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7 hours ago, Joe Cool said:

Beyond the console: Xbox leaders detail Microsoft’s gaming future, led by xCloud streaming service

  • Microsoft aims to let people play its games not just on Xbox devices and Windows PCs, but also smartphones and tablets, and eventually, rival consoles... Microsoft laid out this strategy on a tour of its gaming facilities at its Redmond, Wash., home base this week. Executives steadily repeated a key number: 2 billion.
  • The shift in the gaming teams’ focus fits with Microsoft’s overall evolution. Under CEO Satya Nadella, Microsoft wants to bring its services and apps to as many people as possible, regardless of what devices they use. In some cases, this means working with competitors that make devices rivaling some of Microsoft’s own gadgets... "We want to bring Game Pass to any device that somebody wants to play on,” Spencer said. “Not just because it’s our business, but really because the business model allows for people to consume and find games that they wouldn’t have played in any other space.”
  • Executives brushed off concerns that its emphasis on bringing content to more devices would cannibalize console sales and hurt the company’s financial results. “That is not where you make money,” Spencer said of consoles. “The business inside of games is really selling games, and selling access to games and content in means like that is the fundamental business. So if you open it up, the more often people can play, the more they’re enjoying the art form. It increases the size of the business.”

 

I mean this has always made sense. You make more from the sale of 2-3 games than you do from the sale of a console. Hell probably the sale of 1 game rather than a console for the first 2 years in its lifecycle. So you are always looking to sell services rather than Hardware. 

 

Its just weird to see them do it lol. 

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12 hours ago, Playstationdude said:

This makes sense, but then why put millions of dollars into R&D for a new xbox? :mellow:

Because the hardcore will always buy on a console or PC and won't switch to a mobile or handheld device.

Now the mp needs to become free on consoles,they can't expect console gamers to continue paying while all other devices have free access. I can see it happening at e3 2020 and catching Sony off guard.

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48 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said:

Because the hardcore will always buy on a console or PC and won't switch to a mobile or handheld device.

Now the mp needs to become free on consoles,they can't expect console gamers to continue paying while all other devices have free access. I can see it happening at e3 2020 and catching Sony off guard.

But if you're releasing games on a rival platform, what incentive do i have to buy your console? 

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8 minutes ago, Playstationdude said:

But if you're releasing games on a rival platform, what incentive do i have to buy your console? 

Rival platform?? It's only switch as far as I know. Both Nintendo and Xbox cater to very different audience. Game pass on switch open up a millions of gamer for ms and helps switch get better online infrastructure and much needed 3rd party support through x cloud.

 

Sony and Xbox have the same audience and I don't think sony will ever allow it.

 

 

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MS doesn't sell consoles it sells a platform. Selling an xbox allows then complete control. By allowing their services on other platforms they are diluting their control. 

Hence I find it incredibly disingenuous to say that xbox hardware isn't a moneymaker. It allows them to earn money with very little marginal cost. It's really not as simple as people are making out to be. It could create higher profits or even lead to lower value created. To say that the move towards software only was obvious is taking a very simplistic view of the issue. 

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3 hours ago, Playstationdude said:

But if you're releasing games on a rival platform, what incentive do i have to buy your console? 

 

They dont care if you buy their console. Thats the point. For the first year or two they actually lose money on the consoles they sell. Or make little to nothing. The only reason they want to sell their consoles is so they can make money on the services (XBL Gold, Games sold, XBox gamepass, DLC etc) that were tied to that console.

 

So if they can figure out how to sell you those services (and it sounds like they have) they dont care if you buy the console or not. 

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On 3/3/2019 at 5:42 PM, Joe Cool said:

Beyond the console: Xbox leaders detail Microsoft’s gaming future, led by xCloud streaming service

  • Microsoft aims to let people play its games not just on Xbox devices and Windows PCs, but also smartphones and tablets, and eventually, rival consoles... Microsoft laid out this strategy on a tour of its gaming facilities at its Redmond, Wash., home base this week. Executives steadily repeated a key number: 2 billion.
  • The shift in the gaming teams’ focus fits with Microsoft’s overall evolution. Under CEO Satya Nadella, Microsoft wants to bring its services and apps to as many people as possible, regardless of what devices they use. In some cases, this means working with competitors that make devices rivaling some of Microsoft’s own gadgets... "We want to bring Game Pass to any device that somebody wants to play on,” Spencer said. “Not just because it’s our business, but really because the business model allows for people to consume and find games that they wouldn’t have played in any other space.”
  • Executives brushed off concerns that its emphasis on bringing content to more devices would cannibalize console sales and hurt the company’s financial results. “That is not where you make money,” Spencer said of consoles. “The business inside of games is really selling games, and selling access to games and content in means like that is the fundamental business. So if you open it up, the more often people can play, the more they’re enjoying the art form. It increases the size of the business.”

If they continue with  this gaming everywhere BS then i just stick with PS . They care about their hardcore and they care about exclusives which u can play on ps only.

 

 

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6 hours ago, WhiteWolf said:

They care about their hardcore and they care about exclusives which u can play on ps only.

 

PS Now is already getting better and you can play on PC. Eventually, they will make it like Game Pass. 

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1 hour ago, Joe Cool said:

 

PS Now is already getting better and you can play on PC. Eventually, they will make it like Game Pass. 

New games aren't available there and I doubt they will. 

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Just now, adity said:

New games aren't available there and I doubt they will. 

 

No reason for them to make it available at the moment. They have no competition from Xbox. 

 

If Game Pass becomes bigger & better with more 1st & 3rd titles at launch, PS Now will add it too. MS has lost the console exclusive race at the moment but they can still get an upper hand with Game Pass and eventually get their hardware numbers up. 

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1 hour ago, adity said:

New games aren't available there and I doubt they will. 

 

They won't unless its a Gass title that depends upon increasing install base than selling copies upfront. No one's going to give you a sprawling 100 million dollar AAA single player only game for $10 day one.

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2 minutes ago, CarbonCore said:

 

They won't unless its a Gass title that depends upon increasing install base than selling copies upfront. No one's going to give you a sprawling 100 million dollar AAA single player only game for $10 day one.

 

Imagine Cyberpunk 2077 at launch as a Gamepass title that work on Xbox and Windows (and maybe even Switch and PS by the time the game comes out). Poor CDPR will be out of business because no one wants to actually buy the game, and everyone just wants to rent it.

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1 hour ago, CarbonCore said:

 

They won't unless its a Gass title that depends upon increasing install base than selling copies upfront. No one's going to give you a sprawling 100 million dollar AAA single player only game for $10 day one.

Exactly what I'm saying. The idea should be promote the platform through the services. Making games available everywhere will dilute it. Just look at how much money Sony makes from Psn. 

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1 hour ago, roun90 said:

Imagine Cyberpunk 2077 at launch as a Gamepass title that work on Xbox and Windows (and maybe even Switch and PS by the time the game comes out).

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MS pays the publisher beforehand / make deals to put their game on Game Pass. The price is $10 now. They can very well add premium Game Pass Gold down the line and throw in X hours for the standard sub on new games. Origin Access is already doing great at $100/year. They got Darksiders III after a week from launch. Something similar on a larger scale and $$$ is possible from MS. 

 

Current Game Pass: $10

Launch titles - 5-10 hours playtime + old catalogue

10% discount upon purchase

XY features 

 

Game Pass Gold: $30 to $50/mo (PS Now charges $20 month already)

Launch titles - no limit

10% discount upon purchase and in-game MTX

XYZ features (throw in gold/free MP/etc)

 

1 hour ago, roun90 said:

Poor CDPR will be out of business because no one wants to actually buy the game, and everyone just wants to rent it.

 

CDPR will be out of business if they don't release a bigger solid game. Their game budget is massive and works on a high-risk high-reward strategy. If MS pays them $100m or whatever the budget of the game was + incentive/deals to put their game would benefit them more. Witcher 3 - 6m+ sales, 6 weeks. $60m+ net profit. 10m+ sales during the 1st year. $100m+ net profit? Nothing stops MS to pay them that to bring their game on their service. Recurring subs bring in a lot even at $10/mo and not forgetting the sales after Game Pass and season pass which are super common now. 

 

Game Pass games are also available in other stores. So users can always buy the game/physical copy/limited editions as usual. 

 

12 minutes ago, adity said:

Exactly what I'm saying. The idea should be promote the platform through the services. Making games available everywhere will dilute it.

 

The idea is to bring service everywhere and make gaming available on all platforms breaking the exclusivity. MS has the funds and marketing. Take the usual big but not so big publishers. Square-Enix/Ubisoft/Bethesda/Bandai, etc. They all release more than a game yearly and still unable to keep up (unhappy) with their sales record/enough profit and put their games on sale often. Siding with Game Pass doesn't reduce their sales profit when MS pays them beforehand. This way publishers get enough before the game is even launched (flop or not, doesn't matter to them) while MS takes risks to bring it to their service and open it for all. 

 

SONY has no reason at the moment to bring new PS4 games to PS Now because their console is a massive hit and sells and has 0 threat/competition from MS. It can all change in future if MS manages to get major publishers to put their games on Game Pass at launch, eventually selling their hardware. It can also be their selling point as we are heading to fewer keywords now. Back then 4K was (forced) selling point and now it's common. 

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