil Corp) and took up Beroe's (see you wouldn't even have heard of them) research analyst offer as a back-up so that people who really needed it didn't miss out. It isn't that hard to get a job through campus selection. Companies like TCS and Infosys will take plenty of people. Some 700-800 were chosen this time around from my univ (Anna Univ, Chennai - and I mean only the constituent colleges CEG MIT and ACT) by just one of these software co's. All the while keep preparing for that GMAT exam. It's just a test anyway, you don't need to be a genius to ace any test as long as you know the route to take to beat particular tests. I know people with a 1550+ in their GRE but were frankly morons and their spoken english wasn't up to scratch. It's all a question of practice and a smattering of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip3r Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Donno about GMAT but GRE English is a load of crap you'll probably never use in day-to-day life. The format's changing though, so if you do write the GRE you'll be writing a different test than the one I took when your time comes. Whatever you do, get a job on campus as back up. Get a low paying non-core job if you're worried (like I was) about taking up someone else's chance at a big employment offer in a core industry. I gave up an 8.8 lakh offer from IOCL (indian Oil Corp) and took up Beroe's (see you wouldn't even have heard of them) research analyst offer as a back-up so that people who really needed it didn't miss out. It isn't that hard to get a job through campus selection. Companies like TCS and Infosys will take plenty of people. Some 700-800 were chosen this time around from my univ (Anna Univ, Chennai - and I mean only the constituent colleges CEG MIT and ACT) by just one of these software co's. All the while keep preparing for that GMAT exam. It's just a test anyway, you don't need to be a genius to ace any test as long as you know the route to take to beat particular tests. I know people with a 1550+ in their GRE but were frankly morons and their spoken english wasn't up to scratch. It's all a question of practice and a smattering of luck. Got my fingers burnt by trying to go through the same route as well... But then again the offer I took up was looking good enough on pen and paper but it was just that good on paper. The company was nowhere to figure with the likes you have mentioned. Sometimes the most obvious route is still the best only some times But phew IOCL gg man Edited March 10, 2011 by Vip3r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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