WhiteWolf Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It “SEEMS” like Nintendo has already started working on some form of next generation machine. That is, if a NeoGAF poster is to be believed. Get his exact words past the link. “Almost certainly off-topic, but I don’t quite want to make a new thread, because it would go to sh*t quickly. Also, I’d need to post a source, and I don’t really want to get people in trouble. Anyway, Nintendo apparently started working on a new platform in early 2013 and has already selected a vendor for the SoC after talking to several potential candidates. The SoC might be based on an existing design, but will be changed to fit Nintendo’s requirements. I assume it’s for their next handheld, though.” http://playeressence.com/rumor-nintendo-has-begun-initial-process-on-next-generation-machine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemosabe Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 If its true, I hope Nintendo will finally release a true next gen console or may be a last of its kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Why? Wii U is good enough for 1080p Mario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I assume it’s for their next handheld, though. But my info points to a handheld with console like power, not a new console. Its not WiiU related. Does no one read anything except the headline of the thread? Then again, I dont really blame you. Calling it an article is almost laughable. Its just two posts on Neogaf a couple of guys made that are being passed off as a rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoken Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 No point in Nintendo competing directly with MS or Sony. The amount of money those 2 spend on marketing,next gen titles and getting exclusives will make Nintendo bankrupt in a month. Even if Ninty release a console more powerful than ps4 next year for 300$ , it will just end up like PS2-GCN scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 I don't think there is anything wrong with wii u as far as power is concerned. I feel nintendo f**ked up big time on marketing. From what i read, half the people abroad don't even know that there is a successor to wii. They think that wii u is just an add on for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There is a lot wrong with Wii U with regards to power and even the Dev tools provided. Read Secret Developer article on Eurogamer. Wii U is dead as far as 3rd parties are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 There is a lot wrong with Wii U with regards to power and even the Dev tools provided. Read Secret Developer article on Eurogamer. Wii U is dead as far as 3rd parties are concerned. That was just one developer. After that, a lot of developer spoke that it is not really difficult to program for. Its all about the hardware sales. It it starts picking up, then third parties are gonna jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnackChap Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 The amount of money those 2 spend on marketing,next gen titles and getting exclusives will make Nintendo bankrupt in a month. not really. Nintendo can go through 3 generations of xbox 1 type disasters and still not go bankrupt. and no one can lose as much money as MS lost on og xb. their cash reserves are well above 12-13 billion $$ and this is not even counting some of their lucrative franchisees which they might start selling off if that time ever comes. mario alone must be more worth than sony and MS's gaming division combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdrShawnzer Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 No point in Nintendo competing directly with MS or Sony. The amount of money those 2 spend on marketing,next gen titles and getting exclusives will make Nintendo bankrupt in a month. Dude. Srsly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 That was just one developer. After that, a lot of developer spoke that it is not really difficult to program for. Its all about the hardware sales. It it starts picking up, then third parties are gonna jump. wtf? That developer posted article on 11th Jan 2014. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story Read it entirely. I am only posting conclusion part. Stop dreaming about hardware selling more and 3rd parties giving a damn about Wii U: The future for Wii UCan the Wii U compete in this brave new world of next-gen (current-gen?) consoles? In terms of raw performance it sits uncomfortably between the previous generation and the current one. Parts of the hardware run better than the previous generation, but other parts drag it down. If you tried to compare the Wii U against the PS4/XO, it comes off very badly indeed - it just cannot compete with the new consoles. At a very basic level, look at the power draw taken by the next-gen consoles compared to the Wii U. The PlayStation 4 draws over 100W more from the mains than Nintendo's console, and it does so using the latest, most power-efficient x86 cores from AMD in concert with a much larger GPU that's a generation ahead and runs on a much smaller fabrication process - 28nm vs. what I'm reliably informed is the 55nm process from Japanese company Renasas. There are some fleeting parallels between Wii U and the next-gen consoles - the combination of a low-power CPU with a much more powerful graphics chip - but the notion of next-gen titles being easily portable to the Wii U just doesn't work. The gulf in power is just too high, while the GPGPU that we'll see on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 isn't compatible with the older shader model four hardware found in the Wii U. Doubtless, the first-party developers at Nintendo will make the hardware sing - they always do - but the situation looks grim for those of us in third-party development, with the opportunity to progress on the hardware held back by both the quality of the tools and the lack of financial reward for tailoring our code to the strengths of the hardware. So where does that leave the Wii U? Personally I'm not sure on what will happen, but if the current trends continue, the Wii U will probably continue to sell in small quantities until a "must have" title is released, probably from a first-party studio, at which point the sales will sky rocket for a while - but even so, matching the momentum of PlayStation 4 and Xbox One seems highly unlikely. Other variables such as the recent news regarding China lifting the ban on games consoles may influence Nintendo's future direction. This huge untapped market may provide a lifeline in terms of sales, but with the low wages of the general population these sales might well come from the original Wii, rather than the more expensive Wii U. You can never discount Nintendo, but based on my experience - and the sales of the platform - the company's facing its most testing challenge in modern times. There is load of other interesting stuff. Like how they wanted to focus on sh*t like console should be noiseless and hence it wasnt that powerful, and how their tools sucked and how much behind they are on Online framework because of lack of experience. It is a clusterf**k. Especially with statements like these: At some point in this conversation we were informed that it was no good referencing Live and PSN as nobody in [Nintendo's] development teams used those systems If you dont even know about the competition, you are bound to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 wtf? That developer posted article on 11th Jan 2014. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story Read it entirely. I am only posting conclusion part. Stop dreaming about hardware selling more and 3rd parties giving a damn about Wii U: There is load of other interesting stuff. Like how they wanted to focus on sh*t like console should be noiseless and hence it wasnt that powerful, and how their tools sucked and how much behind they are on Online framework because of lack of experience. It is a clusterf**k. Especially with statements like these: If you dont even know about the competition, you are bound to fail. I am not dreaming about anything. I am not saying that hardware would start selling. I am just saying that if it does then the 3rd party support would pick up. No matter what difficulty there is for developing games on wii u, if it sells, 3rd party would come on board. Cell of ps3 is an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 wtf? That developer posted article on 11th Jan 2014. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story Read it entirely. I am only posting conclusion part. Stop dreaming about hardware selling more and 3rd parties giving a damn about Wii U: There is load of other interesting stuff. Like how they wanted to focus on sh*t like console should be noiseless and hence it wasnt that powerful, and how their tools sucked and how much behind they are on Online framework because of lack of experience. It is a clusterf**k. Especially with statements like these: If you dont even know about the competition, you are bound to fail. I am not dreaming about anything. I am not saying that hardware would start selling. I am just saying that if it does then the 3rd party support would pick up. No matter what difficulty there is for developing games on wii u, if it sells, 3rd party would come on board. Cell of ps3 is an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 No matter what difficulty there is for developing games on wii u, if it sells, 3rd party would come on board. Cell of ps3 is an example. PS3's case was different. PS3 didnt have 2 more powerful consoles outselling it. PS4 outsold Wii U till date in first week of its launch. Xbone is not far behind or maybe already ahead. Next Mario or whatever will help sell more Wii Us, but again, 3rd party devs wont bother as they are busy with Next gen consoles which are selling way more. Creating ports for Wii U will take away development costs and returns will always be low compared to PS4 and Xbone sales, as it is difficult porting next gen games to Wii U as written in that article. All those 3rd parties which were all excited about Wii U during its launch at E3 are no where close to Wii U now. EA has arleady announced Frost Bite games wont run on Wii U and Ubisoft has already moved on. Their Online sucks so COD guys also wont bother. All those 'exclusive' 3rd party games like Rayman Legends and Deus Ex Director's cut already went multiplatform. Wii U is dead for 3rd parties. Heck Patcher is saying that Nintendo should release their games for other consoles and come up with a new console in 2 years time. You know a Nintendo console is struggling when a game like Knack outsells Mario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 PS3's case was different. PS3 didnt have 2 more powerful consoles outselling it. PS4 outsold Wii U till date in first week of its launch. Xbone is not far behind or maybe already ahead. Next Mario or whatever will help sell more Wii Us, but again, 3rd party devs wont bother as they are busy with Next gen consoles which are selling way more. Creating ports for Wii U will take away development costs and returns will always be low compared to PS4 and Xbone sales, as it is difficult porting next gen games to Wii U as written in that article. All those 3rd parties which were all excited about Wii U during its launch at E3 are no where close to Wii U now. EA has arleady announced Frost Bite games wont run on Wii U and Ubisoft has already moved on. Their Online sucks so COD guys also wont bother. All those 'exclusive' 3rd party games like Rayman Legends and Deus Ex Director's cut already went multiplatform. Wii U is dead for 3rd parties. Heck Patcher is saying that Nintendo should release their games for other consoles and come up with a new console in 2 years time. You know a Nintendo console is struggling when a game like Knack outsells Mario Where in the world did i say that wii u would start selling and would become a top console? It won't sell enough to get third parties interested much. I know that. All i said was IF wii u was to start selling in huge numbers(which i know it won't) then we would see a lot of third party games. Difficult to develop won't be a issue if third parties can feel that the costs would be justified by the revenue that they get by porting the game over to wii u. I am not saying that this all would happen. I am simply saying that IF the sales was to increase in huge numbers. IF! and Knack isn't outselling mario. It was just in one week and that too in UK. Mario is now over a million and selling consistently well and knack isn't really selling anymore and is below 500k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I don't think there is anything wrong with wii u as far as power is concerned After that, a lot of developer spoke that it is not really difficult to program for Oh ok. After reading the above statements I thought that you believed that console will sell well and 3rd parties will pick it up as you believed console is powerful enough and 3rd parties find it not really difficult to develop games. So I posted above posts. So you know that console wont sell well and will never kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Oh ok. After reading the above statements I thought that you believed that console will sell well and 3rd parties will pick it up as you believed console is powerful enough and 3rd parties find it not really difficult to develop games. So I posted above posts. So you know that console wont sell well and will never kick off. I know it won't really take off the way nintendo would want or that would attract the third parties. I just said that if the console was to sell in huge numbers then these things like difficult to develop for etc wouldn't matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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