Sach4life Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) I had probably stopped watching the E by the time that Carlito thing happened. But yes, people were expecting Scott Steiner and Booker T to win, and that was not something abnormal. Why do you think that people should not have expected Triple H to lose to Scott Steiner and Booker T? Because horrible is the word that should be used for scott steiner's wrestling when he returned in 2003. He was pathetic to say the least. As far as booker t is concerned, despite him being a 5 time champion in wcw, he was never popular to the extent of him being the champion of raw. Edited December 21, 2014 by sach4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Because horrible is the word that should be used for scott steiner's wrestling when he returned in 2003. He was pathetic to say the least. As far as booker t is concerned, despite him being a 5 time champion in wcw, he was never popular to the extent of him being the champion of raw. Both Steiner and Booker T were quite popular at that time, I don't know how you are making that assumption that they weren't. And since when has the world title holder been determined by his technical/wrestling prowess(there have been lots of exceptions both before and after those matches)? Both were extremely over and that's all that matters. Edited December 21, 2014 by Ph3N0M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Both Steiner and Booker T were quite popular at that time. And since when has the world title holder been determined by his technical/wrestling prowess(there have been lots of exceptions both before and after those matches)? Both were extremely over and that's all that matters.Nobody is asking for a wrestler to be a technical powerhouse. HHH isn't one himself. A wrestler has to be entertaining. Scott steiner was horrible in his second run. You should see his matches with HHH. Probably the worst set of hhh's matches (apart from those against khali). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Nobody is asking for a wrestler to be a technical powerhouse. HHH isn't one himself. A wrestler has to be entertaining. Scott steiner was horrible in his second run. You should see his matches with HHH. Probably the worst set of hhh's matches (apart from those against khali). I saw his matches when they happened. I was a child at that time and so can't comment on how good/bad those matches were technically. But I can say one thing, I was extremely pumped up when Steiner's siren music first hit up on one of the RAWs before Royal Rumble, and I was fully expecting him to defeat Triple H. I had seen him as the world champion during WCW's last days and was a huge fan. You just can't say he was not popular. Just look at the crowd reactions that he got. Same for Booker T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I saw his matches when they happened. I was a child at that time and so can't comment on how good/bad those matches were technically. But I can say one thing, I was extremely pumped up when Steiner's siren music first hit up on one of the RAWs before Royal Rumble, and I was fully expecting him to defeat Triple H. I had seen him as the world champion during WCW's last days and was a huge fan. You just can't say he was not popular. Just look at the crowd reactions that he got. Same for Booker T.He was popular. But as a champion, he would have been bad. He looked old and bad when actual matches were concerned. I saw them a few years back and they were horrible. If i am not wrong, hhh and steiner's matches even won the worst match of the year award from pwi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 That goes for Steiner. And what about Booker T losing at WrestleMania? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 That goes for Steiner. And what about Booker T losing at WrestleMania?Can't really give any particular reason. As popular as booker t was, i never saw him as raw's champion. Anyways, hhh has lost his fair share of matches at wm. His record is 3-8 something in the last 10-11 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Booker T storyline had that black-white guy angle. Go through the link I shared. It explains that burial properly. They are perfectly legit complaints about HHH's ego burying great angles and talents. He always throws himself into the action. I was okay with his attitude till he shoved himself in Punk pipebomb angle. That was f**king terrible. Punk was way over and HHH brings Kevin Nash in and then defeats Punk at PPV? How f**king pathetic is that? Then Bryan starts going over, and HHH again reappears on TV. Shield gets over, HHH again comes back and brings back Evolution. Now again something good will happen, and HHH will be back again to somehow make it about himself. Oh wait, it is already happening. Sting has joined WWE, and they are already setting up Sting vs HHH, whereas whole world and Sting himself wants to face Undertaker. WWE even made a video about his burials (not all of them, but Booker T, Steiner, Jericho, RVD were legit burials) WWE writer explaining why HHH buries top wrestlers:http://caws.ws/forum/topic/432267-former-wwe-writer-explains-why-triple-h-buries-top-level-wrestlers/ Former WWE creative writer Seth Mates, who WWE Champion CM Punk follows on Twitter, weighed in on the perception that Triple H uses political maneuvering to "bury" top-level talent—degrading a wrestler's standing to fans and peers. He was asked onTwitter, "Why does Triple H always bury the guy whose on fire?""Positioning," Mates responded. "And not always, just the vast majority of the time."He added further, "If ratings dip, guess whhho's back next week to save the day? Loves to be the "savior". #positioning."During an interview earlier this year with Pro Wrestling Torch Livecast (available here), Mates reacted to the negative sentiment within some WWE circles that Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson was "stealing someone else's spot." He feels the resentment actually stems from jealousy that Johnson found success outside of the walls of WWE, with Triple H being the driving force behind the negativity."I know that a lot of the stuff that [John] Cena has said about Rock and his feelings towards Rock sound like something that would be coming directly from, you know Mr. Helmsley and his view," Mates stated."I always sensed some insecurities as related to Rock and to [steve] Austin and how, again, in my mind and perception, he never was at that level. And so he wanted to position himself as, well, I'm as good, if not better. Which I don't know that he has done that." Edited December 21, 2014 by Big Boss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 He actually put over bryan and the shield. Wrestlers beating him get a good boost in their career. I am fine with him being there feuding with young stars as long as he put them over. A thing which likes of rock and cena don't do nowadays He has put himself in a numver of storylines and i won't deny that. But one shouldn't forget that he has put over and made some legit stars as well. Taking away all his efforts and hard work by simply saying that he owes his career to his marriage is totally wrong and that is what my point was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Just watch this video Comment: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 That was funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushy Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 nXt is srsly good than the sh*t WWE spews out on RAW n SD (bah, never watch SD anyways), but, whats up with KO getting a push, that guy is just awful, no charisma, no mic skills, limited move sets, no physique, no face...and they are making him take a dump on guys like sami and adrian!!! must be sucking some huge cocks in the office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 That video about burials was great. Triple H makes it a point to defeat everyone in the WWE at least once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Here is the best Scott Steiner promo in his career, seriously ROFLworthy: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5acti_scott-steiner-maths_sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 23-minutes of Steiner goodness, some real gems ahead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCGPOxmm48c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Some more When I look at you and I look at me, I can see sacrifice takes an entirely different meaning. You see I sacrificed my whole career, my whole life that is why I got a college degree, that is why I was an All-American at Michigan, that is why I stand before you looking as great as I do, that is why I'm a Genetic Freak. Now looking at you and your fat a*s I see the only thing you sacrificed was when it was time to eat 4 Twinkies you ate 5. ROLMFAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ĐingoĐile © Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 NXT has been pretty cool and is much more popular now. Wait till he turns it to sh*t like he has turned every other popular thing to sh*t. He is a great wrestler, cuts good promos and is probably one of the best heels ever, but his tendency to hog limelight and getting himself involved in anything popular does more harm than good. ??? Sorry mate, but this is bordering on undue hate now. It's Vince, end of story. The ridiculous CENAWINSLOL booking, the bunny and the terrible Diva divsion, it's all Vince. As far as I'm concerned, yes, HHH has won some matches he didn't need to, but he's done the job on so many occasions. He's arguably one of the best heels ever. NXT has been stellar and will continue to be because Dunn, Hayes and Vince have no say in what goes on there and look at the quality of wrestling. People from NXT are probably dreading the main roster call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ph3N0M Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) NXT is great because they have the talent who should already be on the f**king main roster. And they also have more creative/"wrestling"-freedom along with the talent. Edited December 22, 2014 by Ph3N0M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Yup. NXT has some world class and proven wrestlers already, some actually better than main roster. It is rebranded FCW, just more popularized due to it being on TV. It always was good to watch because every wrestler who has not been on TV had to go through it, prove himself and then work on main WWE. So it will always be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_rock098 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 They cancelled ECW for it, it will never be awesome for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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