shekdown Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 What I hate is the way everyone blames only the government for corruption. Corruption is ripe everywhere. Every single person contributes to it. So its not like only the govt are corrupt. So are the people. Every rupee that is hidden from the authorities or tax is not paid on. Every little bribe that you pay a cop at a signal for not wearing a helmet. Like someone already said, corruption is too ingrained in the society and the system to call for it to be eradicated. The non-corrupt people will get swept by the tide for their behaviour, even they are forced to turn to corrupt means. It is just too difficult. And to overhaul the whole thing overnight would be crazy. What needs to be done, is put into place a 10 year plan. Or a 20 year plan. And work towards achieving an objective over this period. Its just not going to happen in 3-5 years etc. It'd foolish to claim that it will. I for one thought Mumbai and Maharashtra would be the first city and state to help bring about change after the Mumbai Terrorist attacks a couple of years back. The anti-govt chants and activism. And the enough of enough tag-line. It had me really going. But how foolish I was to believe that it was really going to happen. It was merely a media sensationalized story. 1 week later, enough was enough, it was replaced with Priyanka Chopra having a fight with her barber. Its such a sad thing. To be honest, even the media who will propagate anti-corruption aid corruption themselves. Pray tell me how NDTV and other news channels get information so fast. They even had the C&AG Report for the recent scams, before it went to the committee for review. They definitely have to bribe somebody or pay someone extra to get this information. Hence, aiding the corruption in the society. Its far far far too prevalent to talk about so simply. Only a long term plan can salvage anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 ^^ I need to find those officials who are working tirelessly and SELFLESSLY.... so far in any govt department I go,.. I see corruption, so if they are doing some thing sincerely then it is not visible or may be these selfless and tireless IAS are in so minority that it doesnt shows. In any case I am paying tax and for that reason I stand by my statement because thats my money. Also the majority is always counted and not exceptions... how can you ascertain the majority is the one that is corrupt ? if everyone is so entangled in corruption then how is it that we as a country has been surviving for 60 years ? why have we not gone the way of the many african, south asian countries where corruption is of unimaginable numbers ? more over you had interactions with what levels of officers ? and how are you blaming the entire ias cadre for that ? There are people lots of people who do work sincerely, but still do corruption. You know about these Anti Corruption bureaucrats right ? Well how would you react if I tell you that these people are just as corrupt as anyone else ? Here's what they do..they'll carry out a raid at someone's place and once they estimate the total worth of the property they'll demand a percentage in order to keep their mouth shut....yes its blackmailing but the person in question has no other choice other than to lose his job, so he'll always comply with the demands of the Anti Corruption bureaucrats. yes sir i am perfectly aware of how stuff works, i come from a family of govt officers. I know that corruption is a bane for our public sector and yes, a big number of officers are involved in unscrupulous activities but painting them as the face of the whole bureaucratic behemoth is excessive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont have problems with people abusing the corrupt or asking for punishment, but i DO have problems when couple odd stories here and there of officials abusing their power are picked up by guys and they run along with it citing that all civil service is corrupt and filled with money making individuals caring nothing about the duty or law. I cant find the exact article on net but you guys will do well reading yearly specials that come in INDIA TODAY that mentions certain ias/ips officer that have gone out of the way to benefit their local community. I am not saying each officer is like that; yes there is corruption but civil services is not mutually exclusive in that regards. There are scams done by CA's MBA's CEO's lawyers aplenty, tata was caught in the radia tapes, r. raju before him; yet no one uses any profession among them as the poster child for abuse of power ? why ? Its this Uninformed and rather bias towards bureaucrats that pushes my buttons, and its not sudden, i have had this arguments many a times before; The moment i told my friends that i will be preparing for the said exam, most were of the idea that its a great way to make money and frankly that notion that any lay person whithout knowing the work profile just assumes a bureaucrat to be dishonest sloth disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Mumbai has plenty of activism and talk about being a 'mumbaikar'.. not much else Hold some candlelight vigils and protests, run a marathon once in a while, Bob's your uncle and Fanny's your aunt and it's back to being the same sorry state they were before. Much the same everywhere. See my last big comment on the "Shek's tax idea" thread in Genchat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paapi Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 how can you ascertain the majority is the one that is corrupt ? if everyone is so entangled in corruption then how is it that we as a country has been surviving for 60 years ? why have we not gone the way of the many african, south asian countries where corruption is of unimaginable numbers ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are scams done by CA's MBA's CEO's lawyers aplenty, tata was caught in the radia tapes, r. raju before him; yet no one uses any profession among them as the poster child for abuse of power ? why ? For your first point, tell me this thing please that inspite of 60 years of independence, we dont have electricity, we dont have food for poor, shelter for poor, the basic amenity which is water, even that is not there. why? Now why we have not gone the way of many african contuntries etc.. 1) We as an Indian still do the work we are suppose to do BUT we take some extra amount to do it or if 50 rupees are sanctioned then 20 rs will be spent only. I cannot agree that corruption is not rampant and majority is not corrupt. The list start with politicians and goes down to officials. Scams are done by CAs and MBAs CEOs but how many do u recall at first? When I think of it all I can think of is Harshad Mehta scam, Satyam founder B Raju's scam, The recent scam done by citibank. The news about the scam done by such professional is very less compared to done by politcians and officials. Tell me one govt department which doesnt accepts bribe if u think that majority is not corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shekdown Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Tell me one govt department which doesnt accepts bribe if u think that majority is not corrupt. Tell me one department where people refuse to pay bribe to, if you think its majorly only the govt that is corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeehunter Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Tell me one department where people refuse to pay bribe to, if you think its majorly only the govt that is corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man In The Box Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 All this should go in a 'news' thread but we don't have one. Bulovski, unlock my thread. I hope by now you would have realised the difference between 'news' and 'breaking news' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 All this should go in a 'news' thread but we don't have one. Bulovski, unlock my thread. I hope by now you would have realised the difference between 'news' and 'breaking news' yaar tu bulovski ke peeche par gaya hai...bula bhai khol de newsthread nahi toh avishkar ko chain nahi milega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitaire Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 yaar tu bulovski ke peeche par gaya hai...bula bhai khol de newsthread nahi toh avishkar ko chain nahi milega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 For your first point, tell me this thing please that inspite of 60 years of independence, we dont have electricity, we dont have food for poor, shelter for poor, the basic amenity which is water, even that is not there. why? Now why we have not gone the way of many african contuntries etc.. 1) We as an Indian still do the work we are suppose to do BUT we take some extra amount to do it or if 50 rupees are sanctioned then 20 rs will be spent only. I cannot agree that corruption is not rampant and majority is not corrupt. The list start with politicians and goes down to officials. Scams are done by CAs and MBAs CEOs but how many do u recall at first? When I think of it all I can think of is Harshad Mehta scam, Satyam founder B Raju's scam, The recent scam done by citibank. The news about the scam done by such professional is very less compared to done by politcians and officials. Tell me one govt department which doesnt accepts bribe if u think that majority is not corrupt. bold part - WTF u talkin about ni**a? WE Don't have electricity...then how the f**k r u and me and WE r on teh internetz? ohwaitamin did i say internet? i hope u know what it is... rest of the part is pretty boring stuff to which nimmo has already replied...so Tell me one department where people refuse to pay bribe to, if you think its majorly only the govt that is corrupt. win +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I for one thought Mumbai and Maharashtra would be the first city and state to help bring about change after the Mumbai Terrorist attacks a couple of years back. The anti-govt chants and activism. And the enough of enough tag-line. It had me really going. But how foolish I was to believe that it was really going to happen. It was merely a media sensationalized story. 1 week later, enough was enough, it was replaced with Priyanka Chopra having a fight with her barber. Its such a sad thing. To be honest, even the media who will propagate anti-corruption aid corruption themselves. its always been that way ....Why do you think it was so easy for handful of british to occupy India(which included pakistan also at that time) for 300 years??..according to some statistics i had read once ...for 60000 Indians there was 1 British ........ our thinking is like that only always....waqt ke saath sab thik ho jayega....at the end of the day we dont think its our job...so we leave it to babu's to make everything right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megzworld Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 How many of us have taken the Driving test for license and how many got it through Agents? How many of us give the Traffic Police "Sau Ka Patta" and go right ahead break more rules? How many of us have paid Police for our verification stamp to apply for a Passport? How many of us pay Donations in school and college? How many of us break our head with our CAs to find innovative ways to evade tax? How many of us evade custom duty and even flaunt it as smartness? How many of us can keep a hand on our heart and say that If we were in their chair and if someone was offering us few Crores to do them a favor we would still not do it?? Gentlemen, we are all corrupt once , twice... or more. Sometimes due to system, sometimes by choice. We can write and blame the Government and it's officials but all those notes that go in their hidden lockers come from our pockets and from the pockets of millions who do not mind paying bribe to get their work done. I agree Corruption is a big problem, but are we at our levels doing enough to kill it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praveer Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Precisely ! Its easy to be an armchair analyst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man In The Box Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 How many of us have taken the Driving test for license and how many got it through Agents? How many of us give the Traffic Police "Sau Ka Patta" and go right ahead break more rules? How many of us have paid Police for our verification stamp to apply for a Passport? How many of us pay Donations in school and college? How many of us break our head with our CAs to find innovative ways to evade tax? How many of us evade custom duty and even flaunt it as smartness? How many of us can keep a hand on our heart and say that If we were in their chair and if someone was offering us few Crores to do them a favor we would still not do it?? Most of your points themselves show how corrupt our government officials are. For point number 1 : If you wan't to give your driving test without any agent and in a proper way ... then check it out. After your driving test is complete, there is a line for your orals where the police guy asks you some questions regarding traffic signs. Now I had done it WITHOUT an agent and it was a terrible mistake. I was standing in a line of 25 people. But that's fine. I don't mind. However, after a few minutes around 5...then 15...and finally another 20 people went to the front of the line as they had come through agents. When we went to complain, the person said you give us 1000 rupees each and I will get you to the front of the line. So yeah, what's the point of not doing it through an agent? For point number 3 : I had to get a police verification stamp as i'm going abroad next month for 3 years and that stamp is compulsary. The last date for filing for a visa was 20 December and I applied for the verification stamp ont he 20th of August. Believe me, I did it the right way without no bribe and guess what? It was December 5th and my file had not even gone to the 2nd stage. I was so sad that time and thought it's all over. Then my office staff bribed the person 10k rupees and I got my verification on the 9th of December. So yeah, if I had a choice to do it the right and proper way, I would have done it but all that would leave me with is a year wasted and depression. As for the last point, well it clearly depends on what the person is asking. And as for point number 2 ... you go the the UK, America or any other place in the world and ask them, "Guys if you had a choice that you'll could bribe the police 2 pounds or 2 dollars and get away with speeding fines, drunk driving, etc ... would you do it?" Well, all of them would say yes. Why shouldn't we bribe them 100 rs and get away if they take it? If an American officer would accept a bribe of 2-3 $ then everyone would bribe him but they don't ask for it. That is because the Government pays them enough. So please do not say that it is WE who pay them and WE are corrupted. What should we do? Tell the officer, "Sir please fine me because I will not give you bribe as I don't want the easy way out?" No one wants to go with all the formalities and they all want the short route. It's the duty of the police officer to not accept bribe and if he does, well why shouldn't you just pay him Rs. 100 and get over with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paapi Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 bold part - WTF u talkin about ni**a? WE Don't have electricity...then how the f**k r u and me and WE r on teh internetz? ohwaitamin did i say internet? i hope u know what it is... rest of the part is pretty boring stuff to which nimmo has already replied...so win +1 Using cuss words and retard language wont prove a point. Better learn how to put the point forward or just STFU. Every one in entitled to his opinion. If you dont agree with what I say it is your prerogative and vice versa but if you want to debate then LEARN to debate. Or may be it was my fault to discuss it with some one as retard as you who. This very well shows what kind of (if you will be) govt official you will make. I wont reply to any of ur posts any further coz I have better things to do then to sit on INTERNET (oh yes I know what it is) and debate with someone who doesnt know have basic of engaging an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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