AK77 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Max Payne never had non-linear campaign, so expecting it to be open world would have been ultra stupid. And MP3 campaign was not short. It was twice the length of average COD campaign and around 3 times the length of MOH campaign. I own the game both on PC and PS3, and never played MP on either, and got my money's worth. It is all in the mindset of gamers these days rather than developers. If the game is MP heavy, then only decide about getting for MP. Depending on MP for deciding about buying SP focussed games which have tacked on MP is stupid. Thank god 2k have made it clear that Bioshock Infinite wont have MP, otherwise that topic would have been full with idiots asking about how is MP or how bad is MP and other BS that the game does not deserve. why did you give example of cod and shitty moh? both are fps with online multiplayer being the main crux of the game.Also who plays these recent fps games for singleplayer (please don't bring borderlands here),Also this max payne had too much cinematics and scripted gameplay.You bought on both PS3 and PC (maybe you have enough money) but look in the perspective of an average gamer who spends almost 3k (if console) than atleast he expects a good amount of gameplay length in return.So that's why MP is much needed to not only appeal it to masses but also get some good sales (DLC pass also comes here) by the way i am also happy with the fact that bioshock infinite won't have a MP.But still MP has a huge importance these days...........which you can't deny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Why are people so obsessed over multi-player these days. Play Call of Duly OR BattleField if you want that, don't try to bench other games on the same page. I multi-player is AWESOME = game AWESOME! If no then second-hand. LOL, he's not benching anything .... if he doesn't want to buy the game first hand if MP is average, that's his opinion ! Different gamers / different tastes .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 LOL, he's not benching anything .... if he doesn't want to buy the game first hand if MP is average, that's his opinion ! Different gamers / different tastes .... ^^ He is benching the game w.r.t. the multi-player mode; it is not a direct comparison and that is why certain gamers pan narrative based approaches vis-á-vis CoD style claustrophobic gun runner games. Not every shooter is supposed to be a multi-player frag-fest. P.S. -- Ek Tha Warfighter did not help the narrative based shooter scenario. On different gamers, different tastes I have already accepted that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@@di Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Exactly not benchin it really excited bout the game gonna play it But if no mp no point for me buyin it !! Even if I do I'll play single player once maybe twice but if mp can play for a longer time which'll be worth 2.5k So I'd rather rent it or buy second hand Btw for those who haven ordered yet available at 10%discount on grabbbit.com and game4u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK77 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 But if no mp no point for me buyin it !! Even if I do I'll play single player once maybe twice but if mp can play for a longer time which'll be worth 2.5k So I'd rather rent it or buy second hand yeah that's what i said-game should be worth the money spent.So a good MP is much needed these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ^^ He is benching the game w.r.t. the multi-player mode; it is not a direct comparison and that is why certain gamers pan narrative based approaches vis-á-vis CoD style claustrophobic gun runner games. Not every shooter is supposed to be a multi-player frag-fest. When the devs claim to be including a MP, why not ? There's nothing wrong in expecting it to be good. If its not supposed to be a MP frag fest, why did the dev bother adding it in the first place ? Just because me and you like SP more than MP, doesn't mean everybody should. BTW, MP is present in Farcry games since FC1 IIRC, just that, it was always half sassed and if someone doesn't want to buy it because of that, I see nothing wrong. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meaNmachine Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Screen Tearing is there on both 360 and PS3. But it's not enough to detract from the experience, but it is noticeable. A patch should fix it. Visually 360 version looks little better than PS3 version. PC version of course looks best. But we all know it is the same story with all Multiplatform games. Point is the game will be equally enjoyable on all platforms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 When the devs claim to be including a MP, why not? There's nothing wrong in expecting it to be good. If its not supposed to be a MP frag fest, why did the dev bother adding it in the first place ? Just because me and you like SP more than MP, doesn't mean everybody should. ^^ Here you go mate, one reason why not all games should be judged against some lame-reason of multi-player if the single-player is good enough -- Spec Ops The Line developer says multi-player should not exist / Spec Ops multiplayer is “tacked-on bullshit”, says lead designer ^^ Ironically 2K financed and forced a 'typical' multi-player on a deeply atypical game. Great INFINITE is not carrying that burden. Expectations are shaped by contemporaries. It is like saying you will buy CRYSIS 3 because of its deep narrative and excellent multi-player and Deus Ex Human Revolution boss fights were good level designs / player pieces. What bunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Exactly not benchin it really excited bout the game gonna play it But if no mp no point for me buyin it !! Even if I do I'll play single player once maybe twice but if mp can play for a longer time which'll be worth 2.5k So I'd rather rent it or buy second hand SP is of 25 hrs minimum. And you say once maybe twice means easily 50 hrs. If 50 hrs of gameplay doesn't deserve your money then no idea what does. My point is FFS dont look for MP in non-linear open world games. That is not something you should base your decision on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK77 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ^^ Here you go mate, one reason why not all games should be judged against some lame-reason of multi-player if the single-player is good enough -- Spec Ops The Line developer says multi-player should not exist / Spec Ops multiplayer is “tacked-on bullshit”, says lead designer ^^ Ironically 2K financed and forced a 'typical' multi-player on a deeply atypical game. Great INFINITE is not carrying that burden. Expectations are shaped by contemporaries. It is like saying you will buy CRYSIS 3 because of its deep narrative and excellent multi-player and Deus Ex Human Revolution boss fights were good level designs / player pieces. What bunk. but see the end result- game didn't sell well.Maybe single player was good but it doesn't deserve a 60$ cause of no re playability.So no matter how good a single player campaign is there has to be some extra features to survive.......People might buy it but only after price drop but definitely not 1st day buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 .Maybe single player was good but it doesn't deserve a 60$ cause of no re playability That is what you think and that is the exact problem of gaming this gen. If a game is pricey, wait for a drop. But dont say it didn't sell because it didn't have MP. Last gen was so good with some epic games since devs didn't have to worry about MP for selling the copies. And it was cheap, because sh*t like COD was not there to make people become addicted to MP and then charge 60 USD for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 but see the end result- game didn't sell well.Maybe single player was good but it doesn't deserve a 60$ cause of no re playability.So no matter how good a single player campaign is there has to be some extra features to survive.......People might buy it but only after price drop but definitely not 1st day buy ^^ Okay I am going to be brazen, I PIRATED THE GAME! Then I bought it (last week in fact for ~650/- quid not a great discount), because they deserve credit more than some hunky-junky jingoistic military shooter. The shooter feels like a shooter but underneath it lies 'The Heart of Darkness', the game talks to you, feeds you tales of malaise and by the end you realize the hollowness of the current crop of Call of Honour: Medal of WarFighter games. You can bench games however you want, just don't expect a great multi-player component all the time because either it will be a CoD clone OR a BF 3 clone OR something so radical (WarFighter-esque) that you will not enjoy it for what it is. KTHXBAI That is what you think and that is the exact problem of gaming this gen. If a game is pricey, wait for a drop. But dont say it didn't sell because it didn't have MP. Thanks for being so succinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ^^ Here you go mate, one reason why not all games should be judged against some lame-reason of multi-player if the single-player is good enough -- Spec Ops The Line developer says multi-player should not exist / Spec Ops multiplayer is “tacked-on bullshit”, says lead designer ^^ Ironically 2K financed and forced a 'typical' multi-player on a deeply atypical game. Great INFINITE is not carrying that burden. That's not my problem. If a dev feels whether MP is reqd / not reqd and developing the game based on that is his perspective/choice. Buying his product is my choice. It is like saying you will buy CRYSIS 3 because of its deep narrative and excellent multi-player and Deus Ex Human Revolution boss fights were good level designs / player pieces. What bunk. It might appear bunk to you and that other guy you quoted, but, again, as a customer its my decision. If the dev can't cater to my choices, I ain't gonna buy his product. Capiche ? PS: Just for the record, I hardly play MP, and prefer playing SP and even there, I prefer games with good plot/writing. And I've shun many games when they did not have them. Whether game was "supposed" to have them or not, I don't care. I did not buy them as it did not meet my criteria of a game worth buying ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK77 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 @Rock-this is not what i say....but the sales and even rockstar says with their revenue ....also alpha bro would you have bought this it was priced at 2500?i doubt it...So how do you expect a game of AAA game publisher to sell when everyone will wait for price drop only.... CONCLUSION- they have to add a MP to appeal to masses so that everyone can enjoy and get their money worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALPHA17 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 It might appear bunk to you and that other guy you quoted, but, again, as a customer its my decision. If the dev can't cater to my choices, I ain't gonna buy his product. Capiche ? PS: Just for the record, I hardly play MP, and prefer playing SP and even there, I prefer games with good plot/writing. And I've shun many games when they did not have them. Whether game was "supposed" to have them or not, I don't care. I did not buy them as it did not meet my criteria of a game worth buying ! Thank you for not understanding sarcasm. I will be blunt in the future. also alpha bro would you have bought this it was priced at 2500?i doubt it. ^^ Yes. I would have bought it. I bought The Witcher 2 original edition way back when it released for ~2799/- (for PC). I am sorry but this discussion is descending in an endless spiral so I am not going to fuel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ne0 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 That is what you think and that is the exact problem of gaming this gen. If a game is pricey, wait for a drop. But dont say it didn't sell because it didn't have MP. Last gen was so good with some epic games since devs didn't have to worry about MP for selling the copies. And it was cheap, because sh*t like COD was not there to make people become addicted to MP and then charge 60 USD for it. Every gen has its share of epic games, and its always that ppl lament about how the previous gen was golden compared to the current one. Just go on neogaf, and there are grand daddies who swear on how the PS1/pre-PS1 era was the golden age of gaming and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Drake' Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 SP is of 25 hrs minimum. And you say once maybe twice means easily 50 hrs. If 50 hrs of gameplay doesn't deserve your money then no idea what does. My point is FFS dont look for MP in non-linear open world games. That is not something you should base your decision on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Every gen has its share of epic games, and its always that ppl lament about how the previous gen was golden compared to the current one. Just go on neogaf, and there are grand daddies who swear on how the PS1/pre-PS1 era was the golden age of gaming and all that. I have been playing games since NES era. In fact, I played more games on PS1 than PS2. And no, I dont say PS1 or NES era was the best. For me, last gen i.e PS2/Gamecube/Xbox gen was the best in gaming. We had excellent challenging games with good enough graphics which still look great. This gen promised a lot, but it went to hell after MP became mainstream and devs lost their focus. Maybe due to budgets, maybe due to Japanese devs starting to cater to western audience, whatever the reason, this gen didn't quite cut it for me. And here we are, people expecting good MP in an open world game, and then deciding to buy it 2nd hand because MP might be bad (2nd hand buying is closest thing to legit piracy, lets not go there) when everyone already expects it will be a tacked on (it might be good, but no one really cares) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Drake' Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 ^^^^^^^ +1 bro the last gen indeed was best . those days were amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK77 Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 PS: Just for the record, I hardly play MP, and prefer playing SP and even there, I prefer games with good plot/writing. And I've shun many games when they did not have them. Whether game was "supposed" to have them or not, I don't care. I did not buy them as it did not meet my criteria of a game worth buying ! but far cry 3 doesn't have any good storyline/plot.So that means you will not buy this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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