Sach4life Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, psinide said: Again, you're missing the point. The hardware sales do not matter to MS. They will very well by in the 2x/3x in favour of Sony. MS want you to get into their ecosystem, and their consoles are only some of the vehicles to enable that, not the only ones. Many of my friends are considering getting the XSS, just to take advantage of GPU, friends who have been Sony only people or 2-3 generations and already own the PS4/5. That itself shows that their business model is working, it might not be as successful yet, but that's the roadmap. Their hardware sales does matter to them. Its stupid to think they don't. Gamepass hardly sells on pcs, Xbox gold is not required on PCs. They pay 30% cut to steam for every sale made of their games. They don't get third party cut for sales made on pcs. The real revenue from even the subscription services is from console owners. More they sell hardware, higher the revenue from those services. Edited July 17, 2021 by Sach4life 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psinide Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sach4life said: Their hardware sales does matter to them. Its stupid to think they don't. Gamepass hardly sells on pcs, Xbox gold is not required on PCs. The real revenue from even the subscription services is from console owners. More they sell hardware, higher the revenue from those services. Consoles are typically sold at a loss in the early stages. They become profit making assets later down the line as chip manufacturing becomes more efficient etc. As for Gamepass on PC, their studio acquisitions and Day 1 GPU games are gearing towards increasing that install base. Soon they might add xCloud to GPU to increase the reach Edited July 17, 2021 by psinide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, psinide said: Again, you're missing the point. The hardware sales do not matter to MS. They will very well by in the 2x/3x in favour of Sony. MS want you to get into their ecosystem, and their consoles are only some of the vehicles to enable that, not the only ones. Many of my friends are considering getting the XSS, just to take advantage of GPU, friends who have been Sony only people or 2-3 generations and already own the PS4/5. That itself shows that their business model is working, it might not be as successful yet, but that's the roadmap. Steamdeck might hit hardware sales of xss due to its portability and ability to play gamepass. Most use the xss as a gamepass machine anyways. Look if hardware sales had 0 value to ms, they would have ditched it completely. Just like Sega did. And if Spencer is to be believed, they would keep developing consoles in the future as well. Ps- maybe after the launch of the deck, they'll explore handhelds. Deck has completely changed the dynamics suddenly. I won't be too surprised if it ends up outselling few home consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Again I said absolutely no one knows what future holds M$ strategy of market penetration of streaming via subscription business might work & it might not It all depends on the evolving tech at this point & for all we know hardwares could be as good as dead by the next generation Or streaming could fail to live up to the expectation Saying right now what M$ is experimenting with will be a sure shot success or a failure is anyone’s guess So them saying they don’t care about a certain aspect of the business doesn’t mean the business has changed already Edited July 17, 2021 by AnK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, psinide said: Consoles are typically sold at a loss in the early stages. They become profit making assets later down the line as chip manufacturing becomes more efficient etc. That doesn't matter and not the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomShade Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, AnK said: Even Sony tried to do that with both PSP & Vita But it just didn’t reciprocate into third party love as it did in Nintendo’s case It all comes down to ease of development at the end of the day it seems Vita first party support was garbage when compared to PSP. Vita also didn't have the third party exclusives that PSP used to get, games that were PSP only and were only later ported to say PS2/PS3 as a remaster because they got famous etc. Sony tried supporting it for the first 1-2 years, then forgot about and gave up on it altogether. Like how Nintendo did with Wii U. Except Ninty refined the Wii U concept in form of the Switch. What is Sony doing? porting exclusive games to PC, wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a PS6 after this, and they turn into SEGA type publisher because hardware is not profitable enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, radicaldude said: Steamdeck might hit hardware sales of xss due to its portability and ability to play gamepass. Most use the xss as a gamepass machine anyways. Look if hardware sales had 0 value to ms, they would have ditched it completely. Just like Sega did. And if Spencer is to be believed, they would keep developing consoles in the future as well. Ps- maybe after the launch of the deck, they'll explore handhelds. Deck has completely changed the dynamics suddenly. I won't be too surprised if it ends up outselling few home consoles. Deck is not going to sell even a quarter of what the three consoles would sell in a year. It is not going to br anywhere close to a game changer that you expect it to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, PhantomShade said: Vita first party support was garbage when compared to PSP. Vita also didn't have the third party exclusives that PSP used to get, games that were PSP only and were only later ported to say PS2/PS3 as a remaster because they got famous etc. Sony tried supporting it for the first 1-2 years, then forgot about and gave up on it altogether. Like how Nintendo did with Wii U. Except Ninty refined the Wii U concept in form of the Switch. What is Sony doing? porting exclusive games to PC, wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a PS6 after this, and they turn into SEGA type publisher because hardware is not profitable enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Just now, PhantomShade said: Vita first party support was garbage when compared to PSP. Vita also didn't have the third party exclusives that PSP used to get, games that were PSP only and were only later ported to say PS2/PS3 as a remaster because they got famous etc. Sony tried supporting it for the first 1-2 years, then forgot about and gave up on it altogether. Like how Nintendo did with Wii U. Except Ninty refined the Wii U concept in form of the Switch. What is Sony doing? porting exclusive games to PC, wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a PS6 after this, and they turn into SEGA type publisher because hardware is not profitable enough I think ps5 is the fastest selling console in the history of ps. They just need to back it up by putting epic exclusives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrIzAliD Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 vita died... the very instant when sony said it will only work with its proprietary SD card.. and you know how much sony charged for those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psinide Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, radicaldude said: Steamdeck might hit hardware sales of xss due to its portability and ability to play gamepass. Most use the xss as a gamepass machine anyways. Look if hardware sales had 0 value to ms, they would have ditched it completely. Just like Sega did. And if Spencer is to be believed, they would keep developing consoles in the future as well. Ps- maybe after the launch of the deck, they'll explore handhelds. Deck has completely changed the dynamics suddenly. I won't be too surprised if it ends up outselling few home consoles. I have my doubts if the Deck will be able to work with Windows tbh. Its supposed to work, but there will be some caveats and may affect performance. We'll have to wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomShade Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sach4life said: Deck is not going to sell even a quarter of what the three consoles would sell in a year. It is not going to br anywhere close to a game changer that you expect it to be Volvo sucks at hardware, they have a VR headset that is the only hw they made that is remotely sucessful. steamcontroller flopped, steam consoles flopped, you can guess how the deck will turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PhantomShade said: Volvo sucks at hardware, they have a VR headset that is the only hw they made that is remotely sucessful. steamcontroller flopped, steam consoles flopped, you can guess how the deck will turn up. It already has a huge library of games. Just need to nail the hardware. Edited July 17, 2021 by radicaldude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, psinide said: Ascent is looking great! I really hope it turns out well. Looking forward to Flight Sim, Hades & Back 4 Blood as well. After finishing Demon Souls, was looking for a decent co-op game, hope Ascent provides that! I am also looking forward to Back 4 Blood and Ascent. Feel free to join IVG group if you want to play co-op. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstationdude Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 I would buy it if the price is right here, tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psinide Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sach4life said: That doesn't matter and not the point Like I said, MS have other avenues to bring in subscription. It was clear that they didn't want to go head to head with Sony in terms of pure numbers. They introduced a more accessible console like the XSS to get more subscriptions. They want to get xCloud on Android/iOS devices which will be another avenue for them to increase subscriptions. Their end game is not hardware, its subscriptions. GPU might not be popular with PC users yet and MS will need to tweak their strategy there. But overall, they are trying to build an ecosystem with Xbox Gamepass which won't have only the consoles as the driving factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, radicaldude said: It already has a huge library of games. Just need to nail the hardware. Good system, but I can get a gtx1650 + 512gb nvme drive based laptop for 50k. I never game on my commutes so portable form factor is good to have but not necessary. Laptop's transportable nature is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: I am also looking forward to Back 4 Blood and Ascent. Feel free to join IVG group if you want to play co-op. . Edited July 17, 2021 by radicaldude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roun90 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, PhantomShade said: Vita first party support was garbage when compared to PSP. Vita also didn't have the third party exclusives that PSP used to get, games that were PSP only and were only later ported to say PS2/PS3 as a remaster because they got famous etc. Sony tried supporting it for the first 1-2 years, then forgot about and gave up on it altogether. Like how Nintendo did with Wii U. Except Ninty refined the Wii U concept in form of the Switch. What is Sony doing? porting exclusive games to PC, wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a PS6 after this, and they turn into SEGA type publisher because hardware is not profitable enough I agree with your post, but not with the last sentence. IMO, porting those games on PC is a brilliant move. All the PC ports of Sony games are essentially worthless to them. Horizon, Days Gone and all such stuff - they are literally being given away for free on PS, that too officially by Sony. No need to even hunt for 2nd hand copies But by porting it on PC - Sony is able to get s***rs to pay full price for antique games that are free to console players. Plus, they are giving a taste of what PS can offer to PC only players. They intentionally do not bring their entire library of old games to PC and keep it hanging whether a game will come to PC or not. This gets even more PC only guys to buy a PS. Give just a taste 2-3 times and get the people hooked. Overall, I would say it's a great move on Sony's part. Edited July 17, 2021 by roun90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radicaldude Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Just now, roun90 said: I agree with your post, but not with the last sentence. IMO, porting those games on PC is a brilliant move. All the PC ports of Sony games are essentially worthless to them. Horizon, Days Gone and all such stuff - they are literally being given away for free on PS, that too officially by Sony. No need to even hunt for 2nd hand copies But by porting it on PC - Sony is able to get suckers to pay full price for antique games that are free to console players. Plus, they are giving a taste of what PS can offer to PC only players. They intentionally do not bring their entire library of old games to PC and keep it hanging whether a game will come to PC or not. This gets even more PC only guys to buy a PS. Give just a taste 2-3 times and get the people hooked. Overall, I would say it's a great move on Sony's part. Or give the pc players first part of a franchise and launch the second on the ps5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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