WhiteWolf Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 So to summarize, even though I love the old games, the new ones aren't really bad. It's like hardcore Devil May Cry fans trying to bring down DmC (yours truly included) because it was not the same as before. In reality, it was a decent stand alone action game with Devil May Cry name attached to it. We can't stop change from happening. So might as well embrace it or avoid it entirely. Old TR style will not sell big numbers for Square Enix. If they want new audience then they will have to change their formula. I think new Metroidvania or Arkham Asylum style gameplay formula, where you unlock areas by exploration and getting new gadgets fits perfectly in TR now. People who are complaining are in minority and market is also changed. Members on official TR forums love new TR games and new Lara Croft. So their is no way they gonna change their formula now. Critics and both user Reviews for Reboot and ROTR is higher than old games plus sales figures are also better. So going back to old formula will please few jaded hardcore fans but game will definitely tank both in reviews and sales. Go and check Underworld reviews and compare it to new games. Fans really hated Absolution which forced IO to go back to it's roots but New TR is not getting any hate as both TR games are quite good and fun to play. Also nobody likes old busty barbie foll Lara Croft. Camilla Ludington is fantastic as new Lara. Team also different. Most of the people who worked on old games left the company. So it's stupid to expect old style games now. If you hate new games then just don't play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_Hunt Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Old TR style will not sell big numbers for Square Enix. If they want new audience then they will have to change their formula. I think new Metroidvania or Arkham Asylum style gameplay formula, where you unlock areas by exploration and getting new gadgets fits perfectly in TR now. People who are complaining are in minority and market is also changed. First off, their entire franchise was built around this gameplay style for years and regardless of it's quirks, people still loved those games. The whole key was exploration, puzzle solving and some combat. Crystal Dynamics took it into a new direction as this generation has gone with the whole open world cinematic theme, which is fine. However, some of us are still old school and like some of the old mechanics to seep in, for instance better puzzles. Like I mentioned in my ending thoughts (post game's completion), that the optional tombs were a good homage to the old TR games, but being optional, most of them would have ignored it. Old TR games forced you to go through it's world to explore new areas by inspecting every single detail. Guess what, they didn't have any instinct mode to highlight specific key points back then. So the thrill of having to observe the surrounding and trying out various combinations would allow you to clear that specific part. The new one practically turned her into Rambo by the end by giving her a sh*t load of arsenal, which was practically useless by the time you complete the game. Heck, you expressed your disappointment in the gunplay yourself. Members on official TR forums love new TR games and new Lara Croft. So their is no way they gonna change their formula now. Critics and both user Reviews for Reboot and ROTR is higher than old games plus sales figures are also better. So going back to old formula will please few jaded hardcore fans but game will definitely tank both in reviews and sales. Go and check Underworld reviews and compare it to new games. Members of the official forum don't dictate the change in the style as they are a fraction of the audience. It's the sales figures, plain and simple. No one is asking to change the formula, just integrate a few things from the old games which truly worked in a better way. BTW the metacritic rating difference between Anniversary and both TR games is just 3 points. That's a marginal difference for a game that's close to a decade old. Fans really hated Absolution which forced IO to go back to it's roots but New TR is not getting any hate as both TR games are quite good and fun to play. When did I every say I hated the reboots? In my post above, I was abundantly clear what I liked and did not, plain and simple. I explained to Playstation how the old TR games had a certain charm that was missing in this one, but I still enjoyed both the new games. Also nobody likes old busty barbie foll Lara Croft. Camilla Ludington is fantastic as new Lara. May be you don't, but a sh*t load of people loved that look enough to turn her into a sex symbol, an icon and spawn a whole array of cosplayers. This is before the SJWs woke up to realise that this was somehow bad and that she shouldn't wear those revealing outfits, because women in games obviously can't wear tank tops with shorts and still kick major arse while rocking that look. Well, it's a brave new world, so thanks to Camilla Ludington, we now have a Lara Croft who sounds like a person having a panic attack. Team also different. Most of the people who worked on old games left the company. So it's stupid to expect old style games now. If you hate new games then just don't play them. Erm, people move out all the time, that doesn't mean the style dies with them. It's not hard to replicate it. Also, I never understood this statement "If you hate XXX just don't XXX them". It's an individual's choice to try out a game and if there are certain things you don't like, you voice it out. No one explicitly said out here that they "hate" this game. They expressed their disappointment with the new elements added to the game, which they don't feel made sense from the older TR games standpoint. It's a fair point as that is what they feel the franchise was built upon. I understand your love for this games (and some others) Zodak, but I think you need to prepare yourself to accept that not everyone would share your opinion on it. So don't diss them for it. Instead hear them out and try to understand where they are coming from, instead of trying to combat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Your style of TR won't work today. I too want to play a TR without action but it won't sell or be as popular amongst new audience. Gunplay is also useless in Uc games and it's by far the worst part for me but very few people will like it without combat. And there are many who do cosplays for new Lara. You don't have to hire some busty porn star to do cosplay for new Lara now.lol Every franchise needs to evolve. People were against all Halo 5 changes like ADS and sprint but they still went ahead and changed it in multiplayer and it worked. You can't expect same style of games forever. Gears 4 is playing safe and sticking to it's roots and iam pretty sure this will become it's biggest negative. TR games were going downhill, Underworld was not that great but Reboot made TR popular again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_Hunt Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I'm not getting through to you am I? Your style of TR won't work today. I too want to play a TR without action but it won't sell or be as popular amongst new audience. Gunplay is also useless in Uc games and it's by far the worst part for me but very few people will like it without combat. No one said to remove the action out entirely. It wasn't the primary focus of TR games, that's all. She's an explorer and an adventurer. The reboot did a good job for an origin story and introducing us to a more vulnerable Lara. Crystal Dynamics knows how important the tomb exploration aspect is and hence they ensured that they kept retained a part of it in the new game, but made it into a optional activity. That is what is missing here. The seamless integration of puzzle based into the main storyline. Gunplay in UC was never really it's strong suit and everyone knows that, just like it wasn't for Tomb Raider. Uncharted games had a good balance of puzzle, combat and exploration. Now imagine UC "evolving" into open world with weapon upgrades and sh*t or Gears of War for that matter. F*ck that! And there are many who do cosplays for new Lara. You don't have to hire some busty porn star to do cosplay for new Lara now.lol Sure there are, but we all know who the definitive Lara is right? Just run a search for Lara Croft's cosplay and check out which is more dominant. I'll give you a hint, it's not the current one. Every franchise needs to evolve. People were against all Halo 5 changes like ADS and sprint but they still went ahead and changed it in multiplayer and it worked. You can't expect same style of games forever. Gears 4 is playing safe and sticking to it's roots and iam pretty sure this will become it's biggest negative. TR games were going downhill, Underworld was not that great but Reboot made TR popular again. I'm all for franchise evolving and change, but do that not at the cost of losing what once made the game great. I wouldn't want to play the old style of Grand Theft Auto games, but thankfully, I don't have to as Rockstar made an acceptable gameplay style for me since GTA IV. Is that highest rated GTA? Yes. Sales number high? Yep. Even though the franchise has evolved, there are still tons of people who swear by Vice City and San Andreas's popularity. TR games didn't go downhill. It went into a prolonged hibernation. People didn't forget Lara Croft, just had better games to play around with and still have much better games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted May 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Old TR style will not sell big numbers for Square Enix. If they want new audience then they will have to change their formula. Your style of TR won't work today. I too want to play a TR without action but it won't sell or be as popular amongst new audience. Isko toh game se zyada..company ka tension hai....arey tera kya jata hai bhai woh log paisa kamay nahi kamay....they are compromising on quality and you are okay with that??... asa toh aaj kal mobile games hi sab se acha business kar reha hai toh band kardo yeh console and pc games .release all those Halo..Quantum break..UC ...TR on mobiles only...phir yeh companies aur kamayenge. people still will love the old style if they make a proper game... Underworld was quite good but it lacked boss fights and all. Also nobody likes old busty barbie foll Lara Croft. Camilla Ludington is fantastic as new Lara. Lara Croft was not just one busty doll and all....she might have become one but there was always much more to her character and i think in later games they had town down her boob and all as the technology had improved ... her busty size was related to polygons count and all ...i dont remember correctly but something glitch was behind devs keeping her like that and not because they wanted her to be just sex symbol. I will post the statement later...i have there interview in one of the art books iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven Angel Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Ethan_Hunt They haven't lost anything. They just made some puzzles optional coz SE will never fund pure puzzle and platforming focused game. Can you name one puzzle focused game released by any big publisher recently ? I can't think of any except Portal 2. Only Indie devs make such games now. ROTR achieved perfect balance of exploration,platforming and combat with some good puzzles. All they need to is improve story telling, make tombs bigger and more challenging with better gunplay for those who like action games. But I don't want them to remove Metroidvania style gameplay with RPG elements. Also it's funny you are saying that Uc has exploration but TR doesn't.. There's absolutely no exploration in Uc unless you are going for trophy to collect all treasure items.Exploration is rewarding in TR as you get new abilities and upgrades.This gameplay loop keeps me engaged in the game bcoz I don't play TR for story nd all. I get what are you trying to say, but what you want will never happen coz market is different now and CD is owned by a big publisher and they will never approve the game you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Isko toh game se zyada..company ka tension hai....arey tera kya jata hai bhai woh log paisa kamay nahi kamay....they are compromising on quality and you are okay with that??... asa toh aaj kal mobile games hi sab se acha business kar reha hai toh band kardo yeh console and pc games .release all those Halo..Quantum break..UC ...TR on mobiles only...phir yeh companies aur kamayenge. people still will love the old style if they make a proper game... Underworld was quite good but it lacked boss fights and all. Iam not stopping them from making old style TR games...They are not interested or SE is not allowing them. Underworld had some good puzzles but everything else was pretty mediocre and boring. That type of game will fail instantly today. If you really want pure puzzle focused game then you should try Lara Croft GO on mobile. SE allowed them to make one for mobile lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohit9206 Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 So i started playing Rise of Tomb Raider today.Only about an hour in and so far am really liking it.The graphics are simply superb even on medium settings.I like the new take on the Tomb Raider franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted May 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Don't bother. +1. Zodak ko kuch samjhana is like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Don't bother. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 Zodak is right upto a certain extent though. Whether people love the older style more or not, SE can not take that chance. IiRC they are already under huge lossess so you can't really expect them to not stick to current trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Zodak is right upto a certain extent though. Whether people love the older style more or not, SE can not take that chance. IiRC they are already under huge lossess so you can't really expect them to not stick to current trend. They are not under huge losses. They earned profits last fiscal year and then year before that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohit9206 Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just finished the game with 63% completion.Did 6 or 7 tombs.Optional tombs were a bit too easy.No complex mechanisms or anything,pretty straightforward.I really liked this game.The story could have been better but has a tomb raider game ever had a good story,no right?Game became too combat heavy towards the end but gameplay remained good throughout the game.I will give this game the same score as i did Tomb Raider 2013 which is 8/10.Great game with a few flaws but must play for action adventure fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteWolf Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven Angel Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 What have they done to the outfit? .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Miss Old TR Miss Old Lara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 Miss Old TR Miss Old Lara Haan purani lara toh teri godi mein baithi rehti thi na Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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