triggr happy ss Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, WhiteWolf said: Ya that's why Kz and Resistance are dead franchises now. Oh Sony has habit of moving on huh? Then why we getting new God of War and GT game and why new Uncharted game is in development? Why? I know why, coz these franchises are hugely successful unlike Kz and Resistance. GG never going back to KZ as KZ3 was total flop and so as Resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 Lmao Yep GoW is the same game which it was previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 53 minutes ago, Mr. Comingle said: As per ponies, Sony works for the good of mankind and not for making money. They'll kill a franchise even if it's making money if it's not taking the medium forward. Reinventing>Start giving for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33tmaniac Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 8 hours ago, AnK said: I’m comparing their critical & commercial success,which was pretty comparable. Not their design lol,desperate much to change goalposts ??!??? Horizon Zero Dawn was in development since 2011. You didn’t expect something this unique & massive coming out within 3 years did you?!? But then again your mind can expect anything. Even “non japani games” coming out of “japani developers” HZD was a good game, but don't oversell it. It was nothing "unique" or mindblowing. The gameplay was fun and the story was decent, but the open-world and missions was extremely lackluster and couldn't hold a candle to BoTW that got released on a far inferior system. Keep praising Sony, nothing wrong in it. But don't sh*t on something without having played it or actually understanding how successful it was. FH3 sold 2.5 million copies in retail a few months after launch and Forza is a billion $ franchise for MS: https://www.engadget.com/2017-02-14-forza-is-a-billion-dollar-success-story-for-microsoft.html. I am sure that the execs in MS are at least as smart as you. They aren't blind fools to keep funding millions of $ to a franchise that barely sells anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, l33tmaniac said: HZD was a good game, but don't oversell it. It was nothing "unique" or mindblowing. The gameplay was fun and the story was decent, but the open-world and missions was extremely lackluster and couldn't hold a candle to BoTW that got released on a far inferior system. Keep praising Sony, nothing wrong in it. But don't sh*t on something without having played it or actually understanding how successful it was. FH3 sold 2.5 million copies in retail a few months after launch and Forza is a billion $ franchise for MS: https://www.engadget.com/2017-02-14-forza-is-a-billion-dollar-success-story-for-microsoft.html. I am sure that the execs in MS are at least as smart as you. They aren't blind fools to keep funding millions of $ to a franchise that barely sells anything. From the article you posted:- “When it comes to retail sales though, Forza still has some way to go in terms of surpassing Sony's racer. As of 2013, Gran Turismo's 10 entries had netted Sony over $4 billion in retail sales. With Sony's Driveclub failing to find the audience it hoped for, the Japanese giant will be hoping that the long-awaited release of Gran Turismo Sporthelps it take back the wheel later this year.” I didn’t label any game as “failure” (someone else has the audacity to do that) I just said that KillZone/Resistance made/shared similar commercial & critical success while at their peak. It’s just that Sony decided not to focus on them anymore as they thought they could do better elsewhere. Now with each new entrant into the discussion it’s going to be given a new spin. Edited December 23, 2021 by AnK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpigeon Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 Anything going against the Sony best narrative is “spin” and “misinformation” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 6 hours ago, WhiteWolf said: Ya that's why Kz and Resistance are dead franchises now. Oh Sony has habit of moving on huh? Then why we getting new God of War and GT game and why new Uncharted game is in development? Why? I know why, coz these franchises are hugely successful unlike Kz and Resistance. GG never going back to KZ as KZ3 was total flop and so as Resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33tmaniac Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 hours ago, AnK said: From the article you posted:- “When it comes to retail sales though, Forza still has some way to go in terms of surpassing Sony's racer. As of 2013, Gran Turismo's 10 entries had netted Sony over $4 billion in retail sales. With Sony's Driveclub failing to find the audience it hoped for, the Japanese giant will be hoping that the long-awaited release of Gran Turismo Sporthelps it take back the wheel later this year.” I didn’t label any game as “failure” (someone else has the audacity to do that) I just said that KillZone/Resistance made/shared similar commercial & critical success while at their peak. It’s just that Sony decided not to focus on them anymore as they thought they could do better elsewhere. Now with each new entrant into the discussion it’s going to be given a new spin. I never brought in GT to the discussion. Was merely stating that Forza is not a failure. Your statement that Killzone is as successful as Forza is highly debatable. The last entry in the series sold 2 million copies after 1.5 years into the market. sony probably didn’t see the franchise evolving much and decided to pull the plug. The hard truth is that Sony decided to not make any Resistance or Killzone games (as far as we know). We may not know the reason, but market trends/sales could be a reason. Still dont know why you can’t let someone simply state that Forza is a successful franchise without having to pull so much sh*t out of thin air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnackChap Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, l33tmaniac said: I never brought in GT to the discussion. Was merely stating that Forza is not a failure. Your statement that Killzone is as successful as Forza is highly debatable. The last entry in the series sold 2 million copies after 1.5 years into the market. 1.5 months & not year. The only time they gave official number for the game was when it sold 2.1 million with the PS4 install base being just over 4 million. Quote TOKYO, Jan. 29, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that the global sales of the PlayStation®4 (PS4™) exclusive title, KILLZONE™ SHADOW FALL, exceeded 2.1 million units*1 as of January 15, 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnK Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 Forza has churned out 13 games obviously you can’t compare it’s “billion dollar” status with something that peaked on PS3 only. KillZone & Resistance in their peak on PS3 were selling as much as Forza was “during the same time” & they were kind of equally matched critically too. The whole point was that Sony stopped focusing on them not because of their “failure” but because they felt they can do better in other genres & they were right. I don’t really need to oversell HorizonZD or Spider-Man coz they sold 15 & 20 m each. Similarly just because Sony asked Sucker Punch to make something new(or vice versa) doesn’t make Infamous a failed franchise. It’s just stupid to think that way & even more stupid is to enter the discussion & spin things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 Just accept it man. Sony making Resistance 2, Killzone 2 to grab online market is about as effective as Microsoft making Crackdown 3 to grab Sony first party market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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l33tmaniac Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, KnackChap said: 1.5 months & not year. The only time they gave official number for the game was when it sold 2.1 million with the PS4 install base being just over 4 million. Both of us are wrong. Check the wikipedia for more details. The game was a commercial success, selling almost 800,000 copies as of 25 December 2013. As of 2 March 2014 it has sold over 2.1 million copies. The game released in early November, which makes it roughly 2 million copies in around 4 months or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnackChap Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 7 hours ago, l33tmaniac said: Both of us are wrong. Check the wikipedia for more details. The game was a commercial success, selling almost 800,000 copies as of 25 December 2013. As of 2 March 2014 it has sold over 2.1 million copies. The game released in early November, which makes it roughly 2 million copies in around 4 months or so. I posted the official sony PR above where they sold 2.1 million units as of 15th Jan 2014 which is less than 2 months since PS4 launched in America, 1.5 months after euro launch (few countries) and was still to release in many countries worldwide. 2.1 million on a console base of 4 million with and attach ratio of over 50% sounds pretty good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsk_colossus Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Killzone shadow fall was sh*t.. Thank god Sony gave up on it and gave us HZD instead… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaibhavp Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Knack sold more than Super Mario 3d World on Wii U. What should we conclude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sach4life Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: Knack sold more than Super Mario 3d World on Wii U. What should we conclude? What BS. It didn't. Not even close.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l33tmaniac Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sach4life said: What BS. It didn't. Not even close.. Wont be surprised if we are talking only about the Wii U version Edited December 24, 2021 by l33tmaniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bird Bird Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: Knack sold more than Super Mario 3d World on Wii U. What should we conclude? That WiiU was a failure ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamos Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, Vaibhavp said: Knack sold more than Super Mario 3d World on Wii U. What should we conclude? Knack is a mastahpiece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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