The Mobile Phone Thread

[jackhammer06]

how much is OMNIA going for in the market ??

33.5k....

[Spy Bot]

iPhone Rules.. Anyone who has not owned it will point at those tiny tech misses but who has owned it will drool..

I have used Xperia too.. There's nothing in that for which one can pay 44,000 Rs.. Resistive touch screens suck.

[Keyofx]

I don't see why everyone is hating on the 5800. The interface may not be as good as the iphone but you have to remember that it ISN'T an iphone and goes for less half the price in international markets. Remember, the $200 price tag is ON CONTRACT.

 

The phone is completely functional and a big step up for sub 20K handsets (which is what it'll cost you if you exchange your old handset). Well worth the money IMHO. I wouldn't spend anything over 20 on a phone anyway. No way they'll last you 5/6 years like a console does :\

Edited January 2, 2009 by keyofx

[godspeed4476]

No way they'll last you 5/6 years like a console does :\

my dad has 2 phones , one is a nokia another is sony ericsson gh337, it was one of the 1st 20 pieces of cell phone in mumbai, my dad is still using it and it still has the old MaxTouch sim card , its close to about 13-14 years old :ph34r:

[Spy Bot]

I don't see why everyone is hating on the 5800. The interface may not be as good as the iphone but you have to remember that it ISN'T an iphone and foes for less half the price in international markets. Remember, the $200 price tag is ON CONTRACT.

 

The phone is completely functional and a big step up for sub 20K handsets (which is what it'll cost you if you exchange your old handset). Well worth the money IMHO. I wouldn't spend anything over 20 on a phone anyway. No way they'll last you 5/6 years like a console does :\

 

5800 has interface issues. Bugs too.

Nokia sucks at touchscreens..

It is just Symbian revamped into touch.. Nothin new.

Read full review here: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-5800-2-en.shtml

[Keyofx]

Of course it is symbian revamped into touch. The iphone is OSX revamped into touch! Thats how OSs work :|

 

And how can Nokia suck as touch screens when this is their first major model? The first symbian touchscreen too. The touchscreen libraries were only added in the S60v5 release. So any S60v5 software will be touchscreen compatible.

[Spy Bot]

Of course it is symbian revamped into touch. The iphone is OSX revamped into touch! Thats how OSs work :|

 

And how can Nokia suck as touch screens when this is their first major model? The first symbian touchscreen too. The touchscreen libraries were only added in the S60v5 release. So any S60v5 software will be touchscreen compatible.

Nope buddy.. This is not the first Nokia touch. Last one was a big failiure.

N u didnt get my point. Symbian n OSX r not even comparable.

Its touch is not so responsive. Has glitches too. The accelerometer is way too sensitive. Has nothin innovative abt it.

[Spy Bot]

Nokia's first touchscreen failed experiment was 7700 and the next one was 7710.. They failed so much that they weren't even launched worldwide. All stocks were taken back.

Read 7710 Review here http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-7710-en.shtml

[Keyofx]

LOL I never said the implementation was perfect. OF COURSE there are glitches. That's because S60 in itself is way too memory intensive and counter-intuitive in terms of operation in all its iterations!

 

I was just addressing your claim that the touch was bolted onto the S60 OS. I countered that by saying that was how ALL of them work. The iphone is just OSX with added touch. The price justifies the 5800's existence, and it isn't a slouch in the features department either. Like I side, compared side by side, the price is very good for the features it comes with.

 

1 year free music downloads? I'll take that over ITunes anyday.

 

 

Edit: I know about the 7100. And that is why I said first MAJOR model in my intitial post.

Edited January 2, 2009 by keyofx

[Spy Bot]

LOL I never said the implementation was perfect. OF COURSE there are glitches. That's because S60 in itself is way too memory intensive and counter-intuitive in terms of operation in all its iterations!

 

I was just addressing your claim that the touch was bolted onto the S60 OS. I countered that by saying that was how ALL of them work. The iphone is just OSX with added touch. The price justifies the 5800's existence, and it isn't a slouch in the features department either. Like I side, compared side by side, the price is very good for the features it comes with.

 

1 year free music downloads? I'll take that over ITunes anyday.

Edit: I know about the 7100. And that is why I said first MAJOR model in my intitial post.

For your knowledge iPhone's OS is not jus OSX added with Touch. It is custom made to each n every small aspect.

Nokia's touch is jus S60 revamped into touch.

 

The innovation right from the design to multitouch to capacitative touch screen to the crispy response are jus amazing. What did Nokia innovate ? Jus 1 yr free subscription to their Music library ? Thats jus a market trick to counter iTunes. And moreover given the mobile download speeds in india, nobody downloads much to their Mobiles, when you get fast speeds on ur Broadband at homes.

Seen Apple's APP store ? Nokia can never even dream to beat that.

 

EDIT: 7710 was a major model dude.. The only thing is that it failed so badly that they couldn't release it. Even the testing phones that were distributed to a counted few reviewers were taken back.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Spy Bot

[Hot-Drake-Pixel]

Nokia is certainly lagging in this touch screen era. They are hoping regain some lost footing with 5800. With the kind of price range it will see certain amount of success.

 

Similarly, iPhone took the innovative touch interface to next level but they forgot about many basic feature of a cell phone in this era.

[Spy Bot]

Nokia is certainly lagging in this touch screen era. They are hoping regain some lost footing with 5800. With the kind of price range it will see certain amount of success.

 

Similarly, iPhone took the innovative touch interface to next level but they forgot about many basic feature of a cell phone in this era.

Right, they missed some basic features. But once u use it, u wont require those.

Moreover they can always be added via 3rd Party softwares. Also, Apple might release a future update that contains the missing features. No extra hardware is required to enable those basic features, everythin is already present.

[Hot-Drake-Pixel]

Right, they missed some basic features. But once u use it, u wont require those.

Moreover they can always be added via 3rd Party softwares. Also, Apple might release a future update that contains the missing features. No extra hardware is required to enable those basic features, everythin is already present.

 

they may add tons of soft features afterward but built-in battery and memory are fail anyways. I don;t care much about mobile cameras but iPhone's plane average or worse.

[Spy Bot]

Built in memory compliments the design. Adding a user replaceable battery is good but not on the cost of aesthetics. Having a replaceable battery would have made the device bulky n the looks would have been lost. So i wont mind a fixed battery. I have never even felt that i need to take it out or wish that i could take it out. Never required.

N i guess 16 GB memory is good enough as of now.

iPhone is a style statement. It still stands out of the crowd no matter what the critics say. It still has no real competitor.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Spy Bot

[Keyofx]

For your knowledge iPhone's OS is not jus OSX added with Touch. It is custom made to each n every small aspect.

Nokia's touch is jus S60 revamped into touch.

ERR obviously. You can't run OSX as it is on the phone! Please don't take my words without reading into them a little :|

 

The innovation right from the design to multitouch to capacitative touch screen to the crispy response are jus amazing. What did Nokia innovate ? Jus 1 yr free subscription to their Music library ? Thats jus a market trick to counter iTunes. And moreover given the mobile download speeds in india, nobody downloads much to their Mobiles, when you get fast speeds on ur Broadband at homes.

Seen Apple's APP store ? Nokia can never even dream to beat that.

Nokia wouldn't dream of pushing such a restrictive and censor-happy store on it's customers Do you even know the number of S60 and WinMO applications there are when compared to everything in the Apple store? You're also not tied to ITunes for everything except eating/sleeping and using the loo.

 

EDIT: 7710 was a major model dude.. The only thing is that it failed so badly that they couldn't release it. Even the testing phones that were distributed to a counted few reviewers were taken back.

You said it yourself. I said major RELEASE. Not a limited or non-release.

Edited January 2, 2009 by keyofx

[Spy Bot]

ERR obviously. You can't run OSX as it is on the phone! Please don't take my words without reading into them a little :|

Nokia wouldn't dream of pushing such a restrictive and censor-happy store on it's customers Do you even know the number of S60 and WinMO applications there are when compared to everything in the Apple store? You're also not tied to ITunes for everything except eating/sleeping and using the loo.

You said it yourself. I said major RELEASE. Not a limited or non-release.

LOL !! I guess i have pressed ur panic button Seems someone's ego is hurt here..

Anyways.. For ur info, u wont be able to play all those "number of S60 & WinMO applications" on 5800.. N even if they work, u will struggle controlling them

N when u haven't even seen App Store then dont compare it..

It's restricted for the good only. U can trust the Apps n can be sure that ur Privacy is maintained. N if u dont like the feeling, then mod ur iPhone and use the other AppStore where u will get thousands of cracked apps.

First see the iPhone Apps n then have a discussion with me.. I guess then we'll be at the same level but as of now we are not..

It's so amazing dude, that jus buy it once n u'll love ur iPhone. Even i used to be an iPhone critic and was gonna buy a Blackberry bold but at the last moment changed my decision and now i am really happy for that.

As far as iTunes is concerned, u can download a numerous Podcasts for free there too. For songs, i have a PC

[Spy Bot]

Of course it is symbian revamped into touch. The iphone is OSX revamped into touch! Thats how OSs work :|

 

And how can Nokia suck as touch screens when this is their first major model? The first symbian touchscreen too. The touchscreen libraries were only added in the S60v5 release. So any S60v5 software will be touchscreen compatible.

N Read ur post again.. U said first Major Model and not Major Release

It was a major model but was never released. I hope u understand plain English

[Keyofx]

No, not at all. I'm using a Macbook to type this out so I have nothing against Apple as such.

 

And I was talking about number of applications available for both platforms in general, not just for the 5800. S60 5th Edition applications aren't common because the 5800 is the first commercially available 5th Ed phone! You'll see more when more phones come out. My point stand though. More applications for the both S60 and WinMo.

 

And jailbreaking is an option if you have a healthy risk appetite and lots of money to kill. As an example, I wouldn't buy a console from the gray market and mod it because I'll lose money if something goes wrong. I need warranty cover, especially when I'm spending a big amount.

 

And I do agree with you that the interface and aesthetic qualities are very good. But I know Apple and their software. I'm using a Mac right now and I haven't touched Safari in ages. All I use is either Firefox or Camino. Know why? Because Apple are moronic enough to release a browser without a status bar or the ability to save sessions. And no plug-ins, which even IE of all browsers supports. Just one example, like the lack of Bluetooth file transfers. I'd rather buy a lesser looker than end up with one that is obsolete in the next 6th month Apple upgrade cycle.

[saberwing]

@KOX, I wouldnt say the OSX Iphone is just OSX revamped into touch. OSX is meant to run on computers, you cannot simply port it to a handheld which has has a fraction of the computational power posessed by Macs. This is just like saying Java ME is just Java revamped, which ofcourse isnt true. The Iphone OSX was made from nearly ground up since an OS's design is very closely linked with what kind of hardware it is supposed to run on.

The Symbian OS was always meant for phones/handhelds, so saying that the 5800's OS is just SymbianS60 revamped into touch would still be accurate.

 

IMO it is true that a lot more innovation has gone into developing the Iphone OSX than extending the SymbianS60 to support touchscreen.

[Keyofx]

N Read ur post again.. U said first Major Model and not Major Release

It was a major model but was never released. I hope u understand plain English

WTF is wrong with you? lol. Either way, how can it be MAJOR if it doesn't even see the light of day! Some things are implied. You're supposed to understand that they mean the same thing.