Lok Sabha Elections 2014 thread.

[Man In The Box]

 

 

 

well yes, that. and more than this, it is to do with the Union of which that particular federal unit (hell mumbai aint a federal unit specifically to speak of) is a part of, and the rules and bindings that are there.

 

True. And unlike what Mr. Raj Thackeray said (I like the guy's views in various points but he is deeply flawed in the immigration stance), Mumbai would indeed collapse if not for migrant workers from Bihar/ UP as pointed out by various economists.

[HundredProofSam]

 

Dude, this is clearly not what I meant. Let's talk about cognitive thinking here. If the Government (e.g. Congress) sees that Mumbai voted mostly for BJP, then they would make an effort to change that perception. Similarly, if Mumbai always votes for Congress, then INC would work to solidify this perception.

 

However, if there are no votes then the Government would honestly not put in an extra effort. There is a thing in 'Transactional Analysis'- Psychology called 'strokes' (in simple terms: feedback). Giving out a negative stroke is better than not giving a stroke at all. If you vote for the opposition, you are stating that you are not liking the current work and hence force the current party to put in an extra effort.

 

A very simplified example, Person A and Person B are your employees, Person A is supposed to give you a glass of water everyday but never does. Hence you ask Person B to give you that glass and inform him that you are asking him this because Person A is not doing his job. This would in turn lead to a reaction. The current viewpoint of Mumbaikars is that I will fire both my employees without even telling them why.

So by that logic, if Mumbai had a 95% turnout and BJP steamrolled the Congress, and BJP came to power at the Centre, would that also mean that BJP would spend less on Mumbai since they already know that they have Mumbai in their pocket?

 

It shouldn't be as complicated as that. If you see that the country's economic growth is coming from certain parts of the country, you should take steps to ensure that there are no hurdles to that economic growth.

 

 

 

So basically you are endorsing segregation politics, stopping migrants from moving freely in their own country so that locals of a particular place feel good and then vote for the party that took that measure.

 

 

See how statements can be twisted ?

 

btw what is your stance on restriction on movement with in a Country ? yes or no ?

No explanations, just yes or no.

There should be no restriction of movement and I have no problem with migration in Mumbai. It's perfectly natural for bigger cities to be overpopulated. What I want is for the city to be better equipped to accommodate that influx. At the moment, its woefully ill-equipped.

 

The plan of building many new cities across India to reduce the load of the current few big cities is awesome, but it's a long term one; one that even the next two government won't see to completion. In the mean time, they need to support the cities that are currently bursting at the seams.

[CarbonCore]

btw what is your stance on restriction on movement with in a Country ? yes or no ?

No explanations, just yes or no.

 

Depends on who you ask. I was pro-restriction when I lived near south Mumbai, but now that I have moved out to Navi Mumbai which is relatively open and nice and comfy, I have no problem with people migrating from anywhere to anywhere. Go flood the sh*t out of that tiny island, its your fundamental right after all.

[Man In The Box]

So by that logic, if Mumbai had a 95% turnout and BJP steamrolled the Congress, and BJP came to power at the Centre, would that also mean that BJP would spend less on Mumbai since they already know that they have Mumbai in their pocket?

 

It shouldn't be as complicated as that. If you see that the country's economic growth is coming from certain parts of the country, you should take steps to ensure that there are no hurdles to that economic growth.

 

Dude, way to miss the point. I just mentioned that if BJP would streamroll the Congress, they would definitely do much more in Mumbai to further solidiy their position. No one neglects a place that votes. Once again, I am not saying that no one neglects a place that votes for them. I am just saying that no party can afford to neglect a place that votes.

 

If BJP even gets the majority in Mumbai, they would not put in that much attention there just because the voting proportion is so less. There are no free lunches anywhere and why would a party bother to change perception/ solidify perception in a place which seems to not care. There are so many other places in India which are voting vigorously and in high numbers and the attention will surely go there.

[Right]

then there are basic capitalist principles in play, demand of menial work is supplied by willing workers. the asinine thought of restricting movements with in a country is SO beyond ridiculous that it seems the persons propagating it havent ever picked up the copy of constitution or at the very lest understood the idea behind it.

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Baba saheb didn't know that one day there will be 3crore illegal immigrants from Bangladesh sucking on India's resources.

Constitution is not godsend book that cannot be amended with changing times. Be pragmatic and visit mumbai or better stay in mumbai for few months and see the problems people face.

 

Mumbai would indeed collapse if not for migrant workers from Bihar/ UP as pointed out by various economists.

I disagree. I think workers from other part of MH should able to support if need arises.

[Man In The Box]

Baba saheb didn't know that one day there will be 3crore illegal immigrants from Bangladesh sucking on India's resources.

Constitution is not godsend book that cannot be amended with changing times. Be pragmatic and visit mumbai or better stay in mumbai for few months and see the problems people face.

 

I disagree. I think workers from other part of MH should able to support if need arises.

 

 

You do know that 70% of migrants in Mumbai are from Maharashtra only right ?

 

And yeah, I have stayed in Mumbai too and the only reason it is the economic powerhouse is due to the collaboration between Mahrashtrians, North Indians, and people from other parts of the country. But ya I will admit I haven't experienced the middle-class Mumbai lifestyle. This problem, as mentioned before, is not with Biharis/ UPites, etc. It's because of cheap labourers coming from other parts of the country. Taking the name of the whole 'Bihari' and 'UP' community is overgeneralising but it's understandable as many labourers are from that region.

 

Workers from other parts of the region cannot support this need. If they could, companies would hire them instead of hiring North Indians- as simple as that. Maharashtrian workers would demand more wages and the North Indians are doing the same work for less money- hence they are a better human resource.

[HundredProofSam]

Let's not start with the cliched history lessons on how Mumbai was built. I'm a non-Maharashtrian in Mumbai. I know how important migrants are to the city, and I also know that those complaining about migration as it is happening now have valid points.

 

But migration is not the reason Mumbai's residents don't vote. If people were really that fed up with migrants, MNS would get whatever votes the city does cast and Shiv Sena would win on its own merit rather than its alliance with BJP. I work in the media industry and many of my friends are from outside Mumbai. They struggle with the cost of living here with salaries that would let them live comfortably anywhere else. People who live here (whether for a few years or all their lives) do so at a very high cost. 20-30% of the country's income tax collections come from Mumbai, but what they get in return from the government (UPA or NDA) is abysmal. It's absurd anyway you look at it.

 

Again, not an excuse for not voting, but definitely enough reason to be cynical.

[godspeed4476]

 

The plan of building many new cities across India to reduce the load of the current few big cities is awesome, but it's a long term one; one that even the next two government won't see to completion. In the mean time, they need to support the cities that are currently bursting at the seams.

It can be done in a decade i think. I mean not building ghost cities like China, but expanding on some of the potential semi urban locations in the country. Power, Roads, SEZ's are 3 main things required, IMO it can be done in a decades time frame.

Infrastructure condition in Mumbai for is abysmal, i mean every 2 month i get down i delhi i see a new fking metro station, and here our tiny metro phase 1 (combined with other projects) is delayed forever.

[playstation]

Hum agar kabhi Mumbai shift hua toh yeha bolega hi nahi...pata chala hum ko hi marr ke bhaga diya.

[Nemo]

Constitution is not godsend book that cannot be amended with changing times. Be pragmatic and visit mumbai or better stay in mumbai for few months and see the problems people face.

 

 

 

Well Fundamental right to freedom (of movement and residence) trumps any argument that you may have.

Yes it can be amended but in practice it is nigh impossible (to amend fundamental rights) and as long as democracy is there and the fact that Mumbai is in India and not the other way 'round, no matter how much certain Mumbai dwellers might like to believe otherwise, it's going to stay that way. Thankfully.

[godspeed4476]

Hum agar kabhi Mumbai shift hua toh yeha bolega hi nahi...pata chala hum ko hi marr ke bhaga diya.

Dont worry Bro, GAC will protect you. You will never walk alone.

[Nemo]

 

 

There should be no restriction of movement and I have no problem with migration in Mumbai. It's perfectly natural for bigger cities to be overpopulated. What I want is for the city to be better equipped to accommodate that influx. At the moment, its woefully ill-equipped.

 

The plan of building many new cities across India to reduce the load of the current few big cities is awesome, but it's a long term one; one that even the next two government won't see to completion. In the mean time, they need to support the cities that are currently bursting at the seams.

 

 

 

See now that is how one postulates and addresses the problem of over population. I have no problems in Mumbai getting proportionate funds/grants (to its contribution in tax revenue), that is how it should be, in fact i am surprised that it is not the case.

 

I do not identify myself with any city. Was born in Delhi and brought up across west UP and Delhi. Till couple of years back, was living in Delhi, now living in UP, and 3 months from now will be again in Delhi. (for an year or thereabouts).

 

So am essentially a nomad. I know cities overpopulate and it is an unpleasant thing, but no one has a right to stop people from moving, citizens. Building proper peripheral towns is one way, in fact it is the most important and practical solution. Gurgaon and Noida (and to an extent zilla ghaziabad- yep movie - and faridabad) have helped delhi but both the latter cities have shitty transport and roads vis a vis delhi, specifically ndmc (best roads in india yo'). Do you have any such system in mumbai ? The problem, how i understand is that Mumbai, being an island (or a bunch of them) is difficult to expand.

 

 

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[CarbonCore]

MNS would get whatever votes the city does cast and Shiv Sena would win on its own merit rather than its alliance with BJP.

 

They actually do in Mumbai municipal elections which has better voter turnout despite low profile rallies and candidates. Sena dominates BMC and MNS is the fastest growing party in last 8 or so years. I wouldn't be surprised if they get enough seats to influence who's gov comes in power in Oct elections.

[godspeed4476]

 

 

They actually do in Mumbai municipal elections which has better voter turnout despite low profile rallies and candidates. Sena dominates BMC and MNS is the fastest growing party in last 8 or so years. I wouldn't be surprised if they get enough seats to influence who's gov comes in power in Oct elections.

 

Local elections have higher turnout, because the issues are directly related to the general public and the personal touch of the candidates with most of the voters. MNS was nothing when it was following a more secular and inclusive agenda, its only after they started using a more territorial approach, they have started making gains. Unless they reinvent themselves or pick up new agendas, make new partners,their growth is gonna be stymied. Separatist policy is only gonna get them this far.This is one of the reasons they are looking to go after the Toll tax and giving feelers to NDA.

[Right]

 

[godspeed4476]

Teak hai

[Right]

 

Theres justice in the world.

Cuntskins wanted to install their own CAOS.

 

Also today Kamalnath has done sauda of 50000 cr of land in NCR. Congress jaate jaate apki mar ke jana chahti hai.

[Babyzelda]

Some posts back someone said Vadra is going to Jail if NDA comes, you can be rest assured its a dream because off the media cameras most top politicians / families are pretty well off with each other so lets not get unreal, no one is going to really touch Gandhis directly beyond promising words, and vice versa for the opposition top leaders.

[playstation]

Some posts back someone said Vadra is going to Jail if NDA comes, you can be rest assured its a dream because off the media cameras most top politicians / families are pretty well off with each other so lets not get unreal, no one is going to really touch Gandhis directly beyond promising words, and vice versa for the opposition top leaders.

+100000

 

I remember reading long time back that Atal Ji got Rahl Gandhi out ..when FBI had caught him with over 100000$ when he was roaming with him Colombian Girlfriend Veronique.

 

Sab harami hai......tum mera khujao....hum tumhara khujayega....

 

 

Mera Modi ko vote dena ka ek hi reason hai....CHINA......if he also turns out Napunsak Like mc Gandhi Family who did nothing when our borders were violated....then God save this country.

[dante77]

^^thats nice to see. So, not everyone is going with the flow and talk about development and prices. People in my city are like Modi comes petrol prices down, Modi comes, dhaniya sasti, Modi comes, development pakki, India will be more powerful than US and all good to see people here have sense.