Need to buy gaming monitor and GPU but little bit confused.

[ALPHA17]

^^ No need to apologise, I just said that because it is a part of forum etiquette.

 

You can PM / directly ask the OP if s/he allows you to use the thread for your queries as well. But in-case it takes too long, it is best to float your own thread or put it in the appropriate section / thread. Cheerio!

[Hitzzz]

I know it is a dumb question but as of now Will benq XL2420T work between 70 to 85 Hz ? As I am buying used monitor which is much more affordable.

 

 

[ALPHA17]

I know it is a dumb question but as of now Will benq XL2420T work between 70 to 85 Hz ? As I am buying used monitor which is much more affordable.

 

How old is the monitor, what price are you paying for it?

 

Also, why is the owner selling it?

 

70Hz -->85Hz will be fine but I don't know how good or bad your experience will be later and more importantly if your current graphic card can handle the work-load.

[mango_man]

chk out AOC i27 IPS monitor full hd... best one out thr under 20k... i hav it n its fabulous..2 hdmi ports too btw

 

chk google fr reviews...voted best IPS 27" monitor of 2012 by many sites

 

p.s. 3D is bullshit (yet)

[Jagz]

http://us.aoc.com/monitor_displays/e2352phz

 

Check it out.. Don't go for too expensive ones as it will be a waste of money, you'll need to invest in an extra 3d kit and not to mention a gun to shoot yourself after getting headache that active 3d causes..

This one is passive 3D, easy on the eyes and you don't even have to invest in a 3d kit etc, comes with a pair of glasses, extra glasses are cheap too.. To top it off it has audio out which most monitors don't have and it is budget friendly too.. Pricing is around 13.5k online

[Jagz]

http://www.snapdeal.com/product/aoc-e2352phz-23-inch-led/622815

[ALPHA17]

you'll need to invest in an extra 3d kit and not to mention a gun to shoot yourself after getting headache that active 3d causes.

 

You just need to get habituated to the 3D, nothing else. Not everyone has such adverse reactions when viewing 3D content, I do but if the OP is comfortable why not.

 

Also, 60Hz refresh is not at all ideal for 3D gaming (on PC). No matter what the seller tells you.

http://www.snapdeal.com/product/aoc-e2352phz-23-inch-led/622815

 

Would rather get a good IPS / VA-panel based solution at that price than spend so much for a standard monitor that comes with 2 tinny speakers and passive 3D kit.

[Jagz]

^ Read this http://gcn.com/Articles/2013/03/06/Differences-active-passive-3D.aspx?Page=2

 

 

if the OP is comfortable why not.

 

OP could be comfortable buying but we can't just assume that he will feel comfortable wearing those.. I am guessing he must have not tried active 3d for more than an hour at a time if at all.

 

 

 

Would rather get a good IPS / VA-panel based solution at that price than spend so much for a standard monitor that comes with 2 tinny speakers and passive 3D kit.

 

Audio out means a 3.5 mm jack NOT tiny speakers..

 

 

I recommended the monitor as the OP is on a budget and originally wanted to buy other stuff within that amount, plus this 23" LED monitor would be a huge improvement over the ones he had previously even if you do not count the 3d part..

 

My 1st suggestion would have been this http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Sony-PlayStation-3D-Display-24-Widescreen-LED-Monitor-/118266905 but it would be hard to find..

 

Anyway.. I was just suggesting like you are. In the end its the OP who has to make the decision..

[ALPHA17]

^ Read this http://gcn.com/Articles/2013/03/06/Differences-active-passive-3D.aspx?Page=2

 

You don't need to tell me the difference between the two different modes of 3D. I studied for three years in this field and I have used both varieties often enough.

 

Active 3D still makes anaglyph / passive 3D systems look pedestrian by a comfortable margin. Colour and detail loss is another issue in passive 3D set-ups.

 

Just because a certain set of people (inclusive of me) suffer from active 3D implementation does not break the technology and if possible I would always recommend active 3D viewing over passive viewing. In theatres or at home.

OP could be comfortable buying but we can't just assume that he will feel comfortable wearing those.. I am guessing he must have not tried active 3d for more than an hour at a time if at all.

I have done my best to dissuade him from purchasing a 3D monitor because I still feel that both methods have a long way to go before maturing into viable enhancements in entertainment. The film and games industry tried to sell the 3D bubble sadly it don't quite work out.

Apart from that, if he is investing in it, he might as well get used to it and the revised 3D Vision Kit from nVidia (v 2.0) is quite light and comfortable. It doesn't solve all the problems but for people without any spectacles it should work.

The only issue is the lack of titles that support and implement 3D in a meaningful manner.

Audio out means a 3.5 mm jack NOT tiny speakers..

 

You know PC's come with 3.5 audio jacks mostly everywhere, even on certain keyboards. So that line does not really mean anything to us.

 

The monitor you suggested also comes with tinny 2W stereo speakers (HDMI). Here, see for yourself (Technical specification TAB).

I recommended the monitor as the OP is on a budget and originally wanted to buy other stuff within that amount, plus this 23" LED monitor would be a huge improvement over the ones he had previously even if you do not count the 3d part..

 

My 1st suggestion would have been this http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Sony-PlayStation-3D-Display-24-Widescreen-LED-Monitor-/118266905 but it would be hard to find..

 

Anyway.. I was just suggesting like you are. In the end its the OP who has to make the decision..

 

His previous monitor was a CRT piece that reached the End of the Line, any decent LCD panel will be a step up for him. His plan was to get the monitor and SMPS now and upgrade the rest of his PC later. If you would have gone through the thread you would have picked up his line.

 

Yeah! My point is before pitching in just read a little about what has been going on the thread before you step up.

 

The SONY monitor you suggested looks really good, if OP is willing to get stuff imported that will work out to be cost-effective and serve his purpose. The only issue would be getting a GPU set-up that can push enough frames and after-sales. But like you said the decision is at the OP's discretion.

[Ph3N0M]

LOL, that Sony monitor isn't even manufactured now, and Amazon actually sold all of it's stock for as low as 150 dollars a piece(which included a PS3 game worth 60 dollars in the package), as there was a big manufacturing defect in these monitors(check Amazon's customer reviews, or look elsewhere on the net). People(including myself) weren't interested to buy it for even 150 bucks(less if you consider the bundled game's price).

 

I have researched a lot about 3D for a couple of years before buying myself an AOC 23" 3D monitor(which someone cited in this thread somewhere). I still find the 2D quality of the monitor to be less than that of my 3-year old Acer S231HL, but it shines in 3D. And it is actually an entry-market 3D monitor. LG and others have IPS-panel based 3D monitors in their line-up, which should perform much better(I was actually trying hard to somehow import an LG IPS-based 3D panel at reasonable costs, but got the AOC one instead after I couldn't do so). And I like the overall cost-effectiveness and ease of passive 3D technology. Haven't used active technology other than in a showroom, but I am content with what passive 3D gives me, especially since I wear heavy glasses already.

[Jagz]

Sony's monitor even supported simulview, sad to know its dead. But that technology still lives in the new sony 3d tvs. Will get it someday for ps4..

 

For now it would be best to just get a normal led 24" monitor and a good graphics card, preferably the new amd lineup and wait for oculus rift if you want the best 3d experience.. I hope everyone agrees on this

[Ph3N0M]

Simulview is possible in ANY passive 3D display. Search for it.

[ALPHA17]

For now it would be best to just get a normal led 24" monitor and a good graphics card, preferably the new amd lineup and wait for oculus rift if you want the best 3d experience.. I hope everyone agrees on this

 

Touché. Oculus Rift seems to be taking the challenge head-on although it might take another 2 -->3 years to become a feasible hardware purchase.

Haven't used active technology other than in a showroom, but I am content with what passive 3D gives me, especially since I wear heavy glasses already.

 

If you get a chance view a film in passive 3D as well as active 3D in theatres, you can make out the difference best then. This is why I keep reiterating that 3D is in a nascent stage and needs much more work before I will give it my money.

[Jagz]

Simulview is possible in ANY passive 3D display

 

Nice

[Ph3N0M]

 

If you get a chance view a film in passive 3D as well as active 3D in theatres, you can make out the difference best then. This is why I keep reiterating that 3D is in a nascent stage and needs much more work before I will give it my money.

Ok, but I thought all cinema halls used passive 3D?

[ALPHA17]

Ok, but I thought all cinema halls used passive 3D?

 

Depends.

 

Most Indian multi-plex chains stick to passive because,

• cheap
• don't need any investment from their side
• extra fee can be charged

Hyderabad and Bombay have an IMAX screen each if I recall right, apart from that when I was studying in Bangalore the most cost-effective 3D cinema (I have ever been too) was also present, used active 3D. PVR will bring IMAX to its screens (in various cities / towns) but they would charge an arm and a leg.

 

Since I have shifted to Delhi (now a year), not gone to a single 3D show.

[Hitzzz]

Hello All,

 

I am sorry I couldn't answer / reply to this post as I was busy with my office work and preparing for VMware Certification which I have now cleared. and have become VMware certified.

 

I have read all the replies and thank you for all your suggestions.

 

What I think that whatever technology you buy today will be old tomorrow and it is fact because it is improving day by day and manufactures and companies are making more money and investing it in new technology to make it more and more and more better which go on & on & on ....... So one cannot wait for the perfect and future proof technology which will last forever.

 

Just take few examples of Computers, Airplanes, weapons (all types), Fighter jets, Gaming consoles, vehicles, mobile phones, anything and whatever you can think of.

 

One of my friend says that live it for today as no one has seen tomorrow. But make sure that you have enough money, strength, knowledge which will be helpful in your hard times.

 

Regards,

Hitzzz

[ALPHA17]

I am sorry I couldn't answer / reply to this post as I was busy with my office work and preparing for VMware Certification which I have now cleared. and have become VMware certified.

Congratulations Sire.

What I think that whatever technology you buy today will be old tomorrow and it is fact because it is improving day by day and manufactures and companies are making more money and investing it in new technology to make it more and more and more better which go on & on & on ....... So one cannot wait for the perfect and future proof technology which will last forever.

 

Just take few examples of Computers, Airplanes, weapons (all types), Fighter jets, Gaming consoles, vehicles, mobile phones, anything and whatever you can think of.

 

Problem is that none of the current solution for 3D will give you an edge in current entertainment systems.

 

I would rather suggest you go for a large capacity SSD, a better cabinet, Blu-Ray supportive optical drive or a modular SMPS over 3D because it is a non-entity and only increases the performance over-head.

 

All the technologies you have put forth have taken a lot of years to develop,

• COMPUTER -- Close to ~150 years if you are looking at punching cards as the precursors. If you look at current generation computers they still took ~40 years before they reached a stage where an average house-hold integrated it.
• FIGHTER JETS -- 10 years and this was precipitated because Europe was at war and there was need of this technology.
• VEHICLES -- Close to ~200 years before the internal combustion engine was integrated, another five decades before it could be miniaturised for mass production and marketed to families.
• GAME CONSOLES -- 20 years, if you are considering 1970's to be the birth of the consoles
• MOBILE PHONES -- 40 years, the first commercial handset was released in 1983.

Technology has indeed started regurgitating successors and evolutionary bits of itself faster than before but still takes ~5 -->7 years now-a-days to mainstream. This mainstream process is what I want 3D to achieve before I start sinking money in it. Not inversely.

 

And future proofing is something you can never do, no matter how much money you put into building a PC. Something better will release, sooner if not later.

 

This is just my take on the situation, if you are adamant on a 3D capable device with all the associated baggage and proprietary systems it brings with it. I will help you as best as I can.

[Hitzzz]

 

Congratulations Sire.

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

Problem is that none of the current solution for 3D will give you an edge in current entertainment systems.

 

 

After lots of reading and from this post 3D technology is not stable and perfect.

 

 

 

I would rather suggest you go for a large capacity SSD, a better cabinet, Blu-Ray supportive optical drive or a modular SMPS over 3D because it is a non-entity and only increases the performance over-head.

 

This is just my take on the situation, if you are adamant on a 3D capable device with all the associated baggage and proprietary systems it brings with it. I will help you as best as I can.

 

 

Well you know that this is not possible all at once, just one by one every 2-3 months and okay that I will not stick to 3D monitor but suggestions and ideas are always welcome.

 

 

All the technologies you have put forth have taken a lot of years to develop,

• COMPUTER -- Close to ~150 years if you are looking at punching cards as the precursors. If you look at current generation computers they still took ~40 years before they reached a stage where an average house-hold integrated it.
• FIGHTER JETS -- 10 years and this was precipitated because Europe was at war and there was need of this technology.
• VEHICLES -- Close to ~200 years before the internal combustion engine was integrated, another five decades before it could be miniaturised for mass production and marketed to families.
• GAME CONSOLES -- 20 years, if you are considering 1970's to be the birth of the consoles
• MOBILE PHONES -- 40 years, the first commercial handset was released in 1983.

Technology has indeed started regurgitating successors and evolutionary bits of itself faster than before but still takes ~5 -->7 years now-a-days to mainstream. This mainstream process is what I want 3D to achieve before I start sinking money in it. Not inversely.

 

And future proofing is something you can never do, no matter how much money you put into building a PC. Something better will release, sooner if not later.

 

 

I just stated that above for example that technology is changing day by day and I would not start debating on it.

[Hitzzz]

I would now like to concentrate only on Monitor as I am replying to this from my work.