Firewatch

[WhiteWolf]

5 hours ago, GeraltOfRivia said:

 

Developer has stated that they don't want to support or be associated with a racist person in any way. Review bombing their game for this reason is outright stupidity.

Thing his PDP helped them to sell their game. His Firewatch stream was watched by over 5m people. Pretty sure many of his followers bought game after watching his stream. 

 

Compo Santo ka kaam nikal gaya toh woh ab dmca use kar rahein hai. Why they even allowed that c*nt to stream their game in first place?. It's not first time he used racist slurs. They were very well aware that guy is complete racist a**hole.

 

 

f**k both PDP and Campa Santa 

 

[ALPHA17]

23 minutes ago, WhiteWolf said:

Compo Santo ka kaam nikal gaya toh woh ab dmca use kar rahein hai. Why they even allowed that c*nt to stream their game in first place?. It's not first time he used racist slurs. They were very well aware that guy is complete racist a**hole.

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DMCA abuse would have been if the company did not give a reason to pull down a video. 

 

I quite agree that a developer /publisher /brand would want to disassociate with such people.

 

Not the first time but he has done three gaffes in this year. You cannot accept that the first time it was a spur of the moment thing followed by a second and a third and a fourth and a fifth time. I mean at that point he is cashing in on the infamy. 

[Aftrunner]

Didnt used the edit post button. Typed the name of the developer twice. Spelled it wrong both times. 

 

#JustZodkaThings

[Heaven Angel]

Steam has resolved this issue by changing their User Reviews

 

So why is review bombing a problem? On the one hand, the players doing the bombing are fulfilling the goal of User Reviews - they're voicing their opinion as to why other people shouldn't buy the game. But one thing we've noticed is that the issue players are concerned about can often be outside the game itself. It might be that they're unhappy with something the developer has said online, or about choices the developer has made in the Steam version of their game relative to other platforms, or simply that they don't like the developer's political convictions. Many of these out-of-game issues aren't very relevant when it comes to the value of the game itself, but some of them are real reasons why a player may be unhappy with their purchase.

 

Petulant childish behaviour from everyone involved. 

 

5 hours ago, WhiteWolf said:

Wow his crazy fans going after Firewatch on Steam. Mass review bomb. Guy has now over 50m follower

 

Now? He is the biggest Youtuber... 57+ million subs and the second person is around 32m. 

[CM Sunny]

21 hours ago, Aftrunner said:

 

Holy sh*t bro. I am either gonna assume you are young or have never been called the N word. Because anything else would just make me genuinely be disappointed in you. 

 

As for the rest, 

 

1 Being a year old has nothing to do with it. If tomorrow Messi becomes a raging racist, you wont be seeing any of his year old ads on Nike's site. That sh*t gets purged. 

2 It has EVERYTHING to do with the shitstain's comments. That is the whole reason they issued the take down. You DONT want your game to be anywhere on his channel. Doesnt matter if he said the N word in your game's video or someone else. Context doesnt matter. 

3 There never was freedom. The whole Lets Play promotion exists as a handshake gesture between video game devs and streamers. Its their game. Its their choice.

 

f**k him. f**k his business. He is a racist piece of sh*t. There is no law that says that companies have to let him use their material to make money. 

 

Context doesnt matter? What are you smoking man?

First of all intent and context do matter. I don't follow pdp but I saw the video and holyshit at the over reaction. 

 

That wasn't a racist  outburst. It was a spur of the moment reaction which is highly plausible in competitive/multiplayer gaming. Was it right? Debatable given his massive reach but he did realize his mistake instantly and apologized too. The reaction by the major outlets was hysterical at best and I could have understood if it was the PUBS guys who had an issue with. 

 

Vanaman had no reason for taking it so personally. If you don't like the guy and think you're in the correct legally, then message him that you don't want him covering your 'future content' and take the possible legal routes you think you can if he denies that.  

Targeting old existing content, that too after you have specifically given the permission to streamers and LPer to use your content, is just a plain dick move. They didn't pay or sponsor pdp directly for Firewatch, it's an indirect relationship and more nuanced than the Messi example you use.

Also please lets get real what Joe is debating about. Just because you don't like someone and have an axe to grind, doesn't mean you should be able to abuse the laws to get it done. Over that, you are openly using it maliciously to have other devs do the same. How is it even acceptable to encourage misuse of laws like that.  

You might not argue it because it's happening to pdp but there are way many people who will begin to abuse it once they see a precedent being set.  This is a shitstorm that's just gonna complicate things more unnecessarily.

 

17 hours ago, ALPHA17 said:

 

DMCA abuse would have been if the company did not give a reason to pull down a video. 

 

 

 

 

Which is exactly what they did. They specifically gave permission to streamers and LPers to stream the game and make money of it. Then they went back and picked out one such video from a guy they didn't like and issued DMCA. That's the major thing people are arguing about.

[Aftrunner]

If you or your friends throw around words like "n*****" when you are playing games you are either a piece of sh*t or a 12 year old with brain damage. 

 

You can defend this behavior with "Its just a word/He isnt REALLY racist/Campo Santo are just as bad/We all do it in the heat of the moment" all you want. I wont change your mind. I wont bother either. I will just think you are a shitty human being for going to bat for another shitty human being and move right on. The internet is full of racists and racism apologists so finding a few on IVG doesnt really surprise me.

 

/Shrug.

[ALPHA17]

1 hour ago, CM Sunny said:

~snip~

 

 

This is not the first time he has done this. 

 

Second, carte blanche approvals are given all the time. This does not mean that in-case things go belly up individual approval(s) cannot be rescinded. 

 

Also, the "heat of the moment" argument is bullshit. IT IS BULLSHIT. Claiming ignorance about it and repeating the same within days of the first offence makes it harder to justify /defend.

 

The thing is only Campo Santo called in a DMCA, none of the other devs /publishers pulled it. And after this, even Vanaman stated that they could have handled it in a better way.

[CM Sunny]

51 minutes ago, Aftrunner said:

If you or your friends throw around words like "n*****" when you are playing games you are either a piece of sh*t or a 12 year old with brain damage. 

 

You can defend this behavior with "Its just a word/He isnt REALLY racist/Campo Santo are just as bad/We all do it in the heat of the moment" all you want. I wont change your mind. I wont bother either. I will just think you are a shitty human being for going to bat for another shitty human being and move right on. The internet is full of racists and racism apologists so finding a few on IVG doesnt really surprise me.

 

/Shrug.

It's pretty common in the fighting game community. It can be considered juvenile but damn, ''pos or brain damage'' ?  Its not that black and white jeez.
 

You do get that the major points of discussion is the false dmca claim and not his usage on the word. Yes, using expletives is bad, fine, move on, the real issue is bigger than that.
 

48 minutes ago, ALPHA17 said:

 

This is not the first time he has done this. 

 

Second, carte blanche approvals are given all the time. This does not mean that in-case things go belly up individual approval(s) cannot be rescinded. 

 

Also, the "heat of the moment" argument is bullshit. IT IS BULLSHIT. Claiming ignorance about it and repeating the same within days of the first offence makes it harder to justify /defend.

 

The thing is only Campo Santo called in a DMCA, none of the other devs /publishers pulled it. And after this, even Vanaman stated that they could have handled it in a better way.

 

What's the previous time? that nazi controversy? it's very debatable. I don't follow his content so I dunno about the other incidents apart from these two. Also the real issue we are debating is them not using the dmca for actual intentional copyright infringement. Instead they used it demonstrably in bad faith even inciting others to do the same.
 

Also I am not debating that they can't rescind their streaming approval. That's what I meant by 'future content'. The main issue is them targeting an existing content that did not infringe any law/rules and then abusing the law to get that content labelled as a violation for an offense it's independent from.  

 

Also stating that it's just Campo Santo, isn't excusing them. Thankfully the other devs showed common sense and restraint. However youtube already accepted the complaint because they don't want to get involved. This does sets a very dangerous precedent. There are already many people in youtube blatantly abusing copyright to silence views they don't like. This is just more ammunition for them. 

It's very weird defending PDP, didn't think such a day would come five years ago




P.S: One more thing. What's exactly bullshit about the heat of the moment thing? It's an very understandable position. Our generation did grow in a culture where expletives were common but didn't carry the same intent as they had for the previous generations. I am not defending it and surely we must adapt to the changing world and it's requirement. However I can understand if it occurs due to momentarily lapse in restraint.  Rather judge people based on the actual intent behind their words.