mohit9206 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 They call people like us who question the business decisions of the CEO's and other high level executives of a company as armchair businessman but how can it be a good business decision to launch a underpowered console handheld tablet hybrid with poor battery life for $300 and additional cost of expensive accessories and memory cards and paid online. The media reaction has also been quite negative and no one outside the established Nintendo fanbase is really interested in the Switch. Pre order numbers are good because a lot of Nintendo hardcore fans have booked theirs in advance. Need i remind you guys that WiiU also had extremely strong pre order numbers but the console bombed after that. http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-wii-u-pre-orders-strong/ So pre order numbers don't really mean anything in this case. The business strategy going into this launch seems pretty bad and we'll see the results in the coming months. In fear of sounding too negative, i like the concept of Switch but concerns about high price, low internal storage, poor battery life, paid online, etc cannot be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) They call people like us who question the business decisions of the CEO's and other high level executives of a company as armchair businessman but how can it be a good business decision to launch a underpowered console handheld tablet hybrid with poor battery life for $300 and additional cost of expensive accessories and memory cards and paid online. The media reaction has also been quite negative and no one outside the established Nintendo fanbase is really interested in the Switch. Pre order numbers are good because a lot of Nintendo hardcore fans have booked theirs in advance. Need i remind you guys that WiiU also had extremely strong pre order numbers but the console bombed after that. http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-wii-u-pre-orders-strong/ So pre order numbers don't really mean anything in this case. The business strategy going into this launch seems pretty bad and we'll see the results in the coming months. In fear of sounding too negative, i like the concept of Switch but concerns about high price, low internal storage, poor battery life, paid online, etc cannot be ignored. Launch lineup is sh*t but the first year lineup isn't. $300 isn't a huge amount and the vibe around this device and the appeal of this is much much more positive than wii u ever had. It doesn't matter how sh*t their launch lineup is, because they will sell out the limited numbers that they will make at launch anyways. Thing that matters is how much they sustain the sales. With splatoon 2, mk8 deluxe, new zelda, new xenoblade and new 3d mario in the first year itself, this system will sell. No matter how much people whine about paid online, it doesn't matter whatsoever. It didn't matter when 360 was charging it, it didn't matter when ps4 decided to charge it. Just wait to see how this system sells. Edited January 18, 2017 by Sach4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 They call people like us who question the business decisions of the CEO's and other high level executives of a company as armchair businessman but how can it be a good business decision to launch a underpowered console handheld tablet hybrid with poor battery life for $300 and additional cost of expensive accessories and memory cards and paid online. The media reaction has also been quite negative and no one outside the established Nintendo fanbase is really interested in the Switch. Pre order numbers are good because a lot of Nintendo hardcore fans have booked theirs in advance. Need i remind you guys that WiiU also had extremely strong pre order numbers but the console bombed after that. http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-wii-u-pre-orders-strong/ So pre order numbers don't really mean anything in this case. The business strategy going into this launch seems pretty bad and we'll see the results in the coming months. In fear of sounding too negative, i like the concept of Switch but concerns about high price, low internal storage, poor battery life, paid online, etc cannot be ignored. when wiiu was announced ...i had called it failure right then only and got lot of flak from some members here calling psfan and giving wii success story etc....Nintendo should have just bought in WiiHD bundled with wii motion controller and one normal gamepad (wii pro i think its called) and then just focus on bringing major games likemetroid ...lugi manion.....galaxy 3 in hds ...etc etc...the concept was failure from the start and it has been proven...please note i am not saying Wiiu does not have great games ...i am just saying those games dont require that touchscreen gamepad...it would have still been fun with wii motion controller infact even more so... I am like you surpised how a CEO and so many business strategist fail to see when normal games like us can see it from far away.....this too i have my doubts but i would not call it failure so early because one thing really stands out for this and that is combining portable nintendo console library with console....and Nintendo is very solid with portable game line up...so thats the only major point i see as of now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCore Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Shu is on a mission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkreiig Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 .... Saying the same thing over and over again won't change anything. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Shu is on a mission yeh bhi pahuch gaya wah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 They call people like us who question the business decisions of the CEO's and other high level executives of a company as armchair businessman but how can it be a good business decision to launch a underpowered console handheld tablet hybrid with poor battery life for $300 and additional cost of expensive accessories and memory cards and paid online. The media reaction has also been quite negative and no one outside the established Nintendo fanbase is really interested in the Switch. Pre order numbers are good because a lot of Nintendo hardcore fans have booked theirs in advance. Need i remind you guys that WiiU also had extremely strong pre order numbers but the console bombed after that. http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-wii-u-pre-orders-strong/ So pre order numbers don't really mean anything in this case. The business strategy going into this launch seems pretty bad and we'll see the results in the coming months. In fear of sounding too negative, i like the concept of Switch but concerns about high price, low internal storage, poor battery life, paid online, etc cannot be ignored. 300usd is a fair price IMO. Most people were speculating 250 as the ideal price, but 300 isn't really bad. However, I agree it does need 3rd party support to survive. It can't pull off the stunt it did with wii u and expect to stay afloat There is only so much first party support they can provide even with the best intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banz Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 WiiU had a nice concept with double screen gaming, plus it had everything the Wii already had. This opened a lot of new possibilities with DS/3DS style games and also 2 player assymetrical gaming. Unfortunately nobody (including Nintendo themselves) took advantage of the hardware features and the console flopped. It has a handful of great games so if you were to buy one now, you'd get your moneys worth, but for the most part it wasn't so. With Switch they have added this new HD rumble+motion feature, which would make for great pairing with VR. It remains to be seen if or when they announce VR and if there are games that take advantage for this, but with they way most people are describing the rumble feature (apparently you can feel ribbons unwinging in ARMS, count marbles and ice cubes and what not) I really want to see it in a racing or fighting game. Support your hardware with appropriate softwares and people will buy. That's why Wii was such a hit. They call people like us who question the business decisions of the CEO's and other high level executives of a company as armchair businessman but how can it be a good business decision to launch a underpowered console handheld tablet hybrid with poor battery life for $300 and additional cost of expensive accessories and memory cards and paid online.The media reaction has also been quite negative and no one outside the established Nintendo fanbase is really interested in the Switch.Pre order numbers are good because a lot of Nintendo hardcore fans have booked theirs in advance.Need i remind you guys that WiiU also had extremely strong pre order numbers but the console bombed after that.http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-wii-u-pre-orders-strong/So pre order numbers don't really mean anything in this case. The business strategy going into this launch seems pretty bad and we'll see the results in the coming months.In fear of sounding too negative, i like the concept of Switch but concerns about high price, low internal storage, poor battery life, paid online, etc cannot be ignored. 300 is not that bad. Wii U came with a screen like this and cost 350. Switch has an even better screen, can be carried anywhere and stil costs less. None of the accesories are mandatory really, only memory cards in case you want to buy digital, and even there it's not proprietary like PS Vita, you can buy from any brand you like. This saves costs for those people who don't want to waste money on extra storage because they are buying physical games. Only one complaint I have is that 1-2 Switch should have been either available with the Switch or as a 315$ bundle because playing 50$ for a collection of minigames is a bit too much, even if it is to showcase the best features of the new hardware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftrunner Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Shu is on a mission Coming in 2018. Playstation Button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 VR with this underpowered tablet? Not gonna happen. Called it during Wii U launch that it will bomb, getting same feeling for this too. The $300 console is already overpriced, and you need Pro controller for any serious gaming. So add $70 to that. Then add SD card price + charging dock for the joy cons and it costs $400. And you get no game with it. That's not a good pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 The dog controller seems fine to me. And you don't need a SD card if you buy physical cards. Also you can charge the joycons while they are attached to the tablet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 VR with this underpowered tablet? Not gonna happen. Called it during Wii U launch that it will bomb, getting same feeling for this too. The $300 console is already overpriced, and you need Pro controller for any serious gaming. So add $70 to that. Then add SD card price + charging dock for the joy cons and it costs $400. And you get no game with it. That's not a good pricing. Pricing is decent .....and with wii motion controller it has been proven that even those can be good fun for gaming so pro can be a option but not a necessary choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banz Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 We don't know if there is VR or not, and that's not what I'm saying. But HD rumble would pair very well with VR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33tmaniac Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Snippet from Kotaku interview. Seems like you can switch between accounts from different regions(no pun intended) Now, if only they announce that VC purchases will carry over and confirm that games are tied to accounts, I ll be a happy man Will online stores be region-free or just cartridges? The Nintendo Switch system is not region locked, but we recommend that players buy games within their region to ensure full service and support. The user will access the Nintendo eShop that corresponds to the country identified in their Nintendo Account. (Up to eight user accounts can be created on a single Nintendo Switch system.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33tmaniac Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 VR with this underpowered tablet? Not gonna happen. Called it during Wii U launch that it will bomb, getting same feeling for this too. The $300 console is already overpriced, and you need Pro controller for any serious gaming. So add $70 to that. Then add SD card price + charging dock for the joy cons and it costs $400. And you get no game with it. That's not a good pricing. I still don't understand why everyone takes it for granted that Ninty HAS to bundle a game with their console. I agree to all the screw ups regarding account management and sh*t, but expecting a console with relatively decent specs, a 720p screen and a set of new controllers (that can be used for 2 player gaming) to retail for cheaper than 300$ is not very reasonable. Not to mention the value add it provides as a portable console(which IMO is its biggest USP). To me the price point seems right. Besides, the joy-cons seem to translate well as a regular controller too. Don't understand why so much hate esp when it seems like Nintendo is trying to get its act right this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonCore Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Well the Switch does not exist in a vacuum, as much as Nintendo tries to tell people. When you have 299 to spend on a new console, you have 3 choices. And the other 2 are more powerful, have way larger library with guaranteed 3rd party support, and usually can be found cheaper than 299 with a game bundled. Unless you want a portable, then you can just buy a 3DS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banz Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 It does come with a screen so it will cost more than XBox which comes with slightly specs. Plus the XBox is already 3 years old and costs less to manufacture, not that Microsoft even care about losses they make with XBox. They could have bundled that 1-2 Switch game but that gives people the idea that this is only a Wii-like console for casual players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) ^what CC said. I was considering this but it adds up to 370$ minimum ( can't imagine playing with those pathetic joy cons), so I rather buy a PS4 Pro for 400$. Though here I haven't seen a single person playing games on handheld. Everyone plays on mobile. Transit time for me is 25 minutes though, not sure about longer train rides. Edited January 20, 2017 by Big Boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33tmaniac Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 ^what CC said. I was considering this but it adds up to 370$ minimum ( can't imagine playing with those pathetic joy cons), so I rather buy a PS4 Pro for 400$. Though here I haven't seen a single person playing games on handheld. Everyone plays on mobile. Transit time for me is 25 minutes though, not sure about longer train rides. To each his own. But the joy-cons when docked seem decent. To people like me who are staying away from home and are yet to settle down, things like the 3DS or Switch make a lot of sense. I don't have to deal with the hassle of moving monitor/console every time I move houses or between cities. I use my 3DS when I travel to my hometown and am stuck in the airport. Not for regular commutes. Its just way more convenient for me to have good games on a decent handheld than trying to play it on TV setup. And to this date, I still prefer Ninty first party games over a lot of games that are released on PS4 or Xbox(leaving aside a few PS4 exclusives like Uncharted/The Last of Us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 That last part is the main reason. You prefer Nintendo games. I don't prefer them enough to buy a console for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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