Nuclear Union

[ALPHA17]

THIS game deserves more attention

 

It does indeed. Integrate all these concepts into the OP.

 

Apart from the tri-barrel thingamajig, the weapons all look plausible.

 

Even the concept trailer looked good, the last 5 seconds not so much.

[Razpor]

This nuclear post apocalyptic thing is getting too cliche tbh.

[ALPHA17]

This nuclear post apocalyptic thing is getting too cliche tbh.

 

Still better than, USA saviour of the world. All hail.

[Razpor]

Edit.

[Razpor]

^^ well yeah,,,but then again whole game production process is kinda rinse repeat with very little new stuff ,those few which are actually different end not selling enough or just pure out case of ideas noy well implemented but then again very few try too.

[pbpoovannagamer]

This nuclear post apocalyptic thing is getting too cliche tbh.

ya i know COD and MOH are so innovative ..... every year they come out with something NEW

[Razpor]

^^This isnt new you know it too,and i havent played a single cod or moh in last 4 years...so yeah i am not fan..quite the opposite actually..

[ALPHA17]

^^This isnt new you know it too,and i havent played a single cod or moh in last 4 years...so yeah i am not fan..quite the opposite actually..

 

Well the Fallout series is based around the premise of US survivors.

 

This is its anti-thesis and for all the bugs that plague Eastern European titles they have a lot more character in them compared to the average shooter coming out from the West. And I can shower a ton of platitudes on them which I won't for CoD OR its clones that infest the market.

[Razpor]

My point is this can be a pretty good game,but the general rinse repeat formula of the whole industry is kinda depressing.

There have been games in similar premise in the past and iam not saying fallout,there is stalker and metro which are pretty well known.

[ALPHA17]

My point is this can be a pretty good game,but the general rinse repeat formula of the whole industry is kinda depressing.

There have been games in similar premise in the past and iam not saying fallout,there is stalker and metro which are pretty well known.

 

Neither of them premièred with a third-person RPG formula.

 

None of them have the scale of NUCLEAR UNION. In terms of level design and factions to be interacted with. Okay S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is close but remains in a set area / ZONE.

 

Both of them are shooters first and RPG elements second. Heck METRO doesn't even have RPG elements, simply one of the best scripted FPS I recall, it just holds a premise which is similar. Nuclear holocaust and subsequent human survivalist stories (horror).

 

And all these are similar because their origin lies in post apocalyptic media popular in the Soviets during the 1970's -->80's; A Roadside Picnic, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (film 1979).

 

Nothing wrong in this and honestly if this is getting clichéd to you wonder what CoD is (irrespective, you are a fan OR not).

[Razpor]

I am not necessarily saying this is wrong.Its absolutely okay for me ,and i may end up buying it.My point was more about general lack of creativity in the games industry right now,most developers start with a proven formula and just add bits and pieces to make it sound new.

Is there something wrong with it or not ???thats not the point ,,cause we know it wont change.By new i mean something thats not been done before at all ,the best example i have right now is journey(psn ),but then again gaming as a whole has a limited scope ,may be in future 10 years from now my points will make more sense.Interactive media can have a great influence and but the current scene isnt showing that level of variety in general ideas and perception,hardware limitations have something to do with it too,for which this console generation is to be blamed ,which has just stretched too long for my liking.

 

 

And btw i have nothing against this game,as i mentioned i might end up buying it.

 

And about COD,well its a money printer for activision and corporates love money,all i can say is i havent bought a single cod since cod 3.

[ALPHA17]

I am not necessarily saying this is wrong.Its absolutely okay for me ,and i may end up buying it.My point was more about general lack of creativity in the games industry right now,most developers start with a proven formula and just add bits and pieces to make it sound new.

 

It is a blasé comment. Nothing is new, everything is a story repackaged and redone in some form OR the other.

 

Finding truly original content is going to be very hard and more than anything requires freedom something large corporations cannot provide.

 

Most common example I can give you is Inception in films -- a truly different story in an industry that is just as saturated like the gaming genre full of tropes.

 

Is there something wrong with it or not ???thats not the point ,,cause we know it wont change.By new i mean something thats not been done before at all ,the best example i have right now is journey(psn ),but then again gaming as a whole has a limited scope ,may be in future 10 years from now my points will make more sense. Interactive media can have a great influence and but the current scene isnt showing that level of variety in general ideas and perception,hardware limitations have something to do with it too,for which this console generation is to be blamed ,which has just stretched too long for my liking.

 

Interactive media? Motion controlling? 3D? What are you aiming for.

 

In that sense gaming is an anachronism because since the start we have been held in place by a console / PC which allows us to make certain input(s) that get registered and re-interpreted by a medium (game software) which gives us an output which grades our performance. And this has remained unchanged for more than ~30 years now, time to change that OR no?

 

Games like Journey, Super Meat Boy, Bastion and Braid are different because they are made from the ground up to be so. Because they want to avoid the fallacy of a huge studio release.

 

And btw i have nothing against this game,as i mentioned i might end up buying it.

 

And about COD,well its a money printer for activision and corporates love money,all i can say is i havent bought a single cod since cod 3.

 

Even I have not bought CoD the second iteration because the third part was a console exclusive and I have never owned one.

[Razpor]

Well thats the unfortunate thing,even if you want to have truly original content ,you wont find much cause there is not much of it,there right now.

 

I dont think its right to compare movie industry to game industry,i personally feel interactive media can achieve much more in sense of story and overall immersion than films ever can if done right,ofcourse at the moment it seems exactly opposite but i think it ll change in not so distant future hopefully.

 

And yeah agreed it was kinda a blase comment but then again i think you got what i was trying to say.

 

 

Interactive media includes motion interactions for sure and they ll definitely be a integral part of gaming in coming years but 3d ,not so much but there is another thing thats got me excited ,the oculus,i think its got some potential.

Its not about pc gaming just,and anachronism is not being able to get a better gpu in ur "box",its about not being able to use what pre existed in a manner that ll push the limits.A pc will always be held back a little by consoles,but quite honestly if some one really wanted to push immersion to next level ,pc is not the answer its just the same candy wrapped in a shinier wrapper.

[AK77]

samy candy wrapped in a shiner wrapper? You talking only about eye popping gfx on PC here?

[Razpor]

^Yeah i was

[AK77]

So you don't care about game performance ( high FPS zone), and free mods ( check steam workshops atleast)?

[Razpor]

I didnt say i didnt care about all that and quite honestly i have only recently have i really jumped to pc gaming,so i am not that experienced.

But thing is its not that big a change to get a better looking and better performing version of the same game,as the console counterparts(some games are even whole differentexperience from thier console versions and iagree

,for eg crysis 3 surely lools like one as are many others)

But all that technology is still not being used to provide better immersion ,yes you can say its a lot brtter than the consoles but its still the same experience albiet less visually satisfying.for eg why dont we still have an actually working VR system thats actually affordable when thier have been quite a few prototypes for over a decade now but still nothing for consumers??? ,just an example.

[ALPHA17]

 

I dont think its right to compare movie industry to game industry,i personally feel interactive media can achieve much more in sense of story and overall immersion than films ever can if done right,ofcourse at the moment it seems exactly opposite but i think it ll change in not so distant future hopefully.

 

So, what will you compare the scene with?

 

I picked films because even after having a century and a half head-start over the gaming industry the talkies have very few gems that can stand tall on their own. And this is the only entertainment genre I am acquainted too.

 

The stories are adaptations OR recycled from others in the same era.

 

And this new found fad of 3D virtual surround air, smoke, smell system in multiplexes and re-releases of decade old titles 3D-fied shows how the blank it has become when it comes to original ideas.

 

 

But thing is its not that big a change to get a better looking and better performing version of the same game,as the console counterparts(some games are even whole differentexperience from thier console versions and iagree

,for eg crysis 3 surely lools like one as are many others)

 

But all that technology is still not being used to provide better immersion ,yes you can say its a lot brtter than the consoles but its still the same experience albiet less visually satisfying.for eg why dont we still have an actually working VR system thats actually affordable when thier have been quite a few prototypes for over a decade now but still nothing for consumers??? ,just an example.

 

Well the problem with VR systems is more than you want to know.

• Cost -- Even the most simplistic Sim system takes a lot more developmental effort than you want to know. Imagine rendering 10 sq. draw distances all around you with accurate ocular detailing + aural information to boot.
• Efficiency -- What all can be simulated by this VR Chamber and how many modules will it require for the same?
• Size -- -- Where will one place this in their 1 / 2BHK rented apartment?

I can add a lot more but these are the main stumbling blocks for VR systems to over-come for now.

 

Apart from that their are technologies which are trying to bring the VR system into your grasp like --

• AmBX
• AMD EyeFinity
• nVidia 3D Surround
• THX supporting headphone systems (with appropriate source)
• Kinect motion sensing (although implementation remain gimmicky)

Hope this gets my point across. Cheerio!

[Razpor]

I wont compare game scene with anything,they are different enough and can co exist with overlapping audience as has been proven.Only thing is i think games still have immense headroom to grow and movies have less so.

 

Actually none of those vr systems are actually something which ll end up becoming affordable enough for everyday use.

I was thinking of something more on the lines of oculus ,and quite honestly it could have been done had some cash rich mnc actually taken the initiative,i cant find any reason why a small team of enthusiast ,funded by a kickstarter program have come close to launching a consumer product but the mainstream companies like nvidia,sony and all couldnt pull it off.

Answer is they were happy keeping it a luxxury feature for a select few who pay more,and more so cause these mncs want to dictate how the technology moves ,in this case they chose a leisurely pace,cause it suited them and now everyone is ready to invest in this project just cause they see potential,no they knew it before and it always had potential,but why put effort into a 300 $ oculus when u can sell an absolutely worth less 24 "3d tv for 400$,and make more.

[ALPHA17]

^^ On eye system, I would not buy it considering the various sight issues I have.

 

Plus this is not a VR system per-say. How will a person interact with the game? If you are thinking of something like a futuristic seating system again integration costs and compatible devices will drive the price up.

 

And I have used such systems (OR at-least similar systems) which have been developed for aircraft pilots, the H.M.D (Helmet mounted Display) is liaised to the auto-cannon OR missile seeker head and thus can be guided by sight. But then they have their hand and feet engaged on other control mechanisms and training one to adapt to such a set-up can take around six --> eight months so that they are competent enough to control the aircraft sensibly and using the H.M.D. to parse and engage with the data.