Fez 2

[dylanjosh]

The guy def has issues. It would do him some good if he took a break and calmed down.

 

He gets A LOT of internet hate. Unfortunately he's not the kind of guy who handles that well. He spits back, and then they spit back at him 100x worse. Then he complains.

 

I'm glad he's taken a break. Polytron is only made up of 2 people.

[WhiteWolf]

ok, Teeno ch***ye hai...Beer ko kam ch*** nahi hai.....So, stop defending him...

[ALPHA17]

He thinks he is a "misunderstood genius". But you can see how much he respects his fans and the overall gaming community when he cancelled his game in a fit of nerd rage on TWITTER!!! I mean, that is beyond loser!! That is something else

 

Cannot comment on the 'misunderstood genius' but at-least he let his followers, hatzers very clearly what was happening.

 

Certain company(ies) have not even got that courtesy towards their 'fans'.

Good.. I hate Fez...

 

For posterity.

http://thewiredfishnetwork.com/2012/03/09/fez-creator-talks-smack-about-japanese-games-major-downplay-on-twitter/

 

From article,

 

After having enough of this, he talked to a designer from Canada at GDC and admitted that he was wrong. What he meant by his statement was that it was Modern Japanese games that suck, which I really can’t complain about. He is right in this regard as the proportion of good Japanese games versus good Western games has shifted since this generation began.

 

Cannot comment on this too but a person can have his opinions or is that also banned now.

Blow Fish se kam rotlu nhin hai. He abused the devs of twisted pixel on twitter when their game crashed at e3. Check out his rants where he compares popular games to dog food. There are many other examples ( see how he is touting his game the witness as the second coming and saying that even 8 gb ram on consoles is not enough for his game )

 

Again personal thoughts on whatever he thinks about current generation games.

 

And he does have the right to say whatever he wants after Braid, I doubt you will find guys depressed for months after a successful and highly rated release of the game.

 

It is like Irrational going on a hiatus after INFINITE or DICE saying if BattleField 4 is successful they would stop doing more iterations of the game (which will never happen, how will EA survive).

[ALPHA17]

@alpha17. Everybody has the right to voice their opinion but being a game developer you have certain responsibilities towards other people who are also passionate about gaming. People like Fish and Blow created great games but that does not take away the fact that they are haughty, ignorant and love ranting on internet to express themselves. As a gamer maybe you are allowed to do all this but NOT as a developer( indie or non indie). Being an a**hole will always land up you in sh*t. More so if you are an independent developer.

 

Jon Blow does not rant. He was called pretentious because he felt that people were misinterpreting Braid. I have not played the game but I have been in various situations where my line of thought on a game is much different than my peers or even on this site so him doing that is perfectly sane. It is just the inter-web that thinks of this as a 'pretentious' move.

 

Fish, is Fish, you don't want to agree with his thoughts, fine. Calling him an *******, ****, *** will not change anything in-fact you are lowering yourself to his standards. He did what he had to and for now it seems Polytron has moved on but who knows if the game is still being worked upon or no.

 

And will you be able to keep a straight head after being in development hell for ~4 -->5 years, racking up a million (or even multi-million) dollar debt, without an inkling whether you will get out 'successfully' or no?

 

I think we can quote ITGM here,

"...part of it is not about being a professional"

 

Step in their shoes before judging them, don't agree with them,

[ALPHA17]

I'm sorry to disagree with you. But Blow IS pretentious. Even I can say that you should stop defending him as you don't know him. I'm basing my "judgements" on what I see him doing on the internet and what other people call him out on. Here is an example

 

You don't get to be an a**hole and a great developer at the same time. I played braid and it was a great game!! But does that give you the rein to say whatever the hell you want to people? If he thinks popular games are dog food he should keep that thought to himself. Instead he comes across as someone who thinks very highly of himself and others stupid. A developer should conduct himself better, not like this.

 

Tommy Refenes (programmer, Super Meat Boy) called HALO Reach and CoD, sh*t w.r.t. Super Meat Boy. GO HATE ON HIM. NOW.

 

Jon Blow can think whatever he wants, he is the only person who knows about The Witness let it release and you can judge it for yourself. I am not defending him, if it comes across as that, what I actually want to do is this,

There are other Indie developers you can looks at,

• Bastion and Transistor (Supergiant Games)
• Notch (MINECRAFT)
• Mike Bithell (Thomas was Alone)

They all take to Twitter, Facebook for their major announcements because that is the best way to get the word out.

[ALPHA17]

And I have no doubt that The Witness will be a good game, if not great. Blow is great at game design and it showed when I played Braid. But his behavior off the playing field is just not acceptable. He(and phil) should let their games do the talking rather than jerking around on the internet.

 

This is normal.

 

You should check how nVidia or Intel behave w.r.t. AMD or other competitors. This is how competition is scripted and wired in our brains. I agree that there should be better decorum but sadly that cannot happen all the time, some people develop their own ways of dealing with such exposure, some cannot handle it. Your calling them out on this will not change squat.

[Aftrunner]

I'm sorry to disagree with you. But Blow IS pretentious. Even I can say that you should stop defending him as you don't know him. I'm basing my "judgements" on what I see him doing on the internet and what other people call him out on. Here is an example

 

 

You don't get to be an a**hole and a great developer at the same time. I played braid and it was a great game!! But does that give you the rein to say whatever the hell you want to people? If he thinks popular games are dog food he should keep that thought to himself. Instead he comes across as someone who thinks very highly of himself and others stupid. A developer should conduct himself better, not like this.

 

LOL What? You pay them, you get a game. Thats the end of the transaction. They are free to be assholes and you are free to call them assholes, thats how the world works. And you are free to not buy what they sell if someone being mean really burns your soul that much.

 

But they dont owe you jack sh*t. And they sure as hell dont have to be nice to you.

 

The customer isnt always right. Infact, when you are a developer 90% of your customers are bleeding idiots and you wouldnt want to cross the street to piss on them if they were on fire. Just ask that Actvision dude who got dead threats for nerfing the quickscope.

 

This thread is full of people whose best creative idea was making a paper plane in school sh*ting on a person who created one of the most acclaimed games of this generation. Kinda a small scale version of the Internet in itself.

[Rosh]

Shouldn't the thread be closed?

[Big Boss]

 

Just ask that Actvision dude who got dead threats for nerfing the quickscope.

 

 

I read that article on EG. That is just sad. 10 year olds threatening a guy over nerfing of some guns in a video game

[ALPHA17]

Dude, you are comparing how a full blown corporation operates with the musings and rants of some Indie developers who think they are better than everybody else out there. This is in no way a good analogy. Sony also crapped on MS's policies at e3 this year and that's how companies work. And there is nothing wrong in that. But what you just said doesn't even remotely apply to an individual.

 

Companies are made up of individuals.

 

If you feel so prickly about that person, don't get their games / works / projects. Stop behaving as if they owe us something because we bought their games. Because I don't see you crying your heart out when a corporate like EA, UBISOFT calls you too dumb to MOD a game, or that complex games intimidate us (putting our IQ's to the test).

[ALPHA17]

What kind of logic is that? Companies are made up of individuals but they don't act/think/operate like one. Their primary motive is making a profit and nothing else .Whereas these indie developers are out there to make a profit, showcase their designing skill and prove themselves among established veterans. How can you even compare the two?

 

And I don't subscribe to " I hate the company X so I won't buy it's product Y" thinking. Why should I even hate any corporation when their sole focus is making a profit? They are allowed to do whatever the hell they want and I don't give a damn about it. I just look at the product and make up my mind whether it's worth paying for or not.

 

The point being you lap it all up when EA,UBISOFT or MicroSoft shoot us a bird because well they are corporates. Using your 'LOGIC!' And when a personality like Phil, Jon or someone else throws the bone in the park you think it is them being haughty, arrogant or pretentious or whatever. Should not they have the same liberties?

Everyone is entitled to their thoughts, he is saying something which either I can ignore and carry on, or I can join in and make the puddle messier but would that change anything.

[MarketTantrik]

Phil Fish comes across as a whining pansy. His exit from the industry is no loss to anyone.

[Shadoken]

Just look at these morons.... Its one thing to have an opinion , its another to act like a complete retard and then whine about ppl hating you.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYpMxMPZ-Mk

 

While the problem he states is true. What is the point of comparing indie western titles to AAA japanese games like Zelda? Its not like AAA western games dont have these stupid decisions. AAA games treat their audience like idiots because well , most of their audience are exactly that. Have you seen some non-gamers play? they quit the damn game if they cant understand what to do in the first few seconds.

 

Its hilarious how they are saying Japanese games lack "adventure" feel. The so called "Cinematic" western games lack the feel of a fuking video game itself

[Shadoken]

Just looking at that vid , makes me sick. The way those idiots were laughing at his face.Show some professionalism , at least that Jonathan blow guy was decent enough to say something. Ugh no wonder nobody respects the game industry.

 

 

Oh god ... rofl ... he cant take the abuse apparently (but its totally ok for him to abuse) ... booo fkin hoo

 

 

This thread is full of people whose best creative idea was making a paper plane in school sh*ting on a person who created one of the most acclaimed games of this generation. Kinda a small scale version of the Internet in itself.

 

You can apply that logic to these indie devs who could barely release one title but they are sh*ting on Nintendo games? What does miyamoto know about making zelda games.

 

Companies are made up of individuals.

 

If you feel so prickly about that person, don't get their games / works / projects. Stop behaving as if they owe us something because we bought their games. Because I don't see you crying your heart out when a corporate like EA, UBISOFT calls you too dumb to MOD a game, or that complex games intimidate us (putting our IQ's to the test).

 

Look at the way they worded it , maybe they just didnt have the time to sit and release public modding tools. You think if Sony just came out and said MS games suck , people buying Xbox are retards. Everyone would stay quiet? hell fking no.

 

But look at those morons openly laughing , they are basically real life version of fanboys you see on the forum. I personally dont like some games too , but that doesnt mean I go "hurr durr your gaems suck brah". Yea ok AAA games might not have the same amount of creative design as indie titles , but people working there put a fkton of effort too. Its not easy bringing out the latest cutting edge game engine , there is a lot of creative thinking done.

 

[spindoctor]

Phil Fish comes across as a whining pansy. His exit from the industry is no loss to anyone.

 

Pretty much. He behaves like an a**hole when it suits him but whines like a baby when people give it back to him.

 

To quote the immortal words of Heavy weapons guy...

 

[Right]

I watched the video for the first time, though I read about this incident, this is serious insult.

It hurt me as if I was standing there. A person is asking you how do you feel about games being developed in his country. And you just f**ckin pounce on him. *beep* you.

 

Obligatory: Have you seen played Titanfall, have you seen it yet? No? Ok, This conversation is over!

[dylanjosh]

Yeah that was terrible. The way they laugh at that poor guy.

 

I don't play many japanese games - in fact I can count them on one hand - but I've encountered the problem he said. Phantom Detective: Ghost Trick - such brilliant mechanics, but the first hour or so treats you like a complete retard.

 

I've only encountered this problem in one game - but then again, I don't play that many.

[dylanjosh]

& what gives you that idea?!?

 

 

You think AAA games are not creative enough?!

Actually it takes a whole different level of creative input

 

 

 

They aren't. More often than not, big budget games play if 'safe'. I'm not faulting them for it. They need to know they can make money. Indie studios have certain freedom to do what they want since they don't need to make big returns.

[Right]

I used in a reference that, don't play f**king victim, industry is brutal as f**k. Just because you had to do hardship, don't behave like entitled brats just you got one game right.

Look at RESPAWN, I mean the core team, they went through trauma twice after making it big, created one IP of mammoth size, and they had to leave that all, get sued by acti-f**king-vision. What these guys have done to point and laugh like this.

[KnackChap]

Kamiya treats his followers like sh*t on twitter too but most of the reaction to his stuff is " f**king badass" " kamiya san, can i haz ur babiez" and fish gets smacked all around. He just comes across as a whiny bitch while kamiya is a plain a**hole.