Kazarka Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, triggr happy ss said: Cod was never going to be exclusive ,it never made sense removing from PS . Adding to switch will add to more sales. EU and CMA saw through that and hence removed the console theory of harm. FTC did jack sh*t in getting those 10 year agreements. Ms was always going to treat it as minecraft . Jim ryan admitted that cod was going to stay on PS for as long as there is a cod but ponies here still cant use their brains for once. i would be be bashing the FTC and sony if i were them ,instead of cod they should have concentrated on the on the entire catalogue of ABK games and made sure they remained multiplat. COD mobile makes more money than cod on pc,ps and xbox combined. Not even counting king etc. It was always more of a play for mobile. FTC is done. CMA is the main problem, what kind agreement MS and CMA reached is still unknown. Will they close without CMA approval and pay CMA massive fine or end up with some kind of agreement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 4 minutes ago, Kazarka said: Well, i was talking about budget reduction. FTC budget was reduced and multiple senators called her out over misuse/waste of Government funds FTC lost around 6 cases in succession. They got bad expensive lawyers, it seems like. They were asking for it, its on a crusade against trillion dollar companies without basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 3 minutes ago, Kazarka said: FTC is done. CMA is the main problem, what kind agreement MS and CMA reached is still unknown. Will they close without CMA approval and pay CMA massive fine or end up with some kind of agreement? We will know by monday -tuesday , since ms has also stalled the CAT proceeding . The deal is definitely going through now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 16 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: Cod was never going to be exclusive ,it never made sense removing from PS . Adding to switch will add to more sales. EU and CMA saw through that and hence removed the console theory of harm. FTC did jack sh*t in getting those 10 year agreements. Ms was always going to treat it as minecraft . Jim ryan admitted that cod was going to stay on PS for as long as there is a cod but ponies here still cant use their brains for once. i would be be bashing the FTC and sony if i were them ,instead of cod they should have concentrated on the on the entire catalogue of ABK games and made sure they remained multiplat. COD mobile makes more money than cod on pc,ps and xbox combined. Not even counting king etc. It was always more of a play for mobile. Source? Also, surprised to see that userbase of COD on PC is more than consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 20 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: FTC did jack sh*t in getting those 10 year agreements. Lmao ok So why didn’t M$ offer Sony a 10-15 year commitment to begin with?!? Why was it “just 3 more years” of written commitment & no sign or even mention of Nintendo anywhere!! Take the & contemplate facts for what they are!! Even EU played a crucial role in free streaming licences & CMA might just dig another hole. Basically M$ has become a third party when it comes to COD for foreseeable future. & with Diablo & Overwatch already come & gone this deal doesn’t even effect Playstation content wise maybe until Playstation 7,if such a thing will exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven Angel Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 13 hours ago, triggr happy ss said: Gaas will be the downfall of sony ,success rates for such games is too less. That's right, Jim is not thinking from a gamers perspective like it's predecessors and it will bite back. If he thinks gamers are dumb kids then he might need to think again, can't say about ponies otherwise. 13 hours ago, triggr happy ss said: they need games to be multi-platform with simultaneous day 1 releases to give it a chance. Multiplatform or no, the market is so so cramped up and multiplayer/GaaS games are out of ideas. BR was the only groundbreaking genre and now look how many games are like it. It's still coming and going on steam and even PSN/XBL F2P without any trace. 13 hours ago, AnK said: With budgets going higher & higher & them having to release games 1 year post launch on $60 subscriptions to compete with $trillion companies,yeah right easier said than done. Can you really blame them?!? 10 years of free space to grow & prime spot on the marketing budget even more than first parties & it no longer is the partner it so far was!! This isn’t really business as usual when your main competitor is willing to “Spend you away out of business” with even more to spend than your entire market cap. They need an internal COD asap if they want to sustain & keep giving you GoW’s & TLOU’s & even other partnerships like FF16. End of the day it is what it is & future will take a different shape entirely. With big budgets, Sony was the first one to increase a whooping 10$ price on AAA titles and other companies followed. Consumers are paying it for the so called 'higher budgets' .. There's evidence that UE5 engine cut down backbreaking work of the developers, that alone shortens so many budget and time in many development criteria which used to be paid before. With time tech also upgrades. That's why I said Jim is nervous and panicking about the market takeover by the quote “Spend you away out of business”. Even with GP giving fantastic value people are still preferring PS5 over XSX/S Sony has created a solid base for Playstation on their previous work on Singleplayer titles. PS is known to that. Building 10+ GaaS titles and putting their best devs on it just to compete COD is way over. Spending millions on RND for GaaS seems very desperate. Even big names have failed for going GaaS, this is not a good sign for PS. Jim just want more mint out of an established name, look how Destiny 2 changed the silver currency that affects the season loot after Sony took over Bungie. I've posted it on D2 thread. Look how FairGame$ is getting so much appraisal. COD is not going anywhere, Jim is just being an arrogant a*s not to sign the agreement. I hope Sony soon replace him for someone better like it's predecessors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer_adi Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 M$ can also bypass UK market completely, and do a workaround to release future acti games there. The deal is done. M$ now most valuable third party for sony, that's hilarious sh*t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 14 minutes ago, Heaven Angel said: That's right, Jim is not thinking from a gamers perspective like it's predecessors and it will bite back. If he thinks gamers are dumb kids then he might need to think again, can't say about ponies otherwise. Multiplatform or no, the market is so so cramped up and multiplayer/GaaS games are out of ideas. BR was the only groundbreaking genre and now look how many games are like it. It's still coming and going on steam and even PSN/XBL F2P without any trace. With big budgets, Sony was the first one to increase a whooping 10$ price on AAA titles and other companies followed. Consumers are paying it for the so called 'higher budgets' .. There's evidence that UE5 engine cut down backbreaking work of the developers, that alone shortens so many budget and time in many development criteria which used to be paid before. With time tech also upgrades. That's why I said Jim is nervous and panicking about the market takeover by the quote “Spend you away out of business”. Even with GP giving fantastic value people are still preferring PS5 over XSX/S Sony has created a solid base for Playstation on their previous work on Singleplayer titles. PS is known to that. Building 10+ GaaS titles and putting their best devs on it just to compete COD is way over. Spending millions on RND for GaaS seems very desperate. Even big names have failed for going GaaS, this is not a good sign for PS. Jim just want more mint out of an established name, look how Destiny 2 changed the silver currency that affects the season loot after Sony took over Bungie. I've posted it on D2 thread. Look how FairGame$ is getting so much appraisal. COD is not going anywhere, Jim is just being an arrogant a*s not to sign the agreement. I hope Sony soon replace him for someone better like it's predecessors. TLDR will read in a while. Basically even I’m not a too big fan of Service games & wasted a lot of my time on Destiny on PS4 missing a lot of other great games. But I also won’t blame Sony for trying to survive anyway they can if something clicks. Selling their hardware only on the bases of AAA high budget games is a far fetched idea….they always needed COD,GTAO,FF14,Genshin Impact & Fortnight kinda games. & with current market consolidation you never know who might buy whom & completely block what. They need to have first party service based options. Also 12-15 years down the line I don’t even see casual hardware a thing anymore. It will be either the hardcore PC setups or streaming based platforms for the core gamers. Sony & Nintendo don’t hold a candle in cloud space in comparison to Amazon,Google,M$ or even Nvidia. Most likely than not Playstation & Nintendo will be third party to these platforms like Sega is to them now. Playstation can continue working on class apart AAA blockbusters for PC & these platforms. But we are talking about a time Far-Far away & only patient xtwits can wait endlessly to see things happening this far away,as they already have since 2000 & birth of Xbox Arrey bhai 50 saal ki Umar mai jaake khushi manane ka nazaria alag he hoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Heaven Angel said: That's right, Jim is not thinking from a gamers perspective like it's predecessors and it will bite back. If he thinks gamers are dumb kids then he might need to think again, can't say about ponies otherwise. Multiplatform or no, the market is so so cramped up and multiplayer/GaaS games are out of ideas. BR was the only groundbreaking genre and now look how many games are like it. It's still coming and going on steam and even PSN/XBL F2P without any trace. With big budgets, Sony was the first one to increase a whooping 10$ price on AAA titles and other companies followed. Consumers are paying it for the so called 'higher budgets' .. There's evidence that UE5 engine cut down backbreaking work of the developers, that alone shortens so many budget and time in many development criteria which used to be paid before. With time tech also upgrades. That's why I said Jim is nervous and panicking about the market takeover by the quote “Spend you away out of business”. Even with GP giving fantastic value people are still preferring PS5 over XSX/S Sony has created a solid base for Playstation on their previous work on Singleplayer titles. PS is known to that. Building 10+ GaaS titles and putting their best devs on it just to compete COD is way over. Spending millions on RND for GaaS seems very desperate. Even big names have failed for going GaaS, this is not a good sign for PS. Jim just want more mint out of an established name, look how Destiny 2 changed the silver currency that affects the season loot after Sony took over Bungie. I've posted it on D2 thread. Look how FairGame$ is getting so much appraisal. COD is not going anywhere, Jim is just being an arrogant a*s not to sign the agreement. I hope Sony soon replace him for someone better like it's predecessors. Nintendo is printing money with GAAS titles. MS would be doing the same if they took Halo-Gears seriously. Apparently, only Forza Horizon is worth keeping player base happy now. There are a lot of ways to make enjoyable, long lasting titles, provided they do it right. And not release something in same state as Redfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, AnK said: Lmao ok So why didn’t M$ offer Sony a 10-15 year commitment to begin with?!? Why was it “just 3 more years” of written commitment & no sign or even mention of Nintendo anywhere!! Take the & contemplate facts for what they are!! Even EU played a crucial role in free streaming licences & CMA might just dig another hole. Basically M$ has become a third party when it comes to COD for foreseeable future. & with Diablo & Overwatch already come & gone this deal doesn’t even effect Playstation content wise maybe until Playstation 7,if such a thing will exist Because 3- 5 years is a standard ,gaming is a very dynamic market and in general 10 year agreements are unheard of no matter what industry it is. 3 years agreement and then you keep extending. In before you next stupid reply that after 3 years MS would have told sony to f**k off and killed its reputation in the industry and taken all the hate from the most vocal fanbase us gamers. I am sorry but COD was going to be treated like minecraft always otherwise FTC would have found something substantial from the 2 million documents MS has given them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, AnK said: Even EU played a crucial role in free streaming licences & CMA might just dig another hole. Basically M$ has become a third party when it comes to COD for foreseeable future. & with Diablo & Overwatch already come & gone this deal doesn’t even effect Playstation content wise maybe until Playstation 7,if such a thing will exist Finally you got it 😂 Saare duniya yehi samjah rehe thi tujhe and FTC ko 😂 but you were busy saying how this merger would end up destroying Sony 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 (edited) If 3 year is a standard then why did Activision sign a 10 year deal with Playstation prior to this & a 7-8 year deal with Xbox prior to that!! Abbeey yaaaar……kya banda hai tu M$ could have signed a deal right away when Sony said 3 is not enough & they would oppose! But they didn’t unless FTC stepped in. & now infact they are under legal oath for as long as COD exists. You want me to fetch a post of yours saying that M$ doesn’t need to release COD on Playstation if they don’t want to?!? You know I can Kya palti maar ke ulta hota hai tu Edited July 16 by AnK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 Anal lyst went from - the deal will ruin gaming, destroy Nintendo, Sony and gaming to deal is nothing of consequence within a few pages on IVG 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, AnK said: this deal doesn’t even effect Playstation content wise maybe until Playstation 7,if such a thing will exist Only & Only wrt content available today on Playstation. Hard to comprehend?!? Otherwise it’s a blasphemous consolidation & only bad for future. Like distant future!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggr happy ss Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 30 minutes ago, AnK said: If 3 year is a standard then why did Activision sign a 10 year deal with Playstation prior to this & a 7-8 year deal with Xbox prior to that!! Abbeey yaaaar……kya banda hai tu M$ could have signed a deal right away when Sony said 3 is not enough & they would oppose! But they didn’t unless FTC stepped in. & now infact they are under legal oath for as long as COD exists. You want me to fetch a post of yours saying that M$ doesn’t need to release COD on Playstation if they don’t want to?!? You know I can Kya palti maar ke ulta hota hai tu No activision didnt sign a 10 year deal prior to this ,the deal with sony was renegotiated in 2018-19. Like i said 3-5 years is common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 (edited) 31 minutes ago, triggr happy ss said: No activision didnt sign a 10 year deal prior to this ,the deal with sony was renegotiated in 2018-19. Like i said 3-5 years is common. No one knows what the exact deal was. We just know that it lasted exact 10 years. M$ shouldn’t have had a problem signing the exact number on first go. But they only did after regulatory intervention around the west. The very fact that the plan is to “Spend Sony out of business” as proven in open court should make it clear that they don’t care about revenue,market or fanbase loss. Comparing Minecraft (a primarily mobile game) to COD is in itself foolish. Even if Minecraft vanished from Playstation no one would have bought an XBox or PC instead. But COD,ES,FO,Doom these are core hardware games that would require a home console or PC. This all ain’t no rocket science & now that the case is done & dusted it’s about time shills should also take off their masks aswell!! Edited July 16 by AnK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 3 hours ago, Vaibhavp said: Nobody disputes my posts when I post them. That makes them bona fide facts. Don't think so highly of yourself, that's because nobody gives a rats a*s about your opinion 😂 In every PS Exclusive game thread, most of us expect you to make a feeble attempt at sh*tting on it sooner or later. Take FF16 thread recently, even Xbox fans have asked you to sh*t the f**k up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 18 minutes ago, AnK said: Comparing Minecraft (a primarily mobile game) to COD is in itself foolish. Even if Minecraft vanished from Playstation no one would have bought an XBox or PC instead. I don't understand this. Minecraft is cultural phenomenon. Kids talk about it in schools, friends get together to play it with each other. Taking it away from a platform means kids will not get that system or talk about it. That's a huge demographic. Countries where consoles sell a lot, do this with help of games like Minecraft and of course COD. 15 minutes ago, gecko89 said: Don't think so highly of yourself, that's because nobody gives a rats a*s about your opinion 😂 In every PS Exclusive game thread, most of us expect you to make a feeble attempt at sh*tting on it sooner or later. Take FF16 thread recently, even Xbox fans have asked you to sh*t the f**k up. Am mostly discussing those games. Discussing strengths and weaknesses of a game is considered sh*tting on it? Way better than getting overhyped for something, then after 6 months accepting it wasn't that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gecko89 Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 54 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: Am mostly discussing those games. Discussing strengths and weaknesses of a game is considered sh*tting on it? Way better than getting overhyped for something, then after 6 months accepting it wasn't that good. Strengths and weaknesses?! Na, it's quite evident it bothers you that people love something you have no access to. You have so much problem with others enjoying games you can't play that you find some vague stupid article from some corner of the net and say... 'look look guys, this guy says game is bad...' All the while you pretend a low tier studio like Arcane is 'legendary'. Like I said, when Xbox fans tell an xthot like you to shut the f**k up, it's evident your opinion is worthless. Kapish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purana Khiladi Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 2 hours ago, hsk_colossus said: Anal lyst went from - the deal will ruin gaming, destroy Nintendo, Sony and gaming to deal is nothing of consequence within a few pages on IVG 😂 Deal will ruin gaming industry for sure. Never they will sanction 200 mil Single Player game to be on a Sub. Everything will be dumbed down. However this deal may backfire as well if the subs dont increase n whole GP is a failure in 10 years. Sony already has a sub with juggernaut exclusives n MS too now with COD in the bag. Quality will win in the end. If Starfield doesnt perform well then its troubling times for MS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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