The Dark Knight Rises Review/Spoiler/Discussion Thread

[dullu]

watched today a pretty good movie; with a lot of nods/slight comic relief at certain places...the crowd was pretty sporting; and there were a lot of reactions/cheers at 'relevant' spots; meaning there were a lot of genuine bat-fans there And it was really nice to see that a lot of people now connect to the comic-lore as compared to earlier....

 

Again, TDK was a much better movie..It had the 'perfect' villain, who could match Bruce's obsession....Bane was more of a pawn, a more calculating guy. Somehow i also felt that it could have been anyone in place of Tom Hardy in there....Would not have made much of a difference.

 

Also, the big thumbsdown for the toned down violence in the movie TDK was just so awesome

 

The good things:

 

- A lot of fan service by picking up events/scenes from various comics.

- The movie is more about Bruce Wayne the person than Batman the hero. And i really liked that.

- How 'Robin' was the essential sidekick even without the costume.

 

The not so good:

 

- Movie slags @ certain sections

- Some plot points are unexplained. Like how does Blake know the identity of Batman? Also, how did Bane manage to get to the applied sciences division even when it was cordoned off since real long?

- Bane is never the Bane we know from comics...I know its a little difficult to show exactly like that; but even then the menace the Joker had was missing. His dialogues are also a little more 'sheepish'

 

And with this, we have yet another trilogy where the third movie is the weakest link Bravo Hollywood

[pArth]

The thing that I didn't understand is how did tom hardy made such a juggernaut type body in a very less. I mean I can understand that bale went from the machinist to batman begins and aamir khan in gajhini. But this was too much. It was khali type body. Also, he seems taller than he actually is. Juat last month I saw 'this means war'

 

Dude ! computers. I am in a compositing class right now, and I realized nothing is real in the movies.

 

Also the camera was always very close to Bane and always below his chest. That made him look bigger.

[pArth]

I am back from the movie but I can still hear it. na na na na na na na

[achilles]

 

So this meme is constrained to asians only?

 

Nitpicky stuff... why was there a fancy progress bar on the bomb? I mean it was designed to be a power source. Normally I look past stuff like this but in a Nolan flick it stands out.

 

It wasn't a fancy progress bar. It was safety 101. If something is going to blow just by existing you should know how long it (and you ) have.

 

- Where exactly was the prison? Was it in America? Or some other country (I know it was filmed in India)? It was never explained. Wayne conveniently shows up at Gotham after escaping.

 

How is that a problem?

 

Also I think Ra's was physically there. I don't think it was a hallucination. He didn't "disappear", it was Wayne's mind pulling tricks on him. He had little hope and was in immense pain. Nolan deliberately left that scene open ended. I liked that.

 

Yeah, just like I think Bruce imagined that.

 

Okay, my turn.

 

Loved the movie. Overtime Batman Begins has become more of a favorite than TDK. TDK has awesome moments that make you go "wow", more than most other films ever. But awesome moments get old. Cinema, story and screenplay get better with time. TDKR has fewer "wow" moments and for now it is my third fav too but it might, in time, turn out to be better than TDK.

 

What I absolutely loved:

 

The music. Can't stop humming it in my head. Just can't. Rise.

 

How Batman just took care of everything, from "wear a mask" to Alfred's wish to the autopilot to knowing how to defeat Bane.

 

How the Batpod was filmed with Anne on it. Ow mama. And the Batpod itself was explored more.

 

The last 5 minutes. I can't say this enough. Awesome awesome film making. Just..perfect.

 

What I didn't like:

 

Alfred. How could he just leave? After all his promises of yadda yadda yadda to the Waynes and Bruce in the first two films, not to mention spending the life with him? And some of his scenes seem ham fisted, like the way he conveys how Rachel had moved on. Made me laugh a little

 

Timing of the Dent revelation. I mean come on. Bane reading it out like that was just silly.

 

The black and whiteness of it all. Revenge? A nuclear bomb, really? That's the best you could come up with? And with a whole 2 decoy trucks like in The Italian Job?

 

How the police mob with pistols races Bane's mob with automatic rifles. What. The. f**k. And why weren't any cops trying to get in the vacant TANKS 3 feet away?

 

The end flight seemed a little Angels & Demons-y and I wondered why he didn't just go straight up? Blowing it over the water would have dire consequences too. So Batman is no friend of the Marine life? Let's see what Aquaman thinks of that.

 

The second half was almost 1.5 hours and still felt a little rushed.

 

Why was Bane not acceptable to Ra's? He seemed to be the only sensible one in the prison, saving a child and trying to save a mother..doesn't add up.

 

The Bat, or the Batwing. seemed kinda.. non awesomy after Tumbler and the Pod.

 

Talia. How dumb. She's a ninja too, right? The twist was good and surprised me but her revelation was weak.

 

How Batman really came about to defeating Bane. Bane literally crushed Batman and Batman's punches which create juicy pulp out of regular humans had little to zero affect on Bane. I guess the doctor gave him some pointers but still. That man broke plaster off a pillar made of concrete while in a mad rage. And when his mask was "explored" why did he just become like a rag doll? What is up, bitches?

 

I can think of quite a few more but right now, especially the good and great bits but I've got to cook dinner. Damn hungry.

 

Selina Kyle. Weak character progression. Not really explored at all. Not really believable. Still hot though.

[dante77]

There were certainly more comic type scenes like when catwoman says "he's behind you" and then batman grabs that guy from above. And then batman taking down those mercenaries in stealth. And the whole batman vs bane fight was EPIC. Batman gets tired while fighting him. Also, BANE breaking batman's back in a exact same manner as he did in comic books. Didn't see that coming, it was a surprise for me. And I was the only one in theatre to recognise that.

 

Like I said before, this movie is VERY close to the comics and it is great even as a superhero movie. I loved every bit of it. Besides things like "TDK" don't happen everyday.

[godspeed4476]

So this meme is constrained to asians only?

 

 

 

It wasn't a fancy progress bar. It was safety 101. If something is going to blow just by existing you should know how long it (and you ) have.

 

 

 

How is that a problem?

 

 

 

 

 

What I didn't like:

 

Alfred. How could he just leave? After all his promises of yadda yadda yadda to the Waynes and Bruce in the first two films, not to mention spending the life with him? And some of his scenes seem ham fisted, like the way he conveys how Rachel had moved on. Made me laugh a little

Yeah, even I felt tht Alfred should have been given more meaty role

 

Timing of the Dent revelation. I mean come on. Bane reading it out like that was just silly.

 

The black and whiteness of it all. Revenge? A nuclear bomb, really? That's the best you could come up with? And with a whole 2 decoy trucks like in The Italian Job?

Seemed ok plot to me

 

How the police mob with pistols races Bane's mob with automatic rifles. What. The. f**k. And why weren't any cops trying to get in the vacant TANKS 3 feet away?

Which vacant tanks?

 

The end flight seemed a little Angels & Demons-y and I wondered why he didn't just go straight up? Blowing it over the water would have dire consequences too. So Batman is no friend of the Marine life? Let's see what Aquaman thinks of that.

Actually speaking I head read somewhere that blowing a nuclear bomb in the atmosphere is more harmful than land or sea explosion, but he is a goddamn batman, so he must have played it safe

 

The second half was almost 1.5 hours and still felt a little rushed.

 

Why was Bane not acceptable to Ra's? He seemed to be the only sensible one in the prison, saving a child and trying to save a mother..doesn't add up.

Coz he was a monster

 

The Bat, or the Batwing. seemed kinda.. non awesomy after Tumbler and the Pod.

Yep, it could have been more cooler with jets

 

Talia. How dumb. She's a ninja too, right? The twist was good and surprised me but her revelation was weak.

Maybe they did not entirely carry her from the comics, but for me there was no twist, I knew she was talia from the moment I saw her, coz Ra's has female child not a male

 

How Batman really came about to defeating Bane. Bane literally crushed Batman and Batman's punches which create juicy pulp out of regular humans had little to zero affect on Bane. I guess the doctor gave him some pointers but still. That man broke plaster off a pillar made of concrete while in a mad rage. And when his mask was "explored" why did he just become like a rag doll? What is up, bitches?

Without mask his pain multiplies many folds, as explained by doc

 

I can think of quite a few more but right now, especially the good and great bits but I've got to cook dinner. Damn hungry.

 

Selina Kyle. Weak character progression. Not really explored at all. Not really believable. Still hot though.

The moment she was driving the batpod, my concentration moved from the movie to her a*s

[VelivolusDas]

I loved the movie..... Not more than TDK, though.... But still, this movie is right up there as one of THE best super-hero movies ever.....

 

Although, I haven't read any of the comics..... But, ironically, I just finished Batman: AC a couple of days ago and the 'Talia twist' really felt awesome because of that..... Absolutely loved the movie overall..... The movie certainly has some epic moments.....

[dante77]

@achiles - about that bane part. Thats the way it is (at least in animated series and I think in comics too). Ra's didn't accept bane because he only see demon in him who 'likes' killing people. In fact, that was the point for me as it is as it should be.

[dante77]

And despite all the hate. I loved how catwoman character was handled. I think anne hathway was an excellent choice. Also I liked that there was no origin of selina kyle. Now why would people want that? So that 'catwoman' part was also a ppus for me. I was expecting nothing from her.

[pArth]

 

 

The end flight seemed a little Angels & Demons-y and I wondered why he didn't just go straight up? Blowing it over the water would have dire consequences too. So Batman is no friend of the Marine life? Let's see what Aquaman thinks of that.

Its logical. The blast radius was 6 miles. It is way easier/faster to go 6 miles on a flat plane rather than going 6 miles against gravity. Remember the bomb was ticking

 

How Batman really came about to defeating Bane. Bane literally crushed Batman and Batman's punches which create juicy pulp out of regular humans had little to zero affect on Bane. I guess the doctor gave him some pointers but still. That man broke plaster off a pillar made of concrete while in a mad rage. And when his mask was "explored" why did he just become like a rag doll? What is up, bitches?

The mask is his weak point. He says earlier in the movie that removing it causes pain.

 

[achilles]

@Dante Yeah but you know what, I haven't read those comics. THe beauty of the first two movies were that it was great if you had read them but wasn't a compromise even in the slightest if you hadn't. You can't chalk up inconsistencies in story and screenplay to 'that's the way it was in the comics'.

 

@ Parth..yeah, that's a good point, flying 6 miles straight up wouldn't have been the best idea.

Yeah it causes pain but for all we know it was designed as a breathing apparatus and his nostrils are f**ked.

 

Anyway, I thought of a couple more points. The prisoner was keeping Wayne alive for money? Money? In that place? what the *bleep*? He stops telling the story coz Bane wouldn't want him to but would Bane want him to cure Wayne?

 

Also, the jump. You'd think someone would have figured out a simple tool or a slightly long plank from the pit prison and just walked out. Maybe Athek was right, the more I think intelligently about the movie, the more it falls.

 

Batman Begins had a very intricate plot, unfolding like an intelligent joke. TDK had grandeur and The Joker. TDKR is a little bit confused.

 

It's still awesome overall, and I'm going to see it again in less than 24 hours, so let me get a second impression. But the inconsistencies are just popping out.

[Stevie G]

Going again now

 

Lets see if my views change or not

[The Wolfy among us]

Going again now

 

Lets see if my views change or not

 

I'm going again at 4 at cinepolis

[Br0keN 1riS]

[AtheK]

^^ not cool.

[AtheK]

Also the kid makes the jump out, goes about finding one of the best mercenary in no time who she had never seen before, mercenary who probably don't even knew he had a daughter.

 

pretty awesome for a 4-5 yr old.

[Tyler]

Regarding all the gaps in logic and supposed plot holes... well here's the problem, with Nolan's movies we're used to attention to detail (just look at The Prestige). But TDKR skims over a lot of stuff and just assumes the audience will go along with it (most of those points are mentioned in this thread). It's more or less acceptable in most big movies but in a Nolan movie these things stick out.

 

I just assumed that Batman was able to beat Bane because he managed to compromise his mask. Doing that caused Bane excruciating pain, he could no longer focus on fighting. You know Batman fights dirty when he has to.

 

 

@achilles made a very good point - the Dent revelation. It was LAME. Especially when it's the whole point behind the previous movie.

[Tyler]

pretty awesome for a 4-5 yr old.

 

She looked at least 11 to me.

[phreak]

Some things i couldn't digest.

 

- I really wanted more of Alfred in the movie. (specially 2nd half)

 

- After Bruce's self imposed exile he shaves and seems to be in and is physically and mentally back to old Bruce all from Bruce's pep talk and Alfred's whining.

 

- Didn't see any chemistry between Miranda and Bruce - she meets him, next thing you know they're sleeping together. Bruce decides to go into the bat gave and suit up. He is muscly and can walk perfectly Bruce repairing his leg (which had been injured for eight years) in a matter of days with some sort of brace. :/

 

- Bruce's back being healed so quickly? One scene he was hanging from the rope to straighten his back ( which I won't even go into the impossibility of) and the next scene he is doing pushups and situps with his back perfectly straight.

 

- GCPD letting Bane on a motorbike drive right past them.

 

- Also once he escapes from this prison which we has no guards and he manages to come back to Gotham without any money in a matter of a few days with brand new clothes meeting kyle

 

- After Talia stabs Bruce pretty damn well and he is screaming in pain he is fine after Catwoman saves him from Bane

 

- Once this nuclear bomb is armed Bruce attaches it to the Bat and flies it to the sea where he let's it detonate. If this is a regular Nuclear bomb then wouldn't Gotham be covered with radiation and or completely destroyed since the bomb had the ability to blow the whole of Gotham into ashes.

 

- Also if Bruce really is alive then how could he escape the Bat before the bomb explodes

 

^ These are some of the things on top of my head that could have been explained better in a ~3hour movie.

 

 

Was i smoking?

 

 

 

 

BECAUSE HE'S f**king BATMANN!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dullu]

Regarding all the gaps in logic and supposed plot holes... well here's the problem, with Nolan's movies we're used to attention to detail (just look at The Prestige). But TDKR skims over a lot of stuff and just assumes the audience will go along with it (most of those points are mentioned in this thread). It's more or less acceptable in most big movies but in a Nolan movie these things stick out.

 

 

Well that's probably because he added a lot of comic-lore things to the movie. If you look @ BB and TDK; the nod to comics is fairly less as compared to this one.

 

Also;about Bat beating Bane only when the mask was off; the mask was actually a replacement for Venom from comics Even in comics Bane is pretty much unbeatable when he injects himself with Venom.