PlayStation vs Xbox vs Nintendo thread

[AnK]

1 minute ago, b!T said:

 

Ah, such a heartbreak. Vita is a beautiful console. If only it had got better support.

It was bad timing I guess 

also maybe the architecture wasn’t too friendly on the devs like switch 

 

No one could have imagined PS360 games running on Vita in whatever form 

[radicaldude]

6 minutes ago, b!T said:

 

Ah, such a heartbreak. Vita is a beautiful console. If only it had got better support.

 

 

The system is not dead. Games are still getting launched. 

[radicaldude]

5 minutes ago, AnK said:

It was bad timing I guess 

also maybe the architecture wasn’t too friendly on the devs like switch 

 

No one could have imagined PS360 games running on Vita in whatever form 

 

 

Yet Nintendo is not launching aaa first party games on the system. The speed has slowed down I guess. I wonder why. They should stop remastering wii u stuff and launch more new first party stuff on the switch 

[b!T]

6 minutes ago, radicaldude said:

 

 

The system is not dead. Games are still getting launched. 

 

The number has decreased a lot and not many noteworthy games releasing.

[b!T]

12 minutes ago, AnK said:

It was bad timing I guess 

also maybe the architecture wasn’t too friendly on the devs like switch 

 

No one could have imagined PS360 games running on Vita in whatever form 

 

Not sure about architecture. There are some amazing games on it. Maybe the popularity of 3DS also adversely affected it.

[radicaldude]

Just now, b!T said:

 

Not sure about architecture. There are some amazing games on it. Maybe the popularity of 3DS also adversely affected it.

 

 

That's the thing. Nintendo manages to fight powerful competitors (handhelds) successfully. 

[AnK]

Year to date sales chart by Vgchatz

(after the initial launch hype for next gen)

 

 

For ppl who don’t want to believe feel free to ignore 

if someone has info that contradicts feel free to share 

 

Not interested in petty name calling as if I stole your kin’s pajamas 

So please don’t 

[radicaldude]

Year to date sales chart by Vgchatz
(after the initial launch hype for next gen)
 

 
For ppl who don’t want to believe feel free to ignore 
if someone has info that contradicts feel free to share 
 
Not interested in petty name calling as if I stole your kin’s pajamas 
So please don’t 

Hardware sales without the tunnel vision.

[AnK]

f**k 2:1 ratio 

PS4 sold 2.5 times more than XBone in 2021  

 

No wonder Jim is making a U turn on believing in generations 

& so is Phil  

[b!T]

27 minutes ago, radicaldude said:

 

 

That's the thing. Nintendo manages to fight powerful competitors (handhelds) successfully. 

 

They are able to do that because of their awesome first party titles. They are able to provide not just a platform but games which take advantage of the said platform.

[radicaldude]

Just now, b!T said:

 

They are able to do that because of their awesome first party titles. They are able to provide not just a platform but games which take advantage of the said platform.

 

 

The speed of first party launches on switch has slowed down a bit. They need yo launch more games to compete with thr deck 

[b!T]

Just now, radicaldude said:

 

 

The speed of first party launches on switch has slowed down a bit. They need yo launch more games to compete with thr deck 

 

True. They need to stop with these remasters(even though I buy most of it ) and focus on new games.

[AnK]

Just now, b!T said:

 

They are able to do that because of their awesome first party titles. They are able to provide not just a platform but games which take advantage of the said platform.

Even Sony tried to do that with both PSP & Vita 

 

But it just didn’t reciprocate into third party love as it did in Nintendo’s case

 

It all comes down to ease of development at the end of the day it seems 

[psinide]

MS has changed their business model. They are not banking on the console hardware sales. For them 'Xbox Gaming' is an ecosystem. They are focused on increasing their GP/GPU subscription regardless of the underlying platform.

 

The 360 beat the PS3 in numbers because Sony tripped. Last gen would have been a fair playing field, but the xbox launch debacle hamstrung them and Sony ran away with it. This gen, both consoles are comparable, but Sony has entered into it with a massive advantage from the last gen.

 

MS know they can't beat Sony in the numbers game, hence the value proposition of the Gamepass (esp with 3 years stacking). With studio acquisitions, they are slowly trying to tip the 'exclusivity' scales. Having Bethesda, Oblivion etc churning out 1st party IPs and taking franchises like Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc out of the competitive platform will slowly chip away at the numbers (though it might not be enough to beat Sony). This, along with offering all their 1st Party games as Day 1 games is all geared towards increasing their install base. They don't care if you're on the XSX/XSS/Windows/xCloud. As long as you're in their ecosystem and subscribed to GP/GPU, they are happy.

 

In short, looking only at hardware sales is also a form of tunnel vision. Because MS is not really playing that game, they know they can't win it. At least not in the near future..

[b!T]

7 minutes ago, AnK said:

Even Sony tried to do that with both PSP & Vita 

 

 

PSP sold a respectable amount. Around 70-75M I believe. Vita didn't even reach a quarter of that. Maybe the difficulty in developing games + price + 3DS made it too hard to move the hardware.

[AnK]

2 minutes ago, psinide said:

The 360 beat the PS3 in numbers because Sony tripped.

Lot of ppl like to believe that but it’s not true 

PS3 took over 360 life to date sales by the end of that generation 

despite a full 1 year launch gap between the two 

[psinide]

1 minute ago, AnK said:

Lot of ppl like to believe that but it’s not true 

PS3 took over 360 life to date sales by the end of that generation 

despite a full 1 year launch gap between the two 

Most of the PS3 sales were towards the end of the lifecycle, you can apply the same logic to PS5/XSX/XSS, we don't know what's going to happen (unliklely MS will come on top in numbers, but the same could have been said about the PS3 - Sony's 1st party games boosted the sales towards the late and end stages of the gen life cycle) But the early and mid days, the 360 was way more popular, in spite of the RROD debacle.

 

But that was not the point I was trying to make. They want subscriptions and to achieve that, they will keep adding value to GP/GPU, making it more and more lucrative. Hopefully that makes Sony improve the PS+ and in the end the consumer wins. 

 

Personally I don't care who's beating whom as long as I'm getting good returns from my investments

[roun90]

For people comparing Vita and 3DS - it was stupidity and bad luck on Sony's part frankly. PSP sold a ton, but it was also one of the most modded and pirated consoles out there. To combat this piracy, and ensure original game sales - Sony released Vita with proprietary memory cards. They also stupidly made it expensive thinking "It's branded so we will earn more money out of it". This removed all the units that would have been sold to pirates, but at the same time also drove up the prices of Vita's storage and genuine sales also reduced there.

 

The stupidity on Sony's part came because of them giving up on the Vita. Vita was truly an awesome console. It had an OLED screen, and was able to do almost 720p resolution (960x544) while 3DS was stuck with 360p SD resolution. Sony killed it in 2 ways - 

 

1) They removed the OLED screen from the PS Vita version 2 onwards (citing some reason of battery life or something), which immediately made games look worse.

 

2) After the initial lot of Western Games, Sony essentially stopped all Western Games altogether on the Vita

 

The Vita still survived and thrived - carried only by the Japanese Devs and the fans who brought it and loved it (like me). It shows how strong and loved the Hardware was - that fans and 3rd party devs still loved it despite the console maker itself giving up on it. But it could never compete with 3DS at this point.

 

The 3DS was a huge flop initially, to the point people thought it will die early. But Nintendo turned it around -

 

1) They released the 3DS XL which made the screen more palatable (OG was small).

 

2) They made exclusivity deals with 3rd party devs for franchises that were major hits on the PSP. Games like Monster Hunter were originally the USPs and major hits of PSP. Nintendo brought them out - hence they became 3ds exclusives (and now Switch and PC exclusives despite MH World being a major hit on PS and Xbox Consoles)

 

3) They did not give up on the console unlike Sony. Despite their initial titles being a flop, they kept at it and soon were able to release their mega hit 1st party titles on the system

 

4) They allowed custom storage. They did not care about piracy and put customer comfort first. This was a huge PR point for them.

 

Overall, I love both handhelds. But it is a fact that Sony set up Vita to fail, while Nintendo did not. It's sad. Vita was not hard to develop for or anything. It was, and still is, an awesome piece of Hardware. Sony just gave up on it.

Edited July 17, 2021 by roun90

[AnK]

32 minutes ago, psinide said:

Most of the PS3 sales were towards the end of the lifecycle, you can apply the same logic to PS5/XSX/XSS, we don't know what's going to happen (unliklely MS will come on top in numbers, but the same could have been said about the PS3 - Sony's 1st party games boosted the sales towards the late and end stages of the gen life cycle) But the early and mid days, the 360 was way more popular, in spite of the RROD debacle.

 

But that was not the point I was trying to make. They want subscriptions and to achieve that, they will keep adding value to GP/GPU, making it more and more lucrative. Hopefully that makes Sony improve the PS+ and in the end the consumer wins. 

 

Personally I don't care who's beating whom as long as I'm getting good returns from my investments

Though I agree with you that no one knows what future holds 

& that’s why ppl mostly discuss what’s happened & what is happening instead of what is about to happen 

 

But still I felt it was only right to correct you on your statement of 360 did more numbers than PS3 

 

Also a large part of the fact had to do with PS2 

360 took a huge headstart on PS3 in terms of development & subsequent install base

But along with lack of appealing software one more big factor was the growing install base of PS2 while PS360 were already out & booming 

 

In the later years of that gen most of the players who were on PS2 were more inclined towards the PS3 rather than 360

& because 360 never had such a cushion in the form of original Xbox it started lagging behind interms of same ecosystem upgrade 

 

So the trend you see between PS4 & XBone a whopping 2.5 times more this year 

Is only going to reflect in the favour of PS5 years down the line  

[psinide]

1 minute ago, AnK said:

So the trend you see between PS4 & XBone a whopping 2.5 times more this year 

Is only going to reflect in the favour of PS5 years down the line  

Again, you're missing the point. The hardware sales do not matter to MS. They will very well by in the 2x/3x in favour of Sony. MS want you to get into their ecosystem, and their consoles are only some of the vehicles to enable that, not the only ones. Many of my friends are considering getting the XSS, just to take advantage of GPU, friends who have been Sony only people or 2-3 generations and already own the PS4/5. That itself shows that their business model is working, it might not be as successful yet, but that's the roadmap.