PC Hardware Thread

[mohit9206]

athek xD

Haha [emoji1] Edited April 18, 2017 by mohit9206

[ALPHA17]

TBH i really never knew that Radeon cards were such powerhogs until today!

 

Naah! AMD cards lost out on the efficiency factor post the HD7000 series.

 

nVidia's Kepler was the turning point and Pascal simply reinforced it.

Results from the Sapphire board seems to be reliable. Could it be that PowerColor sent AnandTech and other reviewers a engineering sample or could it be the fault of a pre-release bios?

 

Nope, results fall in line with what was expected performance wise at-least. Power and heat output wise, it is back to the rebadge issue.

Edited April 18, 2017 by ALPHA17

[Star Lord]

Switched to 1060 6gb from RX470.No bump in temps,no black screen errors ez life!

[pixeljunkie]

Naah! AMD cards lost out on the efficiency factor post the HD7000 series.

 

nVidia's Kepler was the turning point and Pascal simply reinforced it.

 

Looks like AMD is sacrificing power efficiency just to keep up with NVidia. Could this also be another reason, if not the only one (their confidence in alternative rendering techniques), for Sony to downclock the Polaris GPU to 911MHz in the Pro?

 

 

Nope, results fall in line with what was expected performance wise at-least. Power and heat output wise, it is back to the rebadge issue.

 

Performance-wise the RX 580 delivers as expected. But those power consumption numbers. Strong indication that power tuning is still sub-optimal?

[ALPHA17]

Performance-wise the RX 580 delivers as expected. But those power consumption numbers. Strong indication that power tuning is still sub-optimal?

 

Not power-tuning, just the architecture.

 

They have actually improved the power numbers for idle state, multi-monitor set-up and most importantly on the HD-content encoding states. Pushing for high clocks is what is causing the higher power requirements though.

 

I expect most people to realise that they can save a chunk of power by under-volting the card though. Just like it was the case with the RX4** series cards. Still does not make the RX5** series anymore appealing unless they are priced well.

Could this also be another reason, if not the only one (their confidence in alternative rendering techniques), for Sony to downclock the Polaris GPU to 911MHz in the Pro?

 

I think in the console it is a straight up sacrifice so that they do not have RROD situation on their hands, better to have a decently optimised chip running in the long term than one which goes hot and fast, quite literally.

[pixeljunkie]

Not power-tuning, just the architecture.

 

They have actually improved the power numbers for idle state, multi-monitor set-up and most importantly on the HD-content encoding states. Pushing for high clocks is what is causing the higher power requirements though.

 

I expect most people to realise that they can save a chunk of power by under-volting the card though. Just like it was the case with the RX4** series cards. Still does not make the RX5** series anymore appealing unless they are priced well.

 

Do you have the links to the under-volting guides? Thanks!

 

 

I think in the console it is a straight up sacrifice so that they do not have RROD situation on their hands, better to have a decently optimised chip running in the long term than one which goes hot and fast, quite literally.

 

I think so to. The more i think about it, the more i realize @playstation is right when he said that Sony will launch the PS5 by 2019.

[SRINI87]

RUMOR: NVIDIA Prepping New GeForce GTX 20 Series Graphics Cards Based on Volta Architecture for Q3 2017 Launch

 

There is a very interesting rumor currently making the rounds: that NVIDIA has pushed forward its upcoming Volta lineup (Geforce 20 Series Graphics) for a Q3 launch. The rumor cites a source we haven’t used in a long while, and is none other than MyDrivers.com: a chinese publication that was fairly active in the leak scene till a few years back. Since we haven’t heard anything else from any other source, I will be marking this one as a rumor till additional information is received.

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-20-volta-graphics-card-q3-2017/

[Star Lord]

[pixeljunkie]

RUMOR: NVIDIA Prepping New GeForce GTX 20 Series Graphics Cards Based on Volta Architecture for Q3 2017 Launch

 

There is a very interesting rumor currently making the rounds: that NVIDIA has pushed forward its upcoming Volta lineup (Geforce 20 Series Graphics) for a Q3 launch. The rumor cites a source we haven’t used in a long while, and is none other than MyDrivers.com: a chinese publication that was fairly active in the leak scene till a few years back. Since we haven’t heard anything else from any other source, I will be marking this one as a rumor till additional information is received.

 

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-20-volta-graphics-card-q3-2017/

 

 

IMHO it's waaay too early.

 

But we can take this as confirmation that Vega + Ryzen is going to be a hit next month. Power consumption be damned!

Edited April 20, 2017 by pixeljunkie

[Heaven Angel]

Awesome

[SRINI87]

BTW RX 480 came be flashed to RX580 lol

Edited April 20, 2017 by SRINI87

[Heaven Angel]

Patiently waiting for Vega

 

[WhiteWolf]

Patiently waiting for Vega

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ougPfYRmaY

Stick with Nvidia.

 

And why you need new card now?

 

Gtx 1080 struggling to run games at 4k or what?

[pixeljunkie]

Stick with Nvidia.

 

And why you need new card now?

 

Gtx 1080 struggling to run games at 4k or what?

 

Dude. He's looking forward to the arrival of Vega; so am i. And he's only left a single post. But that doesn't mean he wants to buy a new card! You're terrible at needling people too!

[mohit9206]

 

[pixeljunkie]

I guess for sure we'll know how accurate the report is in a week or so when Nvidia releases it's earnings - but I personally think this rumor is false.

For starters these architectures, the design, fabrication, testing, etc are planned out pretty far in advance. Suddenly moving the starting point of it up about 6 months is insane for a project of this scope. Especially when you consider that they usually end up delayed. So instead of a typical few month production delay, Nvidia intends on moving the launch of an entire generation up ~6 months? Seems far fetched.

There are too many key technologies that aren't where they need to be yet. GDDR6 for example is supposedly ready for mass production in Q1 2018 by Micron - who is a big partner for Nvidia. I feel like if Nvidia was launching a series of cards within several months, why wouldn't they just wait until that's finished? Whatever AMD refreshes Vega/Polaris with next year will almost definitely have it.

The two Titan Super Computers and Xavier, all Volta based are all slated for a 2018 launch. The Titan's were supposed to be 2017 but got delayed and the Xavier units were announced for volume shipping in 2018.

We probably would have heard about it being taped out. Every major GPU release has gotten a rumor ~8-10 months prior to release of being taped out. We haven't heard anything like this about Volta. Which seems weird considering it's "supposed to launch" in the next 5 months.

I also think a large part of the problem with stagnating sales is that current GPU's are simply enough for the vast majority of people. 90% of steam gamers own 1080p or lower monitors. For a long time, you'd had to constantly update your card in order to be able to game at 1080p with decent framerates in the latest games. This generation is different though - a 980/970/390/390x etc are all able to do 1080p @ 60 in most current games. Even more problematic for the industry is that 4K is the new target - but I doubt many gamers are going to upgrade. For example, the consoles generally control the "base" level of graphics. When a new console would come out - they'd just make all the graphics better and that would filter over to the PC, where you'd need a new card in order to drive that at 1080p. But this generation of consoles is shifting the target to 4K, so all the new GPU power is being utilized just to scale to that resolution. But most gamers probably won't be upgrading to 4K monitors anytime soon - thus a 980/1060/480/390/etc will all most likely be capable of running the next generation of AAA titles, at 1080p fine. So why upgrade? I don't think launching Volta early is really going to have an effect on that.

I could be wrong, but I predict we won't see a Volta based consumer GPU until Q1 2018, probably around March. I think they will detail Volta this year - in fact I think we may even get some info on it at 2017 GTC in a few weeks (mostly AI/Deep Learning Focused Info) - but I don't think we'll see a real product this year. At least one that Guru3D people would be interesting in buying.

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I agree with this guy. Especially with the text in bold.

But does anyone remember what Nvidia did with the GTX 1080 Ti last month? According to the original rumour circulating in 2016, Nvidia settled on 3328 shaders for the GP102-200-A1 chip in the GTX 1080 Ti. Everything changed last month at the GTX 1080 Ti reveal where it was announced that the Ti would ship with 3584 shaders. This tells me that the regarding the Pascal lineup successfully taping out with promising yields in 2015 were all true and Nvidia was keeping this bit of information a closely guarded secret. Nvidia could have launched Pascal and the GTX 1080 as early as Q3 2015 which they didn't. It's not surprising for Nvidia to hold out on a new generation unless they're satisfied squeezing every bit out of the current generation. Hate them or applaud them for this greedy tactic, at the end of the day it's just good business to prepare an efficient market time-table. If the latest rumours are true then i suspect that Nvidia have, in a dramatic response to Ryzen + Vega, significantly moved up their time-table to launch Volta in Q3 this year.

 

Edited April 22, 2017 by pixeljunkie

[SRINI87]

[pixeljunkie]

^^ Nice!

 

But it's strange that Nvidia hasn't released demos showcasing the Geforce 10 series.

 

Epic's Infiltrator demo is by far the best technology showcase ever made!

 

 

The Elemental demo is pretty good too!

 

[SRINI87]

GDDR6 is coming to high-end GPUs in early 2018

 

SK Hynix has just teased the world saying that they're pushing out their new GDDR6 RAM, with up to 16Gbps of bandwidth - a massive increase from the already huge 11Gbps available on the GDDR5X that NVIDIA has on its new GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, and its refreshed GTX 1080 with 11Gbps.

In the PR statement, SK Hynix said: "SK Hynix Inc.today introduced the world's fastest 2Znm 8Gb(Gigabit) GDDR6(Graphics DDR6) DRAM. The product operates with an I/O data rate of 16Gbps(Gigabits per second) per pin, which is the industry's fastest. With a forthcoming high-end graphics card of 384-bit I/Os, this DRAM processes up to 768GB(Gigabytes) of graphics data per second. SK Hynix has been planning to mass produce the product for a client to release high-end graphics card by early 2018 equipped with high performance GDDR6 DRAMs".

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57250/gddr6-coming-high-end-gpus-early-2018/index.html

[mohit9206]

So what does this mean for HBM?