AnK Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: Next time just click on the tweet once . you can defend as much as you want ,but the tweet is absolutely right in protesting against such greedy practices. No sh*t Sherlock ?️♂️ obviously I was talking about his original tweet & not subsequent replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, dylanjosh said: I don't know how selling your old game and buying a new game counts as an upgrade path. Thats exactly what you have to do if there's no upgrade path. For instance, if you just bought the game disc and haven't played it yet. It's better to get the ps5 version directly. Not an official upgrade path, just a method that is widely used. Can't do this if you own stuff digitally. I'm assuming they'll include the dlc on the disc and not supply it as a code. If everything is on the disc, the directors edition would definitely have a good resale value. In that case it would be better to get the physical ps5 version directly than going for the digital PS4 upgrade route. Edited July 2, 2021 by radicaldude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Snake said: Let's not be a backseat mod and dictate what the mods should do. Some people feel and think they are entitled and the world moves as per their whims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted July 2, 2021 Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, radicaldude said: Some people feel and think they are entitled and the world moves as per their whims. He says it's a joke, let's not take it further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SaiKO Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Implementation of RT, new "dual sense" features will cost "some" money, sure. But that's applicable to all the companies which are giving upgrade to the gamers free of cost for other games. The paid DLC is understandable, but why locking away some nextgen features behind the DLC? I own a ps5, and what if I don't wanna pay for DLC, but would fancy the graphical and Hardware features that are available for my new console? You know what? I think I'm used to free upgrades because I'm a PC gamers as well. I don't pay for online features, multiplayer of a game, I don't pay for graphical upgrade patches. These were NEVER a paid things to begin with! For consoles, you are soooo used to paying stuffs over and over again that you can't even see the problems here. In previous gen (PS3 era), you didn't have backward compatibility, so you paid for 'new version' compatible with your new hardware in a new architecture at that time (PS4 era). Now you have BC as consoles are basically becoming like PC, so what happened to previous gen isn't gonna be applicable now. Edited July 4, 2021 by SaiKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Yes Sony should have given the upgrade for free like FF7 But Square Enix just outright delayed the DLC on PS4 instead what they should have done instead was charge $30 for DLC on PS5 & $20 for DLC on PS4 (if at all they wanted a premium) But anyway games like Control & DMC 5 didn’t even give an upgrade option & made ppl “pay for the same game all over again” like what the misleading tweet said a few pages back Publishers who think they can earn more money will always try to others will show generosity to earn goodwill for next project Edited July 4, 2021 by AnK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, AnK said: Yes Sony should have given the upgrade for free like FF7 But Square Enix just outright delayed the DLC on PS4 instead what they should have done instead was charge $30 for DLC on PS5 & $20 for DLC on PS4 (if at all they wanted a premium) But anyway games like Control & DMC 5 didn’t even give an upgrade option & made ppl “pay for the same game all over again” like what the misleading tweet said a few pages back Publishers who think they can earn more money will always try to others will show generosity to earn goodwill for next project But GoT Ps5 performance upgrade patch has already been given for free, which runs via bc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roun90 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, SaiKO said: Implementation of RT, new "dual sense" features will cost "some" money, sure. But that's applicable to all the companies which are giving upgrade to the gamers free of cost for other games. The paid DLC is understandable, but why locking away some nextgen features behind the DLC? I own a ps5, and what if I don't wanna pay for DLC, but would fancy the graphical and Hardware features that are available for my new console? You know what? I think I'm used to free upgrades because I'm a PC gamers as well. I don't pay for online features, multiplayer of a game, I don't pay for graphical upgrade patches. These were NEVER a paid things to begin with! For consoles, you are soooo used to paying stuffs over and over again that you can't even see the problems here. In previous gen (PS3 era), you didn't have backward compatibility, so you paid for 'new version' compatible with your new hardware in a new architecture at that time (PS4 era). Now you have BC as consoles are basically becoming like PC, so what happened to previous gen isn't gonna be applicable now. Don't worry. Lot of people do see a problem here. IMO the companies are just testing the waters now. If these "Director's Cuts" don't sell well (or hopefully at all), you can be reasonably certain that they will come "free" soon enough. It's why you have some publishers giving free upgrades and some (ex. Sony, Remedy etc.) trying for paid upgrades. As far as "Paid Online Features" are concerned - the blame completely goes to MS and their shills from the 360 era. Fanboys/Fangirls of that plastic dabba created such a beautiful narrative that "Only paid MP is true MP" and "Free MP is a Crime" that MS Marketing Team itself did not have to do much and could have just taken a vacation. They made it industry standard and it's a reason I don't like MS much till now. They even forced Nintendo to follow suit, and Nintendo is one of the most "Old Time Mentality" and "Averse to Change" gaming companies around. 26 minutes ago, AnK said: Yes Sony should have given the upgrade for free like FF7 But Square Enix just outright delayed the DLC on PS4 instead what they should have done instead was charge $30 for DLC on PS5 & $20 for DLC on PS4 (if at all they wanted a premium) But anyway games like Control & DMC 5 didn’t even give an upgrade option & made ppl “pay for the same game all over again” like what the misleading tweet said a few pages back Publishers who think they can earn more money will always try to others will show generosity to earn goodwill for next project FF7 Remake PS5 Patch was an absolute blast. I had not yet completed the game, and waited for the patch to drop to finish it. No Haptic Support, but the uber smooth frame rate and loading times justified the title of "Next Gen Patch" and was more than enough. Remedy, I could forgive a bit though, since they did give out Control UE for free on PS+. DMC 5 though, I might have to disagree. The entire game is a new DLC by itself. Adding new characters, with new movesets to play as in that game - makes it a new game by itself. That's how DMC fans see it. It's a game tailored to combat, and adding completely new combat and modes makes it a new game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roun90 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, iam said: The DMC 5 additional content is available as a DLC to last gen players, at least it will be at some point. So no, it's not a new game. I don't think so. This is not the first time a DMC SE has come. DMC 4 also had an SE version on the PS4 (at the start of the PS4 gen). The base DMC 4 game never got the the new content as DLC. Also, I'm not really sure how these can even be made as DLC. Unlike traditional DLC, it's not just new content in an isolated new area. There are changes to the game from start to finish. Also, this is like a fighting game. Characters and moves, define the game - not the graphics or the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 But what he is saying is right PS4 version is being upgraded with the character & features you mentioned for a nominal price while if you want PS5 version you have to shell out full price all over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiKO Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 Companies do these kindda stuffs because fanbase allows this! like you can see how many sony fanboys defending these practices everywhere. And mainstream game media is not helping at all, instead they are boosting how amazing 60fps or RT is on ‘remastered’ version of the game on new consoles. Thus, influencing console gamers to get the game again. As an example, Control (not ultimate) on PC has RT from day one, if you have the base game and dlcs (entire season pass)of the game on PC, you basically have the ultimate edition from the start. Where on console, you still have 2 separate versions. Which is unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, SaiKO said: As an example, Control (not ultimate) on PC has RT from day one, if you have the base game and dlcs (entire season pass)of the game on PC, you basically have the ultimate edition from the start. Where on console, you still have 2 separate versions. Which is unfair. This is entirely different debate PC as an open platform with no traditional GDK & separate feature sets was always bound to benefit from upgrades be it from developers or mod community But yes you are right Fanboys shouldn’t defend this on consoles now when the gap between architectures of consoles is somewhat closing in like traditional PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, SaiKO said: Companies do these kindda stuffs because fanbase allows this! like you can see how many sony fanboys defending these practices everywhere. And mainstream game media is not helping at all, instead they are boosting how amazing 60fps or RT is on ‘remastered’ version of the game on new consoles. Thus, influencing console gamers to get the game again. As an example, Control (not ultimate) on PC has RT from day one, if you have the base game and dlcs (entire season pass)of the game on PC, you basically have the ultimate edition from the start. Where on console, you still have 2 separate versions. Which is unfair. Upgrade Patch has already been released for GoT for free which runs via bc. I think it's better to directly go for the physical version of this director's cut if you are interested, else it'll always feel like a rip off if you go via the digital upgrade route (Ps4- ps5 upgrades after paying). If the dlc is on the disc, it'll have a resale value as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, radicaldude said: But GoT Ps5 performance upgrade patch has already been given for free, which runs via bc. But that's an incomplete patch since new DS features etc were not adapted, and hence if you're on PS5, you don't get *proper* PS5 experience without paying extra money. So even with a PS5 (non DC), there are 2 versions now - just based on unpaid/paid patch. Nuts ! Edited July 4, 2021 by Bird Bird Bird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Bird Bird Bird said: But that's an incomplete patch since new DS features etc were not adapted, and hence if you're on PS5, you don't get *proper* PS5 experience without paying extra money. So even with a PS5 (non DC), there are 2 versions now - just based on unpaid/paid patch. Nuts ! Yes agreed. But the game with the patch looks great anyways. As I have said, it purely depends on the player if he/she is interested in the paid upgrades in the first place. Ps- even Nintendo engages in such behavior. Skyward sword, though highly anticipated, is essentially a hd remaster of the wii u title with controller upgrades and they will charge $60 for it. On top of that they plan to paywall quick traversal behind an amiibo. I guess it depends on a developer. Not everyone follows one model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, radicaldude said: Yes agreed. But the game with the patch looks great anyways. As I have said, it purely depends on the player if he/she is interested in the paid upgrades in the first place. Ps- even Nintendo engages in such behavior. Skyward sword, though highly anticipated, is essentially a hd remaster of the wii u title with controller upgrades and they will charge $60 for it. On top of that they plan to paywall quick traversal behind an amiibo. I guess it depends on a developer. Not everyone follows one model. Nintendo is notorious for it, but Nintendo does ample first party releases also to showcase what the console can do. And their IPs can sell the same game in 4 generations without battling an eyelid. That's the power of Nintendo. But they have also opened up their golden era games for a very small yearly price to anyone interested (NES/SNES via NSO). They are 2 very different companies tbh, and cannot be compared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_Hunt Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, roun90 said: I don't think so. This is not the first time a DMC SE has come. DMC 4 also had an SE version on the PS4 (at the start of the PS4 gen). The base DMC 4 game never got the the new content as DLC. Also, I'm not really sure how these can even be made as DLC. Unlike traditional DLC, it's not just new content in an isolated new area. There are changes to the game from start to finish. Also, this is like a fighting game. Characters and moves, define the game - not the graphics or the story. That's because the original base game was released in 2008 while the special edition was in 2015. That doesn't constitute to a brand new game, but improvements & additions to an already existing game while crossing it over to a newer generation platform. A new game would have been, say, if they made a dedicated game around Vergil or Trish or Lady. It's an action game and unlike a proper fighting games like Mortal Kombat, Injustice, Street Fighter or Tekken titles, there is a story driving the gameplay forward for DMC games. These (DMC) games don't rely on their expansive roster of characters. Even before the special edition was released the 2 primary characters were enough to carry the success along for DMC4. Capcom knew how to capitalize on the console market when there was no backward compatibility and this "free upgrade" path. The divide with the audience would now be created because they would want their visuals & performance enhancement to be a part of a regular free upgrade path, which many smaller developers (and even AAA developers) have provided since the release of these new consoles. This was a standard feature with PC when you'd revise your hardware and the game already had the capability of higher frame rates and visual quality provided your hardware supported it. Consoles seem to be catching up now. Personally, I wouldn't bother with this "Director's Cut" of Ghost of Tsushima. I just got the base game and since it already has a 60fps unlocked mode via BC, I am least bit interested in the haptic feedback and JP voice bullsh*t offered by this new release. The actual story DLC itself being charged is not a problem. Also I'm with Saiko on this statement he made: "Implementation of RT, new "dual sense" features will cost "some" money, sure. But that's applicable to all the companies which are giving upgrade to the gamers free of cost for other games. The paid DLC is understandable, but why locking away some nextgen features behind the DLC? I own a ps5, and what if I don't wanna pay for DLC, but would fancy the graphical and Hardware features that are available for my new console?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazard12345 Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 can't see the base game on the store anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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