Guest Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, radicaldude said: Compare this to delays announced by other studios. Yeah, pathetic from SONY when they delayed HZD and GoW. Should have cried and uploaded the video. But I guess this only applies to MS/Xbox with Halo. ? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiKO Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Fun fact, Pc games are digital only from year 2004. Everyone gotta download games from clients such as steam, blizzard, uplay, ea origins… basically every launcher. None of them went out afaik, and never will in near future unless some global catastrophe happens. Nobody complains about ‘preservation’ there. Because discs do get bad over long time. Digital games on servers wont. Digital games are BETTER in preservation. If physical games are better at preservation then my copy of No One Lives Forever 1/2, Enter the Matrix, prince of persia 3d, max payne, Soldiers of Fortune 2: Double Helix would work. They don’t anymore. And only max payne is available on digital platform, rest of the games are not. On the other hand, HL2 still works, you know why? Because it’s not on disc. It’s on my Steam account. And will be there in my entire life. Be it M$ or be it P$. Physical copies are never for preservation. Digitals are. Game pass is preservation. Ps digital is preservation(unless Sony suddenly decides to stop backward compatibility in future). just my thoughts. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, SaiKO said: Nobody complains about ‘preservation’ there. Because discs do get bad over long time. Digital games on servers wont. Digital games are BETTER in preservation. If physical games are better at preservation then my copy of No One Lives Forever 1/2, Enter the Matrix, prince of persia 3d, max payne, Soldiers of Fortune 2: Double Helix would work. They don’t anymore. And only max payne is available on digital platform, rest of the games are not. On the other hand, HL2 still works, you know why? Because it’s not on disc. It’s on my Steam account. And will be there in my entire life. It's not about digital download but about drm which a particular system implements (and certain launchers of the pc ecosystem dont - gog, steam and the likes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiKO Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, radicaldude said: It's not about digital download but about drm which a particular system implements (and certain launchers of the pc ecosystem dont - gog, steam and the likes) Steam itself is a DRM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, SaiKO said: Steam itself is a DRM. You can't be more far (away) from the truth. This exactly is the issue with xbox physical discs (and not digital downloads) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, SaiKO said: Nobody complains about ‘preservation’ there. Nobody does it now either. But hey got to tweet/write anything MS does. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiKO Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Every launcher on PC itself are DRMs. Except GOG. Please google. Don’t twitter. Goggle and get your fact straight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiKO Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Joe Cool said: Nobody does it now either. But hey got to tweet/write anything MS does. ? Yeah. So much so, it’s sad to see actually. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Every launcher on PC itself are DRMs. Except GOG. Please google. Don’t twitter. Goggle and get your fact straight. Kindly don't spread misinformation. There are a host of games on steam that are DRM free. https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam Heck even psychonauts 1 on steam is drm free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Spencer's misinformation campaign has spread its roots everywhere! Shocking!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, SaiKO said: Yeah. So much so, it’s sad to see actually. ? It really is. Also did you know Steam had around 100-1000 DRM free games out of ~60K+ games on store. ? Guess Steam is not a DRM then because of those games. ? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaiKO Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, radicaldude said: Kindly don't spread misinformation. There are a host of games on steam that are DRM free. https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam Heck even psychonauts 1 on steam is drm free. ok try running the steam versions of these games without steam. Install psychonaut, dont run it yet(dont let it authenticate). Uninstall steam. Try to play psychonaut after that. Edited November 6, 2021 by SaiKO 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Joe Cool said: It really is. Also did you know Steam had around 100-1000 DRM free games out of ~60K+ games on store. ? Guess Steam is not a DRM then because of those games. ? Cant say that about series x sadly as drm has been built into the console. https://gamerant.com/xbox-series-x-drm-makes-certain-games-completely-unplayable-offline/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, SaiKO said: ok try running the steam versions of these games without steam. Install psychonaut, dont run it yet(dont let it authenticate). Uninstall steam. Try to play psychonaut after that. It runs. It is also available on gog (drm free) Anyways, even if you consider steam as drm, pc still has gog that's completely drm free. What does xbox have? They have allowed drm into their latest systems via a back door. Game preservation and drm just can't exist in a single sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Forza Horizon 5 already has nearly 1 million players before its official release. The game already grossed between $36 million and $79 million before its general release next week. Wonder how many of them are/were worried about the preservation of the game. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 He has already made up his mind ,he is not going to listen now . All this happens every single day ,dont waste your time on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 What relationship does number of players playing a game have with DRM? Spencer harped a lot about preservation while pulling the plug on his own title (forza motorsport) and including DRM into his system. This precisely is what is being pointed out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpigeon Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, radicaldude said: What relationship does number of players playing a game have with DRM? Spencer harped a lot about preservation while pulling the plug on his own title (forza motorsport) and including DRM into his system. This precisely is what is being pointed out here. lol FM went down because of licenses running out, very common thing to happen, not their fault just stop man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, fatpigeon said: lol FM went down because of licenses running out, very common thing to happen, not their fault just stop man Fm had licensing issues, GT sport doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpigeon Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, radicaldude said: Fm had licensing issues, GT sport doesn't? only typing no research, twitter se bahaar niklo darling GT 5 and GT 6 both have undergone End of Service phases and are delisted from sale, GT Sport is their "Current" game so they wont be shutting it down for now. nice debate tho, seedha resorting to whataboutery 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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