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Hey guys so finally i wanna upgrade my tv/monitor. right now my pc is connected to a sony bravia tv 26 inch. but obviously it isnt good enough.

 

So, i wanna get a new monitor/led tv in the budget of under 40k.

 

Requirements:

 

1) size can be between 27-32 inch. bigger the better

 

2) main use is to play games and browse on the pc And connect consoles-- so hdmi slot is a must.. multiple hdmi slots if possible. will also be doing some writing and video editing on it and i dont have any problems with working on big screens.

 

3) should be full hd 1080p (also want to know more about those 2550 x 1440p monitors!)

 

4) ips panel if its as good as they say it is

 

5) led

 

6) 120hz if possible? and 3d?

 

7) where to buy from

 

8) info on those korean 2550 x 1440p monitors and how and where to buy them from...,

 

as u can see i'm a noob so more info u giv the better.

 

Also, should i go for an led tv or a proper pc monitor?

 

 

 

 

---i could find these 2 out of my limited knowledge and amateur research

 

led tv- http://www.samsung.com/in/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/led-tv/UA32F6100ARLXL

(can get it for as low as 39k locally)

 

27" monitor- http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/dell-u2713hm/4505-3174_7-35472876.html

(dont know which indian site sells or whr to buy locally)

 

plus i need more options and comparisons...thanks

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Also, should i go for an led tv or a proper pc monitor?

 

There is a reason why PC monitors are smaller than TV's. That is the viewing distance is compressed, unlike a console you do not sit at a distance from the PC, you are up-close. Too big of a monitor and you will be straining your neck unduly.

 

Make up your mind, what you want to do, get a monitor or a TV.

 

Also, there is nothing like an LED TV, it is an LED-backlit-panel. Most newer monitors and TV panels are LED backlit by default so you needn't dwell on this aspect.

1) size can be between 27-32 inch. bigger the better

 

Achieva Shimian panels are available in both sizes. These are the same panels used by Apple for their Mac Pro displays.

 

Also, look at the DELL Ultrasharp line of monitors, the quality is not as great but they have the local presence advantage and more importantly HDMI and DP ports which the Shimian panels lack.

 

Another option that you have is Yamasaki Catleap monitors, again from Korea and no HDMI.

2) main use is to play games and browse on the pc And connect consoles-- so hdmi slot is a must.. multiple hdmi slots if possible. will also be doing some writing and video editing on it and i dont have any problems with working on big screens.

 

Anything over 30" and you are going to be uncomfortable on PC. As I said the proximity means you will strain your neck considerably.

 

Next, if HDMI is a must, the Shimian panels are out of the reckoning.

3) should be full hd 1080p (also want to know more about those 2550 x 1440p monitors!)

 

All 21" and above PC monitors are 1080p native, 16: 9 ration and 60Hz refresh rate unless stated otherwise.

 

2560 x1440 is only monitors above 27".

4) ips panel if its as good as they say it is

 

Ever used a Mac Pro and envied the rich colours displayed on the screen, that is IPS for you. The colour accuracy and depth is unmatched unless you compare it with CRT TV's.

 

For more on the same, IPS panel.

 

6) 120hz if possible? and 3d?

 

Three words, EXPENSIVE and EXPENSIVE.

 

A simple 24" 3D panel will gut your wallet by about ~25000/-, not including an active 3D kit worth another 10000/- that you need to play games in 3D. Also, not all games look just as great in 3D or run on that format.

 

E.g., The IT Depot. The cheap models have a 60Hz refresh rate, so performance will suffer considerably.

7) where to buy from

 

DELL can be sourced locally, so can certain ASUS models ~24".

 

For Catleap and Shimian's only option is eBay.

 

For the PRO's words on Achieva (and Catleap monitors) from Korea, check this excellent article over at Anandtech.

 

Also check reviews @TFT Central.

 

Hope this helps, Cheerio!

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Thanks for the amazing reply! I will read all that info carefully again and reply accordingly but, before that can you explain that why are some or most of these monitors lacking in HDMI slots? Even Rs.40k monitors have max 1 hdmi input...

 

how do dvi and hdmi compare? is dvi as good or better than hdmi? which is best for best image quality? Thanks in advance

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Thanks for the amazing reply! I will read all that info carefully again and reply accordingly but, before that can you explain that why are some or most of these monitors lacking in HDMI slots? Even Rs.40k monitors have max 1 hdmi input...

 

how do dvi and hdmi compare? is dvi as good or better than hdmi? which is best for best image quality? Thanks in advance

 

The higher resolution monitors lack a HDMI because of the limitations of the video output that can be streamed over the same. Depending on the hardware version you can only stream 1080p content over it and not 4K. Also HDMI is a proprietary standard so additional costs to implement it.

 

For 2560 x1440 the dual-link DVI port is a necessity, with the arrival of DP though, newer models of Shimian and Catleap panels might start shipping with that.

 

Visual quality is same on DVI and HDMI just that the latter can stream audio over the same cable as well.

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Hey thanks Alpha.

 

I didnt know that DVI and HDMI could output same quality! And totally didnt know that only dual link dvi can get me 1440p :O

 

I'll have to check that if my GPU even has a dual link dvi output facility. Can you check? I have an AMD 7950 dual x edition GPU.. i wont know where to look and for what :fear:

 

As for the monitor I have short listed these 2... unless you can link me to a better one that i can buy locally or online but within india (non korean)

 

http://www1.ap.dell.com/in/en/business/ultraSharp_monitors/dell-u2713h/pd.aspx?refid=dell-u2713h&s=bsd&cs=inbsd1

 

 

http://www1.ap.dell.com/in/en/business/ultraSharp_monitors/dell-u2713hm/pd.aspx?refid=dell-u2713hm&s=bsd&cs=inbsd1

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I'll have to check that if my GPU even has a dual link dvi output facility. Can you check? I have an AMD 7950 dual x edition GPU.. i wont know where to look and for what :fear:

 

As for the monitor I have short listed these 2... unless you can link me to a better one that i can buy locally or online but within india (non korean)

 

Yes, the card has a Dual-link DVI output port, to confirm, here is the list of Sapphire HD79** series cards. Check the specifications in there.

 

These look a good compromise between performance, price and availability. The DELL Ultrasharp U2713H one looks better.

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Yes it does! But its exceeding my budget by a whole 10k. Its for around 50k :(

 

While the HM is for 42-44k...

 

I'm confused :samui:

 

Oh! Okay, the HM seems to be a slightly lower grade monitor but I think in light of your situation, it is better you go down that path.

 

Have you had a look at anything save DELL, from ASUS or Viewsonic.

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Oh! Okay, the HM seems to be a slightly lower grade monitor but I think in light of your situation, it is better you go down that path.

 

Have you had a look at anything save DELL, from ASUS or Viewsonic.

You know what, since you mentioned this I checked other options. And to my surprise, boy there are options!

 

But before I go there I wanna clarify some concerns.

 

1) Is a 1440p screen really all that big a leap over a 1080p screen? Also whats the actual real world usage of it?

 

2) Wont everything on a 27inch screen be teeny tiny if i use 1440p for normal PC Operation?

 

3) Nor the current gen nor the next gen consoles would support 1440p right? I mean if 1440p can only be achieved with dual dvi cables then neither does ps3 or 360 have it nor(i believe) does the ps3 or xbox one. They only have HDMI out AFAIK. So basically I'm buying a 1440p screen specially for pc?

 

4) NOw, if I do get a 1440p monitor, whats the real advantage here? what real world apps or games even use 1440p? Will i end up using this resolution just for the windows interface? :lol:

 

5) Now this is really confusing me- how does a 1080p screen's image quality etc compare to a 1440p screen's image quality etc THAT IS SET ON 1080P? Meaning if i get a 1440p screen and use 1080p on it for pc and consoles, then will it give a better image (in general terms) than a native 1080p screen? Or is there no advantage of having a 1440p screen doing 1080p?

 

6) Should I go for 1440p or stick with 1080p?

 

7) IPS panel is a must right? (i know it is but just confirming)

 

8) Last but not the least, I know 3D is still a hit or a miss, but what about non 3D screens that can still do 120hz??? I have heard they are very responsive in normal operations due to high 'hz'. Also, for 120 hz i think a dual dvi port is again required right? hdmi doesnt go above 60hz yeah?

 

9) Can you shed some light on the new sRGB backlight led technology? or is it called 10 bit screen or something? Point is that sRGB backlight gives 16billion colours and without it you get 1.3 billion colours... (and thats the main difference between 'HM' and 'H' in dell's U27 monitors, 'HM' being the lower grade as u said).

 

Sorry for the trouble. And thanks in advance for the awesome answer that you'll obviously give. :D

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1) Is a 1440p screen really all that big a leap over a 1080p screen? Also whats the actual real world usage of it?

 

What is the need of a 1080p screen? You can use a 1600 x900 screen as well. It is just for viewing pleasure and more workspace with which to play around with. You need to view a 27" monitor in action before making up your mind on the screen size.

 

Although a 27" monitor running 1440p vs. 32" monitor running 1080p will kick the latter in performance.

2) Wont everything on a 27inch screen be teeny tiny if i use 1440p for normal PC Operation?

 

No. The resolution and screen ration will compensate the large screen space.

3) Nor the current gen nor the next gen consoles would support 1440p right? I mean if 1440p can only be achieved with dual dvi cables then neither does ps3 or 360 have it nor(i believe) does the ps3 or xbox one. They only have HDMI out AFAIK. So basically I'm buying a 1440p screen specially for pc?

 

Yes, only for PC, right now, although you can use a converter for HDMI input as well. Although limitation to 1080p / 720p means you might experience a poorer viewing experience on the consoles.

4) NOw, if I do get a 1440p monitor, whats the real advantage here? what real world apps or games even use 1440p? Will i end up using this resolution just for the windows interface? :lol:

 

All games and Windows applications should scale to that resolution. Although some would work better than others. Also, editing suites will greatly benefit with the generous amount of screen-space.

5) Now this is really confusing me- how does a 1080p screen's image quality etc compare to a 1440p screen's image quality etc THAT IS SET ON 1080P? Meaning if i get a 1440p screen and use 1080p on it for pc and consoles, then will it give a better image (in general terms) than a native 1080p screen? Or is there no advantage of having a 1440p screen doing 1080p?

 

1080p will do fine on the 1440p screen but 720p content will suffer. Prepare for pixelation or black bars depending on the content.

 

1080p native content should work fine although you might notice an amount of image stretch, pixelation.

6) Should I go for 1440p or stick with 1080p?

 

Try to demo a 1440p screen and then make up your mind. I won't fib but the larger screen makes things look really good. And extra work space never hurts.

 

All this from a guy who runs on a 20" monitor.

7) IPS panel is a must right? (i know it is but just confirming)

 

Absolutely necessary, splurging so much cash on a TN panel is not good.

8) Last but not the least, I know 3D is still a hit or a miss, but what about non 3D screens that can still do 120hz??? I have heard they are very responsive in normal operations due to high 'hz'. Also, for 120 hz i think a dual dvi port is again required right? hdmi doesnt go above 60hz yeah?

 

Yes, the refresh rate dictates the highest frame rate that can be achieved on LCD panel. Higher the refresh rate, higher the frame rate. So a 120Hz monitor has a 120fps hard-limit. Thereby the smoother performance as you have been informed.

 

Although this only holds valid to a couple of points like games and other media which are dependent on the refresh rate.

 

HDMI does not have any hold on the refresh-rate of the monitor, even it can support 120Hz refresh-rate.

 

Although I still feel 120Hz monitors have too much of a 'premium' attached it to them. 25000/- for a 24" monitor, I will pass, add ~3000/- more and get a Shimian / Catleap panel instead.

9) Can you shed some light on the new sRGB backlight led technology? or is it called 10 bit screen or something? Point is that sRGB backlight gives 16billion colours and without it you get 1.3 billion colours... (and thats the main difference between 'HM' and 'H' in dell's U27 monitors, 'HM' being the lower grade as u said).

 

For more on sRGB backlit monitor. I doubt you would get a lot of difference between a proper IPS panel based solution and with the sRGB back-light technology based monitors.

 

The main difference between the two DELL monitors are,

  • lower quality colour accuracy (82% vis-á-vis 99%)
  • No Adobe RGB colour certification
  • Lesser adjustment capability (swivel and yaw)

Hope this answers your query. Cheerio!

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so afer much help from alpha i went on and bought this beauty http://us.aoc.com/monitor_displays/i2757fh

 

its magnificent ^_^

 

Congratulations man and sorry about the final PM, I could not muster anything.

 

Anyway glad that you are happy with the purchase, enjoy.

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Since you went for 27" inch monitor, why didn't you go for 1440p?

 

Just asking to know your views on it.

 

(won't 1080p be just scaled to 27" inch monitor? I mean, I have 24" inch running on 1080p, it'll be same on 27" inch monitor without any advantage, NO?)

 

Oh and congrats, specs look great. :cheers:

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Since you went for 27" inch monitor, why didn't you go for 1440p?

 

Just asking to know your views on it.

 

(won't 1080p be just scaled to 27" inch monitor? I mean, I have 24" inch running on 1080p, it'll be same on 27" inch monitor without any advantage, NO?)

 

Nope, the difference between a 27" 1440p panel and a 1080p panel is in the pixel density, so no it won't scale that well.

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